The Fall of eNL
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by Kravenn
Note : I know that I will receive a lot of insults in the comments, from old citizens of eNL, To be honnest : I really don’t care about that, but It will be a proof that they are unable to see where their own faults
Music to listen : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoBFhdeR9PE
I read that it was the end of eNL after the current results of the elections, that the country was at the agony, … Sad thing but it was predictable. Let’s return in the past and look after the faults which results of the current situation.
1- My arrival in the game
When I joined Erepublik in may 2009, There was a Union between Belgium and Netherlands. The Union was made between the 2 countries because Belgium was under the risk of a take over from Spain. I arrived just after the beginning of the union, I never know a Independent Belgium.
We were a small community of French speaking in UNL. Probably the only ones who have French as their first language. We asked to have English as Official language because it is a Universal language and everybody is able to understand it.
We (French speaking people), were all in a party (Belgian Party) which was regrouped mainly Belgian people, and we asked about equality between every citizen in the union. If there is a union, each citizen have the same rights, it was impossible to have a dominant class and a submissive one.
Our 1st big thing was when we were 4th party and we won elections with 17 seats. Yes, we used strategy and we won. It was impossible to ignore Belgians because we had near 50% of the seats in the congress. We negociate with most important NL political parties, we joined a coalition and we had not requested the prime minister seat due our lack of experience.
2-The first quarrels
Some times later, First problems arrived and the coalition collapses, Our requests were simple : Equality because it is the only way to have a real union at middle and long term. But for some parties, it is hard to accept that, especially for a conservative one who lead the country since some months. Well, Belgians are considered like Ptoers (but we were citizens of this union, we were not citizens from sri-lanka, we were citizens from one of the two countries which built the union). A kind of apartheid arrived : “Belgians : Ok but as long as the y close their mounth”. It was the main idea of the main conservative NL party and Belgians has changed their small privileges. But this party was sure to know everything, and was sure that they are the chosen people.
Except the main left-wing party who show us some respect, Belgians (who were near 50% of citizens of the union) are considered like a shit and must be considered like that. It is near impossible to built something with that kind of climate
3- Resistance Wars
A day of October 2009, a resistance war was launched by a Romanian, UNL loses Flanders and a Belgium only composed by Flanders appears on the map. This Belgium was leaded by a Romanian paramilitary group and was more a Eden puppet state than a real country. Sometimes later, Eden tried to “liberate” Brussels and Wallonia. Brussels RW was lost and only Wallonia stay in the Union.
The relations between the 2 communities were awful. The apartheid that the conservative coalition made was still in place. It was near impossible to have correct relations between Belgians and Right-wing NL Parties. Belgians still believe in Equality, Right-wing NL parties don’t want that.
I think that UNL died on that day, the day of we lose Brussels RW, but nobody (at that time) knew that.
4- Conservatives return to the power
End of November 2009 : Conservative parties won elections. Belgians have only a region were it was easy to elect people. It was very hard to win. The conservative coalition published a program composed by 5 WORDS!!! . Transparency disappears on that day.
Belgians are between 2 seats : There is a Belgium on the map but this Belgium has no legitimacy for us (Because there is a martial law decided by Romanians) and a (U)NL who don’t want Belgians
5- A new Union ?
Few days later, New project on the table. This project come from UK : A big merge between UK and UNL. UK is not against the project, like Belgians. But huge problem : Nationalists Dutch see in that big merge a lose of their “identity” (understand they have no chance to lead the new country). It is impossible for them and they refused the project.
During that time, I see no future in this situation, I left UNL to UK. I received a good welcome, Uk citizens are very good and I find fun there. For UNL citizens, I am considered as an “Economical traitor to the glorious fatherland of UNL”
6- New Belgium
Uk decided to send back to Romania this paramilitary group. Unfortunately, UK will lose these 2 regions during January 2010 when Eden invaded Western Europe (Germany, France were out of the map). Wallonia will be under polish control and some hours later became Spanish. Some people (from Eastern Europe) launched a RW in Flanders and Brussels and Belgium was back on the map. Sometimes later, Wallonia was liberated because this region has no interest for Spain.
On a technical point, UNL is dead, there is a divorce but the relations between the 2 countries are bad. At the place to split all in 2, Netherlands thinks that Belgium is under a PTO, and the Hard-line Nationalist Dutch president will say “we give nothing to Belgium, they made nothing in the Union and they will never do something for the Union”. Dutch Nationalist conservative will purge every Belgian citizen of their forum
7- Bad management of e(U)NL
Finances were not in a good situation, it will be worse now. Especially with some mister “I know everything” who manage the country in a total opacity. E(U)NL is some prestiges, a long agony will begin
Country makes loses, the stabilisation of the Monetary Market costs a lot for near nothing. Money is spend in huge quantity.
Time is lost is stupid things : Belgium don’t want again a Union, e(U)NL will take 2 months to decide “the Union collapses” . e(U)NL will take 5 months to change officially their name, and it was possible to resolve the problem in 15 days.
8- On these days
The “choosen one” people left the country (because money is gone), Belgians people are now in Belgium, France or UK.
Nationalism takes a huge place in eNL, Dutch must be the official language. Well, that is simple : You understand Dutch or you leave the country. People who are not from RL Netherlands have no choice : They are forced to leave the country.
Unlike other countries like France or Italy ,they talk in their first language. It is normal, they have never make a Union with another country who don’t speak the same language. But eNL makes discrimination against a part of their citizens.
Some people think that the return to Dutch language is a chance to create a Babyboom more easily. But the return to Dutch language has a consequence: People left the country.
It’s look like that eNL is attached to a citizen who thinks that he can make a babyboom, like a drunkard attached to a street light.
9- Conclusion
UNL was not a huge country in Peace, but UNL was respected to have good diplomats, good fighters and a good Q5 hospital company. Today : All of these things belongs to the past. eNL economy is active like someone in the coma, bad management, lack of respect from Nationalists and conservatives people are not a help. You take long time to build something good but it takes not a long time to destroy all. A year ago, there was some respect for this small country. Now it is like The Frog who Aspired to Become as Big as the Ox. Lithuania, Estonia and Portugal are bigger than eNL and I am sure that they are able to have a better management than eNL.
This wall of text to say : Some people are sure that they are the “chosen people”, but these people lead the country to ruins and bankruptcy and keep their noob behaviour. If they have some humility, they will say “Yes, we failed, we give you (to a new generation of citizens), the management of the country” This new generation must learn fast and find foreign trusted people to help to rebuilt the country on a better basis. Is it too late ? Maybe Yes, maybe Not, I am unable to answer.
Music to listen : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoBFhdeR9PE
I read that it was the end of eNL after the current results of the elections, that the country was at the agony, … Sad thing but it was predictable. Let’s return in the past and look after the faults which results of the current situation.
1- My arrival in the game
When I joined Erepublik in may 2009, There was a Union between Belgium and Netherlands. The Union was made between the 2 countries because Belgium was under the risk of a take over from Spain. I arrived just after the beginning of the union, I never know a Independent Belgium.
We were a small community of French speaking in UNL. Probably the only ones who have French as their first language. We asked to have English as Official language because it is a Universal language and everybody is able to understand it.
We (French speaking people), were all in a party (Belgian Party) which was regrouped mainly Belgian people, and we asked about equality between every citizen in the union. If there is a union, each citizen have the same rights, it was impossible to have a dominant class and a submissive one.
Our 1st big thing was when we were 4th party and we won elections with 17 seats. Yes, we used strategy and we won. It was impossible to ignore Belgians because we had near 50% of the seats in the congress. We negociate with most important NL political parties, we joined a coalition and we had not requested the prime minister seat due our lack of experience.
2-The first quarrels
Some times later, First problems arrived and the coalition collapses, Our requests were simple : Equality because it is the only way to have a real union at middle and long term. But for some parties, it is hard to accept that, especially for a conservative one who lead the country since some months. Well, Belgians are considered like Ptoers (but we were citizens of this union, we were not citizens from sri-lanka, we were citizens from one of the two countries which built the union). A kind of apartheid arrived : “Belgians : Ok but as long as the y close their mounth”. It was the main idea of the main conservative NL party and Belgians has changed their small privileges. But this party was sure to know everything, and was sure that they are the chosen people.
Except the main left-wing party who show us some respect, Belgians (who were near 50% of citizens of the union) are considered like a shit and must be considered like that. It is near impossible to built something with that kind of climate
3- Resistance Wars
A day of October 2009, a resistance war was launched by a Romanian, UNL loses Flanders and a Belgium only composed by Flanders appears on the map. This Belgium was leaded by a Romanian paramilitary group and was more a Eden puppet state than a real country. Sometimes later, Eden tried to “liberate” Brussels and Wallonia. Brussels RW was lost and only Wallonia stay in the Union.
The relations between the 2 communities were awful. The apartheid that the conservative coalition made was still in place. It was near impossible to have correct relations between Belgians and Right-wing NL Parties. Belgians still believe in Equality, Right-wing NL parties don’t want that.
I think that UNL died on that day, the day of we lose Brussels RW, but nobody (at that time) knew that.
4- Conservatives return to the power
End of November 2009 : Conservative parties won elections. Belgians have only a region were it was easy to elect people. It was very hard to win. The conservative coalition published a program composed by 5 WORDS!!! . Transparency disappears on that day.
Belgians are between 2 seats : There is a Belgium on the map but this Belgium has no legitimacy for us (Because there is a martial law decided by Romanians) and a (U)NL who don’t want Belgians
5- A new Union ?
Few days later, New project on the table. This project come from UK : A big merge between UK and UNL. UK is not against the project, like Belgians. But huge problem : Nationalists Dutch see in that big merge a lose of their “identity” (understand they have no chance to lead the new country). It is impossible for them and they refused the project.
During that time, I see no future in this situation, I left UNL to UK. I received a good welcome, Uk citizens are very good and I find fun there. For UNL citizens, I am considered as an “Economical traitor to the glorious fatherland of UNL”
6- New Belgium
Uk decided to send back to Romania this paramilitary group. Unfortunately, UK will lose these 2 regions during January 2010 when Eden invaded Western Europe (Germany, France were out of the map). Wallonia will be under polish control and some hours later became Spanish. Some people (from Eastern Europe) launched a RW in Flanders and Brussels and Belgium was back on the map. Sometimes later, Wallonia was liberated because this region has no interest for Spain.
On a technical point, UNL is dead, there is a divorce but the relations between the 2 countries are bad. At the place to split all in 2, Netherlands thinks that Belgium is under a PTO, and the Hard-line Nationalist Dutch president will say “we give nothing to Belgium, they made nothing in the Union and they will never do something for the Union”. Dutch Nationalist conservative will purge every Belgian citizen of their forum
7- Bad management of e(U)NL
Finances were not in a good situation, it will be worse now. Especially with some mister “I know everything” who manage the country in a total opacity. E(U)NL is some prestiges, a long agony will begin
Country makes loses, the stabilisation of the Monetary Market costs a lot for near nothing. Money is spend in huge quantity.
Time is lost is stupid things : Belgium don’t want again a Union, e(U)NL will take 2 months to decide “the Union collapses” . e(U)NL will take 5 months to change officially their name, and it was possible to resolve the problem in 15 days.
8- On these days
The “choosen one” people left the country (because money is gone), Belgians people are now in Belgium, France or UK.
Nationalism takes a huge place in eNL, Dutch must be the official language. Well, that is simple : You understand Dutch or you leave the country. People who are not from RL Netherlands have no choice : They are forced to leave the country.
Unlike other countries like France or Italy ,they talk in their first language. It is normal, they have never make a Union with another country who don’t speak the same language. But eNL makes discrimination against a part of their citizens.
Some people think that the return to Dutch language is a chance to create a Babyboom more easily. But the return to Dutch language has a consequence: People left the country.
It’s look like that eNL is attached to a citizen who thinks that he can make a babyboom, like a drunkard attached to a street light.
9- Conclusion
UNL was not a huge country in Peace, but UNL was respected to have good diplomats, good fighters and a good Q5 hospital company. Today : All of these things belongs to the past. eNL economy is active like someone in the coma, bad management, lack of respect from Nationalists and conservatives people are not a help. You take long time to build something good but it takes not a long time to destroy all. A year ago, there was some respect for this small country. Now it is like The Frog who Aspired to Become as Big as the Ox. Lithuania, Estonia and Portugal are bigger than eNL and I am sure that they are able to have a better management than eNL.
This wall of text to say : Some people are sure that they are the “chosen people”, but these people lead the country to ruins and bankruptcy and keep their noob behaviour. If they have some humility, they will say “Yes, we failed, we give you (to a new generation of citizens), the management of the country” This new generation must learn fast and find foreign trusted people to help to rebuilt the country on a better basis. Is it too late ? Maybe Yes, maybe Not, I am unable to answer.
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Voted, though you are clearly speaking with a colored view 🙂
Interesting read.
Voted.
Very interesting and troubling at the same time.
Voted as well.
Blabla this is kravenn with some biased blabla, it is better to be conservatist than to be a lazy belgian that does NOTHING when in a government.
>Especially with some mister “I know everything” who manage the country in a total opacity.
I do know everything. You are just very, very jealous.
sounds really awfull
voted aswell
hmmm, can't quite agree with everything you said, but the basics are about right. despite my own leftist leanings, this wasn't really a "right-wingers-acting-like-assholes" thing. I saw a lot of Lowlanders (both eNLs and eBEs) working to make it work. And it may have if the entire nation (not just the rightwingers) had the will to make it so. They didn't, and the UNL lost its creative spark and sense of inclusiveness.
Is it doomed? nah. and I suppose if eBE were exactly where it needed to be, all the eBE citizens would be back home working to make it better.
voted anyway, cause it speaks one version of the truth.
I never wanted or asked to join a gov during the time that I was in eNL. Your memory has some problems.
There were people that tried to make the union work and people that were trying to break it from both countries. There were enough Belgians also that opposed to anything that Dutch people started to discussed. There are true things in the article for sure, but you shouldn't look at it from one side that much.
This is more like propaganda then a real story. You are clearly telling ONLY your side and perception of the story. For example:
When LSD and BP left power and I&W took over the financial situation was so bad we were nearly broke. Under the guidance of honderdjaar/antiko we became and still are one of the richest nations in Erepublik.
Kind of sad.
MHUHAHAHHAHAH!!!
I have respect for you Kravern! but sorry this is just bullshit 😛
Last congressional elections: Total votes: 78 Presence: 15.63%
This must be a thriving nation, one of the the richest nations in Erepublik. You only need one vote to be elected (and some experience).
You loose all after we gone.
It's not "bullshit", it's the true.
We have say it will happen, and explain why a long while ago.
It's time to assume your faillure!
Yes Niemand Belgium had 72 so you really have the right to point that out. Oh and your 500 gold in your state treasury is the same amount we have outstanding as debt with PHX. So our 2000g we have in cash doesnt even come around.
We are so jealous of you guys because you are doing so much beter.
Lolw, Belgium is doing much better! (sarcasm off)
Article written by jealousy...
I was referring to your multi'ing party (coalition) actually, all of them. None of them did anything.
And yeah you never got asked, how strange..
I must agree with you UNL is dead. So you are talking about a country from the past. in my view the moment eBelgium wasn't part of the union anymore the union and so UNL didn't exist anymore.
On the low turnour in eNL, this happens everywhere bcs of the bad erepublik environment created by admins. Belgium itself also suffers from this. This is not really an argument for use, to describe how "dead" a nation is at the moment.
At the point about Dutch language, yes we made Dutch the official language again, although at the same time, English is an official language too. We are a bilingual nation right now. Not something you can say of eBelgium. To say it in your own words are "discriminating" Dutch speaking people by only accept english as main language. I am not very much impressed by the arguments you give on this.
However, what happened to your dear belgium? Became that country the good neighbour of eNL? No, in fact foreign forces are taking your eCountry hostage. eBelgium created an trade embargo on eNL. I advice you to work on that, and make Belgium a better eNation, instead of whining about a past country (UNL).
With this article you project your own anger about UNL on a new nation eNetherlands. We are no union anymore, and i see this article just as an propaganda piece trying to cover up own failures of yourself and alongside eBelgium.
This article show that Dutch hyppocrits nationalist have broke their own country.
The Majority of People (the alliance of LSD and BP) was the fisrt support of the eUNL and the Union. Nobody here say that eBelgium had right to stay alone.
But compare Belgium with Netherlands mane NOT eNL working better.
And the cause of the crash of e(U)NL stay : dutch hyppocrits nationalism.
@Mitch : Probably that your personnal account is rich, but you lose something like 300 golds per month, If you were a huge country, I can "understand", you can't be proud of your management.
78 votes and half of your congressmembers were elected with their own vote : What an active nation.
I have respect for Belgium because they begin with nothing several months ago. You live in the past, dreaming of a empire, ... but you can accept the facts and trust your lies (and it is very dangerous)
~Shakerr : eBe put an embargo because your last CP (the guy who loves drink alcohol) proposed a War and make Death threats against RL Belgian citizens. I know that there is no Union, but if some of old NL citizens are unable to see their faults, You can't be surprised that you go to Bankruptcy.
@others : there is no jealousy, I am not jealous of a country who currently on the way to die.
Interesting article
>eBe put an embargo because your last CP (the guy who loves drink alcohol) proposed a War and make Death threats against RL Belgian citizens. I know that there is no Union, but if some of old NL citizens are unable to see their faults, You can't be surprised that you go to Bankruptcy.
eBE is pto'd by americans and you are too afraid to go back there. Once things go bad you are the first rat to leave the ship. And lol at faults, you are the biggest fault on belgian soil.
I don't think that Theneka is american. To be honnest : I left because Hardcore nationalists like you created an apartheid. You treated foreigners like a submissive class.
Now, you are near to have a "homogenic community" but you pay the price, People like you digusted near 50% of citizens of UNL, they digusted foreigners when your country returned to dutch as official language. You digusted some RL Dutch.
And of course, if a citizen return to eNL (he must be silly to do that) : your country consider him as Traitor.
One thing that I see in almost all of your message (and you are probably proud of that) : Xenophobia
less words, more action
We loose 300 gold a month?? You have to learn how to do your math Kravenn. We dont even get close to 300 gold. We have had 1680 gold since i was MoF which was 2 months ago. We might be losing 40 gold a month tops but that is due to the economic climate and the fact that we have so many state companies.
@Kravenn: Theneka is a good and well known guy we all know. But it's a bit unclear for us who's surrounding him. We are already closely following this. Perhaps there should be more diplomatic contacts between the two countries.
But again i see that you have eUK nationality and not eBelgium. I concider you as someone who's shouting from the sideline instead of taking responsibility yourself.
also Your claim that eNL would treat foreign english speaking people different than others is just ridiculious and stands far away from the truth. eNL is a bilingual eCountry with respect for everyone and we welcome everyone.
I am in a country that I like where people are pleasant.
I have a lot of respect to Belgium : They begin with nothing, and try to do their best to built a small but pleasant country.
You made Communications in only dutch, You lose some citizens, don't think that they will return soon. It is too late to correct your faults
You can cry all you want but
this is NOT how it went.
@Kravenn: We did not make communications in only Dutch. eNL is bilingual now, Dutch and English as official languages. Your argument here fails.
You have respect for eBelgium, but you decided not to help out, and actually do something in that country yourself. Shouting from the sideline is easy.
get yourself better informe😛 "Lithuania, Estonia and Portugal are bigger than eNL and I am sure that they are able to have a better management than eNL."
All I have to say is that Kravenn is a pretty cool guy nowadays, and that he is entitled to his own opinion.
Interesting to read back the history of e(U)NL, voted.
I think everybody should shut up about this matter and clear the table and start over
I think the ambassadors of both countries will have to work to make Belgium and the Netherlands better friends
It has no point to attack each other in the press
Colored article, but it shows in big lnies how it went somewhat
Some people keep looking at the past, so if they are involved then cooperation won't work. I really don't like it that the same shit happens over and over between our countries.
+1 kix!
pff.. seriously, the belgians were the boss during the union :/ ?
All biggest problems that we have right now at eNL are started when V2 arrived. Not only the economy collapse but also the war module was bad. (I hope that thats gonna be better with the new one)
The wars are a lot of fun for many people and for some people the main reason to play, thats why a lot of people quit the game.
But hey... is that not problem that plays all over the world.
No cooperation with eNL. Never.
eNl leaders can't be trusted.
Finaly found the time to read this \o/
@Kravenn: You siriously wrote so bullshit about eNL. I remember the time you were PP of BP, I respected you at that time. But you must really hate eNL to write something like this.
To start with the management thing. According to you eNL is not well managed. Actually I spoke to a hungarian a few weeks ago, he was amazed by our management like the Security Council for Immigrants. That shows eNL how well organized eNL is in the eWorld.
As for the fact we changed our name after 5 months. You say we could have done it much faster. But have you considered the fact that we might wanted to keep the name. We liked it, it showed our international level. That's why we decided to keep it, eUNL had lots of international people.
My respect of you has really taken a dramatic fall
"I think everybody should shut up about this matter and clear the table and start over. I think the ambassadors of both countries will have to work to make Belgium and the Netherlands better friends" (from Glenn Wauters)
I must agree with you.
In eUNL, eDutch and eBelgian people made a lot of good things together, because we help each others. For sure, all was not perfect, but we all tried to work hard to do great things.
Let's try to improve our relationship again and to get better cooperation between our nations. All isn't lost yet...
Voted.
I agree with those advocating increased co-operation between our small nations.
The fact that mistakes were made (on both sides) in the past should not be allowed to pollite present and future relations.
Cooperation will still work if we ignore the people who only want to troll and be negative. All countries in erepublik have citizens that only having fun attacking people.
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Good article except that you continually insisted they are conservative. What does that change?