The Foolish Need Education
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by olivermellors
The current policy, purposely losing bonuses, seems foolish to me. If it has any chance of success it must be a long term strategy.
Civil Anarchy writes:
Day 1,749, 08:44
Regaining economic bonuses is easy. We literally have to take 2 provinces from Canada, and 3 provinces from Mexico. Regaining Sovereignty is another matter entirely. PTO's destroy communities, decimate treasuries, and demolish countries. The people here now cannot be dealt with via diplomacy, nor can they be asked to leave. A PTO would hurt this country far more than 60/60 for a month. We've survived it before, and we can survive it again.
This seems greater foolishness. Of course it is child's play to take a few regions from Canada and Mexico. It is obvious that America will only go a few weeks or a month without its 100/100 bonus. It is obvious to you, to me, and to all the people who will NOT leave because it is so obvious. They can survive it as well as everyone else. The people here cannot be dealt with via foolishness. If you want to re-orient by invading canada why not just say so.
A true political takeover attempt by ONE agents is not going to be demoralized by a change in bonus: the 15 million dollar treasury is much more valuable. Neutralizing America's industrial capacity is much more attractive. Reducing US battlefield damage is much more appealing. The issue is whether there exists a credible threat that ONE agents can elect a majority of congress. That needs to be addressed clearly, concretely, quantitatively.
A different threat certainly exists. Friendly and honest players will disrupt a president's plans : it is the nature of politics and society. Complaining that some players don't have the true American spirit just masks the reality they have a different view. Resorting to concepts of sovereignty is as bad, in this context, as draping oneself in the flag. * pro forma reference to scoundrel cliche omitted*
Is there some sort of other threat? If so it needs to be explained clearly, concretely and quantitatively. I just don't see a threat (except by ONE agents, long term) to destroy the community, decimate the treasury, and demolish the country.
I am open to education. I think most Americans are. I don't like foolishness and want to avoid it.
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logic. pure and simple logic. thanks for the reality check.
what he said 😁
^ This. +1
Let me spell it out for you: IF YOU DO BECOME AN EDEN PUPPET STATE, WE WILL DESTROY YOU. It will not be 4tehlulz like the first two times, this time it will be 4realz, tee hee.
If the plan is hurt yourself and wait that you enemy do something idiotic.... you will fail for sure!
Completely agree with Olivermellors!
Okay... I feel I need to explain myself. If the nations formerly known as ONE perceive that the eUS is under EDEN control, and CTRL (a neutral alliance) is off of the table then the geopolitical situation will return to the previous boring bipolar model with only slight differences.
One difference will likely be that Brazil will be on our side.
The other difference will be that we will give up on trying to win you over and make it our mission to erase you until the EDENites leave.
I checked last 2k approved USA citizenship, they are collected true patriot damage for fighting for:
1. Turkey - 227 citizens
2. Serbia - 183 citizens
3. Romania - 170 citizens
4. France - 110 citizens
5. Greece - 93 citizens
6. Croatia - 89 citizens
Whole table + list:
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/kto-pr-oacute-buje-zrobi-pto-usa-edit-wi-cej-danych-lista--2113800/1/20
It's just USWP trying to alter the electorate.
JyM22 I don't think there was any need to explain yourself
Purposefully losing regions to protest an inside threat to the nation?
I think some from eCan tried that and we never regained our lost production bonuses nor removed the threat. Likely a very different situation...yet I do think that there is little control available to correct a general/mass trend (if there even is an immigration threat)
Looks like more screwing over of good things in this game...from a higher state of power to one of lower impotentia
rlip: thank you for information which is useful. I am not sure what to make of it though it is interesting that citizenships are being granted at the rate of about 500/month. At first blush it certainly does not appear to support the government's position that there is a problem with "edenites" voting contrary to US interests. Perhaps someone will do further analysis.
Plugson: i appreciate the inside joke 🙂. thank you.
Right on the money, now fight for what you believe, fight for the usa
Thanks for the reality check x2
Right on the money x2
v/s
I really dont see a reason to give away our bonuses! WTF is going on in eUSA??? Are we a PTOed nation? The politics since Evry is totally bullshit! We now have the Lolanders in Canada and nothing happens. This kid marionette-politicians can kiss my a** in between. Do they think the Lolanders will stop after conquering Canada? Take a look on the map: The Lolanders are coming over to the American continent. They give up their regions in France, keep their core regions and try to come over here.
I was asked to respond here, so forgive me for the slew of comments here 😉
Let's go through this point by point.
You say people will not leave because they know we'll get the bonuses back eventually. In this statement, you're not fully understanding who we're dealing with. The people that were brought in by the RLC were brought in via promises of economic bonuses, and that's really all that's keeping them here, and selling their votes/putting them towards candidates of their own demographic.
These are people that aren't in their home country, don't generally speak English, and don't really know what's going on with the government. They have no idea how long this will last, but they can be sure it will be at least one month, and if it shows any signs of immediate effects, the next President will likely continue the policy. The first people to leave will be the two clickers, and the people who have no idea what is going on in the government, which is a large percentage.
You then move on to mention a true PTO attempt by ONE. Note, ONE does not exist anymore. The PTO threat came from American leaders using foreign citizens to attempt to supplement their influence in the eUS. They brought those people there for bonuses, and only asked for party membership and a vote in exchange. This was an American led PTO, not Serbian. You can see this because when the RLC died, all of these people began selling their votes instead, because they were relieved of their duty.
You next mention that people simply have a different view of America. I agree, they have the view that as long as we have bonuses, fuck everything else. I challenge you to ask any WTP member who had access to their shouts during Congressional elections to tell you those people care about the country. Face it, the majority of people allowed here for bonuses don't work in the US, fight primarily for their home country, and sell their vote because they don't care about the USA anyway.
It's fine to have a different view than me, or my party, or any other American. However, it is not okay to call yourself American, and actively lobby for a foreign interest. This isn't rah rah MURIKA, it's a simple fact of national loyalty. We were sloppy with CS approvals, and it's costing us. And if you want to hate me for getting the RLC approvals, the rogues, and the sloppy former allies out of the country, so be it.
CA, the fact of the matter is that you lack any sort of intelligence if you think this plan of yours is going to work as intended. If you put as much effort into coming up with an actual worthwhile plan rather than trying to defend your idiotic one, you might have come up with something relatively effective.
I've always wondered why people outside of the US in real life had such hatred towards Americans. Every time you open your mouth I get a better understanding of exactly why they do. You are not above everyone else. You do not decide what is right or wrong. You don't speak for everyone. You are no more important than anyone else playing this game. And in case you didn't notice, you came in 2nd in the election. 2nd is just first loser, don't let an impeachment get in your head.
You had enough time to call me an idiot and say my plan was bad CFovetS, maybe you could drop the Ad Hominems and actually put forth a worthwhile argument.
"Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both."
- Ben Franklin
Thanks for costing us both Civil Anarchy
Simply donate the $15 mil in the Treasury to me. I promise I'll take thuper duper good care of it!
lol 😁
Voted for pure logic!
Civil Anarchy
Know you ahat saed?
Deliberately you will not tell fact about the divisions of American citizens, who provoked by politicians like you, a decision that with the enemies of the U.S. enters into an alliance. Thus part of U.S. citizens who are opposed to such U.S. foreign policy, called the allies citizen with a U.S. CS to help in preventing the implementation of such policies.
So in situation when the U.S. had be only one region and have one bonus, allied citizen with U.S. CS would not leave the U.S.. Allied citizens with U.S. CS are not twoklickers , because these players have a MU, and those alone are very active in the game. Losing bonus, U.S. does not solve anything, except that decreases economic and military power USA.