The Economist ~ Turkiye-Serbia: it’s not too late
Spite313
Dear friends,
A week ago more or less I wrote an article on the (then) upcoming vote on Kosovo. I said at the time that we should vote for Kosovo as a region of Serbia to deny the admins the income generated from racial hatred between Serbs and Albanians. After a lengthy and poorly organised vote, it looks like we might have succeeded in our aim.
However the admins had their revenge- once again they decided to spit on their own promise of a new world by introducing a list of votes by country. Why did they do this? To split allies apart, to make enemies of friends. No other reason- Serbia is the strongest country in the game (although Poland is catching them!) and the key in the ONE alliance. They are the soldiers, the muscle and often the brains of the outfit. And with them against the Turks, the Spanish “problem” pales in comparison.
That wasn’t the only casualty though. EDEN will be suffering problems too as tension between Croatia and their allies Romania and Greece form. Let me ask you, what is the point of this?
not good bros, not good
It is natural when presented with an issue like Kosovo that people will vote along RL beliefs. Most of us live in countries where we get spammed 24/7 with news about things like Kosovo. I could tell you straight away that Turkish people would be more likely to vote for Kosovo IRL, so why are we surprised that they vote here? If you did a poll of rl citizens on the RL issue, it would almost certainly reflect the ingame poll. This is because most citizens are not involved in alliance politics, and when they vote they just react, they don’t do it with thought they just do it the way they have been programmed to by their country leaders IRL. Romania voted for Kosovo as Serbia because IRL they strongly believe it. It won’t stop their leaders ingame trying to wipe you.
Look at the UK and the USA. Both of our countries were part of the NATO task force, and both our countries citizens have been heavily indoctrinated towards the view that Kosovo should be independent. Effectively, we were forced to go to war over the issue IRL. So I am more surprised that 52% of Brits voted for Kosovo as Serbia. Surprised and pleased of course- we did not make a big contribution toward the vote but at least our citizens cancelled each other out: same with Sweden, Poland and Spain. All of us except Spain (who has breakaway groups of its own) have been told IRL to support Kosovo, and all of us had to struggle to keep our voters voting for ingame reasons against national propaganda IRL.
Now the situation for Turkiye is even more difficult IRL. As people have said many times in the last week, Turkiye and Serbia are enemies IRL. Maybe not officially now, but since the first Turkish horsemen crossed the straights of Mamara, there has been conflict between Serbs and Turks. In addition, the Albanians have very good relations IRL with Turkiye. They are the same religion, share cultural similarities and are both members of NATO and over five million ethnic Albanians living in Turkiye itself. I am only saying this because outside of the Balkan region, most people are not aware of these connections.
So when the vote came out, we expected it to turn out this way. But the thing is, Turkiye has had these challenges to its loyalty in the past. When Bosnia was added, many people thought it would cause a rift. But the Turkish leadership said “this is a game” and Turkiye and Serbia remained allies and even brothers despite the RL differences. It was a great example of how ingame leaders can do what RL leaders can’t do, and put aside differences and generations of hate to make friends based on mutual cooperation and goodwill.
And the time for that is not yet past. Members of both countries have laid into each other, and insulted each other. It was obviously upsetting for Serbia to see their allies voting against them- that was just what the admins wanted. The UK hasn’t got the spirit Serbia has in the game, and I guess if there was a vote for example over the Falkland isles, we would lose and they would become part of Argentina. I guess in that situation many people around the world would vote for Argentina, and it would again be an example of admins trying to break us apart. But the difference is, Serbia won this battle. Now is the time to be magnanimous in victory.
EDEN and Terra are fighting hard to get Turkiye into their bloc, with the small problem that two of their members quite want to wipe them. The truth is that EDEN and Terra want Turkiye because of her power on the battlefield. That is the wrong reason to join an alliance. I remember when Phoenix was founded, Turkey was one of the founding members. It was Turkish representatives - Onrche and Burakkocamis- who demanded that the alliance not be founded on who was strongest or whatever, but on mutual brotherhood. For their vision, they were selected to lead. And that spirit is true now more than ever. Don’t judge a country by the admins manipulation- judge it by their loyalty in the game. When has Turkiye ever failed to be there for Serbia? When has Serbia ever let Turkiye down?
In the poll, only 52% of Brits voted for Serbia. When has Britain ever let Serbia down? When the battle for LK came, who was the first to offer gold? Who was the first to sacrifice themselves to protect Serbia? We are allies and brothers, and the percentage doesn’t reflect that.
Let’s not give into the admins. They already add countries to create racial and religious tensions. Let’s not build alliances based on that too. Serbia and Turkiye - the path to reconciliation won’t be an easy one, but the first step is acknowledging that you do have RL differences and that we shouldn’t take those differences into the game. Both sides have made the situation worse, and it will take both sides to take a step back out of each other’s faces to make it work. But I sincerely hope you do, because I have friends in both countries, and it is hard enough fighting against the friends I have already lost to the other side.
Iain
Ps. This is also interesting: An Orthodox Alliance is an illusion
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http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/1883557
Serbia-Turkiye: It's not too late!
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HAIL ONE!
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i just read the title, wont read the rest. if the article is about the title, than the answer is yes, it is too late.
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hmmm, i think this went too far...
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I think the exact same way that you think. Turks voted what they really think IRL for a IRL matter.
And btw, It's not Falklands. It's Malvinas 😛
I really don't care about Falklands, but it is a similar issue and nobody should bring that RL shit into the game
Loser side > turk side.
That's the point. I got sick of all those "INCI is not Turkey", peace deals with Greece and Bulgaria, lollipoping, proArgentina & proTERRA allignment, blackmailing, selfishness, etc.
"In the poll, only 52% of Brits voted for Serbia. When has Britain ever let Serbia down? When the battle for LK came, who was the first to offer gold? Who was the first to sacrifice themselves to protect Serbia? We are allies and brothers, and the percentage doesn’t reflect that."
mmm eRussia?)
just correction, EDEn and Terra arent fighting hard to get turkey with them. ONE is fighting hard to kick Turkey out of it, it was already said to turkey that they will never be able to join ONE, so why u keep licking them? to keep them as puppets.
FREE TURKEY \o/
Calm down dears
I think anyone who thinks Turkiye is the puppet of anyone is brain damaged
to both parties( serbia and turkey)
there are lots of peoples in game, who bring rl stuff... but being a senior member or government offical, i dont know how you can stop anyone to vote any side...
bosnia has purpose mpp with turkey, while yesterday serbs were prasing romanians for their voting, and their every article was THANKS for romania....
so now i dont know what the F... ONE is doing??? and why their media is so silent to cover those issues in their offical media news papers???
That being said it was very low for Turkish MoFA to say we are to proud nation to vote for Kosovo as region of Serbia but yet again they judge why Serbians say Free Kurdistan.... They had not a single in game reason why to not vote for Kosovo as region of Serbia and they didn't where their only reasoning behind that was their RL beliefs.
You think that Serbs would be mad if something like 60% of Turks voted for independent Kosovo? I really doubt because that would be more of split opinion.....
Also that Bosnian matter, at least more recent ones.... They in fact fought for RWs in Bosnia way before PedjaT was fighting against Turkey but Serbian government said nothing about that where they requested apology from Serbian government for PedjaT fighting against them.... This was not a INCI group but regular Turkish group.
I didn't said that Serbia is better than Turkey but Turkey is really showing negative thoughts towards Serbia trough they government papers. Those can't be some trolling articles but official stance of Turkey. Why should Serbia stay quiet then?
O_o http://www.erepublik.com/en/Turkey/law/85833
War between Turkey and Bulgaria (or Greece) will solve every question regarding Turkey.
Hail Macedonia!
Hail UK!
Hail Serbia!
Hail turkish brothers!
An alliance based on brotherhood and friendship alone? I don't think such a thing ever existed, and it certainly doenst in an alliance where the biggest enations are the core. Like in every alliance, strength is always a factor - and you can't deny that for an alliance that still has 6 members and may twice as many affliated nations who just won't get in.
I think anyone who thinks none can notice that ONE just try to use Turkey as puppet since they dont allow Turkish-Braters in is brain damage or think everyone has problems like people he is used to deal with.
Swedish oinc-oinc air is affecting ur Dioist brain (if u r still one) i guess
btw:
"I really don't care about Falklands"
wut bout Gilbratar?
im not sure if i find it either funny or insulting that the admins expect us to believe that with 50k votes cast, there was a differance on less than 1%
Last time I checked, Turkey was twice its normal size and acting rather independantly. Puppet ist a strange word for that.
Kosovo is Serbia
"Don’t judge a country by the admins manipulation- judge it by their loyalty in the game."
What do we have to think about the UK ? = )
Free Malvinas!!!!!
i don't care about their votes, i knew that they will vote that way. i was surprised by their constant comments, trolling and propaganda in which they called for people to vote for other option. they should have stayed quiet. because of that i will never fight for turkey again
Serbs ,Do you remember you fought against Iran 3 4 months ago ? pls pls for ,stop talking about alliance ,you suck at it ,you are the country who just care about yourself !
and turkey the same ,they refused the mpp with Iran ,and now they're signing with Bosnia !
I mean God ,both countries are so selfish ,better to let them fight ,and see them going down ,maybe they learn about friendship !
GIBRALTAR ESPAÑOL!!!11!!!1
"When has Serbia ever let Turkiye down?"
You are kidding, right? Did you leave the game during Jan 2011 - Mar 2011?
Even if don't change a point of your article, you make a mistake in few things that you said...Albanians are not connected only by religion (actually that is not at all the point-there are Albanians with Catholic, Orthodox and Muslim religion), the point (in RL) is (what connected them) that they have the same political goals in Balkan (this is a game, so I don't want to bother you whit that stuff).
Any way, you are right about admins (what was their plans), but after all, you still can't say it's their fault. As ExZilYon already explain to you...till now we have Turkey government that act against eSerbia, also their parliament member (see law act) and also individual persons...but we (very big majority of eSerbians) defend eTurks saying that all this are just minorities and that this is not opinion of eTurkish people...but after voting (even if we now their action of RL government) we see that majority of people is not consider eSerbia as ally. If Turkey was voting 50% or maybe even 60% in favoit to independet Kosovo and Metohija, thing would be difarent. (no one bleimd UK and other allays that have around 50%, it understandble because RL...but what Turky did is too much, expecially all together in last mounths). btw: this was not only poll about Kosovo and Metohija, this was poll about are eSerbia will going to sat in game or not (because belive me, if relost was oposit, very big majority would left the game)
So...YES, it is too late (our president is trying to cool down the situation, but that will not give results).
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A must read article, respect o7
Loser side > turkey side.
Fail article
"We are allies and brothers, and the percentage doesn’t reflect that."
Yes it does!People who are "brothers" support them.If my brother has problems,i'll help with any cost.
Alliances are made because of common interests,the rest are BS
As Lord Chamberlain said "there is no eternal friendships,but eternal interests"
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