The Economist ~ Dastardly Banking Launch
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Dear friends,
For a long time now the UK Ministry of Finance (MoF) has used public organisations (orgs) to manage private money to bring additional revenue to the country. In some cases these have been rented out to individuals, in others the government has handled the transactions themselves and has paid out money to investors that way. The outgoing MoF Emergy was quite against the idea of private money on public orgs, but the concept was undeniably a wealth-generator for the UK state (and it’s investors) so no CP was willing to stop it. Now Emergy has left, and most investors withdrew their money due to a lack of certainty about the incoming MoF.
Now Butjam has been appointed as Minister of Finance, and has taken control of the UK’s public orgs. He will be managing those orgs on the money market to sell UK currency and gold to profit the UK state. However I firmly believe that there should be a private finance initiative in the UK to house investors money. I spoke to several members of the incoming government prior to the election, and I am proud to say we have come to the same conclusion.
So from today I can announce the formation of Dastardly Banking, a branch of Dastardly Corporation. The company will exist to house investment from private individuals and circulate them on the money market for profit. MWC the current CP has agreed to loan us twenty orgs for this purpose. 25% of profits will go to the government, as now. 70% will go to investors, and 5% to the company as an administration cost.
The company will be selling shares in 10k cc amounts. So to buy in, you need a minimum of 10,000 currency, which can either be raised alone or by a group who then appoint someone to be the “owner” of the share. For example, if “Royal Navy MU” wanted to invest on behalf of their members, that is fine with me, so long as I have a nominee who I can report to and donate funds to. In addition this investment will not be cumulative. To keep things clean I will be effectively paying a 100% dividend - the profits will not sit on the orgs, they’ll be paid out at the end of each month. Your share will not change value - at least in face value.
I have offered existing investors the chance to carry over their investments, rounded to the nearest ten thousand. Some have agreed to do so already. The initial public offering will be for 50 shares of 10,000 currency, limited to 5 shares per purchase and will begin immediately. To purchase into the company, simply message me to let me know who you are, the number of shares you wish to purchase and who your representative is (if it’s not yourself) to receive reports. The second round of investments will begin on Saturday at 10:00 erep time, and will be on a first come first served basis to fill the remainder of the orgs.
I’ll just reiterate that there will be no fixed profits or returns on this, it’s determined by the vagaries of the market. The maximum profit per cycle is currently about 9.5%, and the maximum number of full cycles per month is about 2.5 when you consider the initial startup. Of course this won’t be the case after the first month. Real terms profit never approaches the theoretical maximum though, and I’d be pleased with a 8-10% profit across all orgs for the month. One of the reasons I have made 10k cc the minimum investment is that any less than that really isn’t worth it.
My last point here echoes the one one above: the money market is not personally profitable without enormous sums of money. Small amounts can nearly always make a better profit (long term) in the form of companies. For example, your 10k cc in iron companies could make you 1500cc a month every month forever with almost no effort. It’s unlikely 10k cc will bring in more than 800cc on the mm, so unless you already have everything (or are a corporate body like a MU) it’s not worth it. I’m just saying this to hopefully stave off the legions of tiny investors who like the idea of MM trading.
Please read the article a second time before commenting. I don’t have time to repeat myself for someone’s poor reading skills/tl;dr.
This scheme is currently open to UK citizens or those closely associated with the UK but abroad for reasons benefiting the UK (such as ambassadorial, MU supply and so forth).
This scheme is currently open only to people I trust
Thank you for your time.
Iain
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if you are trading actively (not just passive offering currency for gold) then you need enough money to buy up offers from other dealers - and most deal with multiple 100 to 1000gold... it's really a shame that the MM is now high volume market.
they are just passively offering currency for gold
well yeah the 'we got 20orgs' gave it away. but passive dealing is low profit - only ~10cc for every 200cc invested/10days if you are lucky (=1cc for every gold per day)... active dealing brings much more profit.
how exactly does one actively deal?
One doesn't, you can arbitrage deal by buying when th market is low and selling when it is high but double buy dealing was always low yield and high risk. Ie. Stupid
Well the MM moves multiple times a day for 1cc and more meaning you can buy gold at 208 and sell it again for 209 (=1cc profit per gold) not just once but multiple times. if you are lucky you can get the profit you would have from passive dealing in just one deal of active dealing (aka some minutes of lurking on the market). there is no magic or higher risk involved than you have by just holding onto your money (it can lose its worth if MM moves too). i got an org for 2 month were i dealed until i had at least 1000cc profit for every day i dealed*. everyone who thinks 1cc profit per day for each gold he invests in passive dealing is good is just doing it wrong in my eyes or doesn't know what he is talking about**.
regards
oldfaggamer who started his career here with monetarymarket dealing
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*it were the month 2087 to 2116 and 2118 to 2174 with 31600cc in 28days and 22800cc in 17days respectively
** dealing actively you probably wont be able to change much more than 500g-1000g multiple times a day. so passive dealing with everything above 600g would be ok
you also shouldn't forget that with passive dealing you usually do not get to sell all the currency you offer on market so with 200000cc (=1000g) and a gap of 10 (1g:210cc VS 1cc:0.005g) you have 1000cc profit per day too but only if all your currency is bought (=200k cc) which is ... unlikely
I deal somewhere in the range of thirty thousand gold a month. And you can't really pull the rich oldfag card on me. I used to forex trade, but active trading in the mm is risky and stupid, you could just as easily invest all your money at 208 and it drops to 207 and stays there for a week, in which case you can't trade at all until the price rises.
"but double buy dealing was always low yield "
well unlike in the old days where you were a big investor with 50gold nowadays you deal with 500gold and more*. the profit per gold is low but the volumes you get to sell and buy is much higher
someone told me that the usual profit from one org with passive dealing is like 2000-3000cc/month because you will most likely not get to sell more money even if you fill the org with 100of 1000ds of currency. and that was just so ridiculous low in comparison to the profit i made in the same time that i at first thought he was making a joke.
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*with 500g you will fell the limits because other orgs will be able t block you and outbuy(?) you very easily
"you could just as easily invest all your money at 208 and it drops to 207"
well if you have bought gold with all your currency at 208 and MM drops down to 207 you then just have to bear with it and get some currency at 207cc... its only like 100cc loss per 100g you change (=thats nothing). with the currency you then can trade and get the money back in just some minutes. of course you will have some losses and wins. to just stay and wait is something nobody would do.
best thing is when market is at the border to a higher number like now 209.9cc
many people then just post 100ds of gold at 1g:209 which gives you nearly 1cc profit for every gold you trade
btw if you do not trade and just let all your gold be then the MM drops down from 1g=210cc to 1g=207cc you also lose the worth of your gold it's nothing that only comes with active trading...
with all the special offers you have to be carefull. when the MM was at 218 and no offers i just ended the day and had all my money in currency. so if on the next day a offer came and MM gone down to 210 i wouldn't lose my moneys worth. and when the MM was down at 1g:205cc i ended the days always with my money in gold because the MM would probably only go up again and not down. that wy you even profit from the big movements made by plato-offers
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the "oldfaggamer who started his career here with monetarymarket dealing" wasn't to show someone here some "rich oldfag card" but only to state that i am not new on the MM but also earned my food/weapons/training and companyinvestmentmoney on the MM in the old times when there were multiple currencies (currency - currency trades made highes profit then because people can't calculate) and without the 10g limit on my citizen.
but the MM nowadays is a bit different - dominated by plato-offers and orgs with much money (1000ds of gold) who are able to move the MM by 10cc (at least they done so in cooperation in the frst month i traded). and dealing is now not in 10gold or 50gold but 100gold and 500gold trades
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and yes sometimes you have huge "losses"
in my first month i had a profit of
~144gold and could make 31600cc profit out of my money
in my 2nd month i had (in less time!)
~171g more gold than i started with
however i only could get 22800cc in the end for it because the MM was quite low at the time i had to clear the org and trade all my gold back to currency
but that's still good profit
You wrote a lot of text, but my point still stands, and I am still right.
you on the other hand wrote not much only that you are right. your argument that when you buy gold or currency and then it loses its worth is not really an argument because that happens to people who don't deal but only hold on to their stuff too.
you say it is low profit:
because of the high volume, quick and multiple deals it has easily more profit than passive dealing (except for very high amounts of invested money higher than 1000gold)
you say it is high risk:
well where is the difference between a person who only holds on to his gold and a dealer who deals with his gold
the holder will lose if gold loses its worth
the dealer will be able to compensate the loss with profits or he will even be able to prevent the loss by trading the gold to currency before stuff happens
if you start with 500g & trade at the moment 100g of that to currency at 209.9cc and buy the 100g back at 209 posted later you then have your 500g you started with back AND 90cc profit . if you repeat this and always trade as quick as possible back you will have low risk and always keep the 500g you had at the beginning but with every deal your profit in currency will get bigger (same the other way around if you start with currency)
nobody says to buy gold today with everything you have and try to sell it the day after tomorrow with profit. instead you daytrade with the small changes while uploading the page every other minute when you have time (or every 30minutes, hour) + if you want to be save always get back to where you started (here trade back currency so you hold 500 units of gold) before you logout.
multiple orgs dealing active on MM every month don't seem to lose money. i dealed in a timeframe over 2month* where the MM gone from 219 to below 195cc per gold and didn't lose money.
people who don't know how to deal on MM - they lose money.
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*and all the time before the 10g limit on citizens
This is a commendable idea, if it works I'd like to try it elsewhere. Credit to you.
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D-ea-r Fr- e...? Sorry Iain could repeat that for me 🙁
Horice 😒
I'll invest the minimum of £10k to see how it goes :3
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dear dapper,
stop using google translate!
The Government have no plans at present to continue with private investment.So when i receive funds back from Butjam,the Royal Navy would like to invest 80k if possible.
Can I invest?
I assume the investment can be withdrawn at the end of any 10 day cycle if required?
Very odd. The gov has enough funds to invest in all the orgs it has but has opted to give away 75% of any potential profit on 20 of them to private investors.
As this is your idea how about knocking up a few figures that explain just how the country will be better off with this scheme? I can’t see how this makes financial sense, except for the guy getting 5%.
Would also like to know
i assume this is on top of the country money and the 25% that the government gets is from private investments,
the money the MoF normally invests would be kept separate and profits from that portion removed before private profits are divided up
at least this is what i'd assume... not that i worded it well
well actually we don't have the cash to fill all our orgs and this gives 25% which is what we earn on other investments so is a fair deal to me
Just in BoE and the country account you have 1.4m cc + 4k gold. That's 2.2m cc - enough to fill 44 orgs with 50k. By emergys sheet there's 46 orgs...
Could someone from gov provide some figures as to how this benefits the country?
I've assisted the MoF the last couple of months. There are 67 orgs and the UK can fill maybe twenty.
Minus the gov and MU ones leaves 46 according to emergys sheet... Come on you two, show us, broad general statements without sums is meaningless.
righty 67 total orgs
5 are unsafe to put money in
10 are in use by MUs
8 are in use by ministers giving
44 orgs left over
we have 999 gold and £459,648 in the bank of england this is made from £300,000 eUK money and 999 eUK gold and the rest of the money is investments from 4 people/MU listed on the last MoF statement
we have 946k in the country account of which we can withdraw 846k (to leave some for MPPs) with the cash from this we can fill 26 orgs
(with the gold we could technically fill 4 more but i would like to keep a gold float in case training ground loans pop up
so we do have 18 orgs free
we currently earn 25% on private investments and lain is giving the same and only letting eUKers invest for 20 orgs (i'm hoping to rearrange the minsitry orgs so we can trade out of 2 of them i'm sure we could trade out of BoE anyway so just 1 more needed,, CP org i could probably trade)
Now the 3k gold in the country accounts- gold cannot be put back into the country accounts so should we ever need some in there, there will be problems if we have none boh removed 1300 gold in his term so i think that's enough for now
i assure you Rory i have done the maths and we can spare the orgs.
also i realize a lot of money is in safety nets but if we don't have one and a problem arises that would be a disaster.
I used to use the BoE to list on so that is fine. CP Org should be used too.
This is all effectively a gamble. You can fill the orgs as the Gov is you sell all of our gold. The admins want gold in country accounts for a reason, who knows what that is. Emergy asked directly and they will not let us get gold back in once withdrawn.
Just read BoH took some gold out. Is there an article anywhere saying why / what we did with it?
we just added it to the pile carlini m8 the term was.... costly
i might buy a share and see how it goes it seems a no loss benefit on the money i have sat around
inb4 a story like that
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/-rf-jo-grand-thief-plato-en-fr--2308110/1/20
I have access to the UK and Chinese treasury and half a million currency of polish money. I've always had access. I don't steal. I'm famous for it. So please don't cast aspersions on my character.
ouch, at current prices thats what ~23000g and 80 days ago that isn't ever coming back, no wonder the french don't exist on the map,
admittedly i'd want to know who had access to my money before investing but yea nothing is completely safe
"So please don't cast aspersions on my character. "
well i didn't do anything like that (if i would it would be a direct accusation with your name in the sentence).
however i guess that you are not the only one with access to the orgs and if anyone with access steals money (again: it has not to be you) stuff like that can happen. can also happen by people who had access before when coutries don't change the password every month/when personell changes
well the french have like 200orgs and are borrowing them* to people at 15gold/month. however they also pay their overlord poland to at least get 1region**. but i guess it does not bring enough money to compensate the lack of regions/boni (=taxmoney)
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*don't know how many
**don't know if they still do
it will take a while to save up that kind of money again though...
Who the hell are you and why are you talking so much on an eUK article.
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1 my name is shown next to my avatar
2 from time to time i read all articles in the finance part of the papers worldwide to learn new stuff. so i ask people for their opinion on stuff that is new to me or write about my experience. here the experience from me and other people involved in active dealing on MM differs very much from the (mere?) opinion Iain Keers has on this matter - so i thought i missed something and i wrote a bit more. however it looks like his arguments against active dealing are not based on actual experience with dealing on MM but his theory / opinion...
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