The Death of our Community
Joe DaSmoe
eRepublik is a game that many of us enjoy. No matter how many changes to the game the admin seem to randomly implement, those of us who are avid players of the game stick it out. We bitch and moan, complain for weeks, then simply continue to play. We persevere and stay as a community of eCitizens. Why? The vast majority of us will simply state, "its the people here who keep me playing"
The social aspect of the game is the reason we never really leave.
Except now, we are killing that aspect.
There was a time in eRepublik when new players and new ideas were encouraged and welcomed. Over time, perhaps due to our own bitterness about being addicted to such a foolishly unpredictably changing game, we as a community have become sour. Myself included. I have tried to quit many times and lost my temper many more than that. Yet I remain. I have a few old friends who keep me coming back, as well as an interest in the evolution of the game. It has become far to common and is fact simply the way things go now, for established players to continually shout down new ideas and new players. The community labels them as "two-clickers", ridicules them for being ill informed, or outright trolls them into walking away from the game. And those are the people who even managed to stick around long enough to even bother to comment on an article or gain enough of a spark of interest or curiosity to try and get involved. Imagine what people who log in and read an article for the first time think. No wonder many, hell most, of them never log in again. They see people calling each other "fgts" and posting pics of chicks. Not exactly appealing to a broad spectrum of people.
We spend so much of of time complaining about the admins of this game that we have forgotten the core ideal of the very game we bitch about. eRepublik relies almost solely on the social aspect to keep it going and growing. As the game evolves and changes, many of us feel defeated and have simply stopped caring about a community that WE have developed. It is not the goal of the eRepublik admin to grow the social ingredient of this game, it is OUR goal. The game simply provides the framework for our eSoceity. We are the ones who must grow it.
With that in mind, I have recently begun to try and recruit citizens to the game. I have never had success with it in the past, but I figured I would give it a shot and I have spent the last week or so spamming my referral link all over the place. The result? Not very good. I have managed to get 13 total people to join and all 13 logged in once and never came back. Only one of them responded to my in game message. His response? "I have no idea what to do" I linked him to guides and tried to explain things, no response.
This is a very common occurrence and it represents the basic problem with retention. eRepublik looks SO boring when you first find it. The only thing we can do to help this as a community is focus our efforts on the media module. We have the ability (for the time being) to org vote selected articles to the top slot of the media so at least something interesting and helpful is staring each new citizen in the face the moment they log in. The very first moments a new player log in are crucial to retention and the less confused and more welcomed the new players feels in the beginning is key to our growth as a virtual society.
Articles such as this well written new citizen guide authored by the Department of Education's Blank Keating need to be in the top media spot every single day. Even if it has to be reprinted over and over. Players such as Blank should be rewarded by our government for articles such as this, by allowing him to publish these guides in his personal paper, then paying to org vote it. I get the idea behind doing our tutorials from the DoE org, but the author gains nothing personally by publishing through an org paper. We would be far better served to vote on a weekly "best guide" and and have it sitting in the top slot everyday. We all know how difficult it can be to get the media mogul medal honest, and the competition for the pre selected number one spot for new citizen guides could and should produce better and better guides for our newborns as players compete amongst each other for the spot in hopes of getting the ever elusive media mogul medal. Plus, why not give Congress something constructive to do.
We also have to stop rigging congressional elections. Its a shame that basically every election is essentially decided before it even takes place. Basically, you have little to no chance of getting into Congress unless you are part of these social circles that exist outside of the actual eRepublik game interface. I get that, its the way things are. We just need to approach it differently.
POLITICAL PARTIES MUST ACTUALLY STAND FOR SOMETHING. They have to differ on policy issues, they must have clear agendas and messages. As it is now, they all basically represent the same thing, a little social circle who confers with other little social circles and agree on who to elect where. NO ONE STANDS FOR ANYTHING AS A PARTY. Many will argue that our politics must be handled this way in order to protect us from political take over attempts, and they are right, but we have taken this stuff way to far. If we can retain more people that problem takes care of itself by simply voting for those who not trying to pto us. Problem is we can barely get enough people to actually care enough to vote in the first place. My god, it has gotten so bad that I have actually seen people basically pre-selecting out Presidents.
This stuff has to stop. We have to welcome people, not exclude them. We have to have political parties that stand for things, we have to have domestic debate and should welcome it, not shout it down as idiocy. eRepublik is a game that revolves heavily on strength in numbers. We just keep beating the same old tired ideas over peoples head and wonder why no one sticks around. Lets make eRepublik a true virtual society, full of differing opinions. We will be better off in the end if we do.
End of rant, we need to focus on growing the social aspect, not force it to conform to one voice.
Joe DaSmoe
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Comments
We need a new approach, because what we are doing is failing us.
I could be 1st 🙁
I didn't reed ity yet, but I already agree xd
We need changes!
Ok, done...
I still agree 😛
Your truly Polish Troll.
Looks like the shout and scream and do nothing (besides buy org votes) show is back in the USA.
/me grabs some popcorn and clicks the mute button
Its not easy to tell a newbie what to do in this game when you haven't figured it out yourself. It's like being on Facebook with the goal to win it - how do you do that?
dude you are so rite
It's articles like this that make me love you even more, Joe.
Some good stuff. I'm glad someone is trying to sayy/do something different.
keep trolling Croy, you still suck at it.
Allow me to fill you all in on a little bit of the History between myself and Croy.
When the Libs started back up, I joined and wanted to help out. I filled out their job app, no response. I pm'd Iasov on IRC asking what he needed me to do, no response. I pm'd him in game a ton of times, no response. I founded ALARM, the Lib militia, then had no support. I leave, Croy starts to help with it, I assume, and makes it a militia. I even had a weapons company and food company at the time for the commune. NO ONE listened to me.
Decemeber 2010. I approach Croy about being my VP in a PoTUS run. He is enthusiastic and says he would love to run with me. I say cool and inform him that I will release my campaign announcement on Monday, as I had friends in town that particular weekend. What's he do? Announces his intent to run while I away.
He will backstab anyone if he thinks it will put him in a power position. Just ask Claire.
Keep on preaching that I do nothing Croy. You don't do anything unless its beneficial to you in someway, i.e. being the "leader" of the role playing revolution thing we all did in order to try and make yourself famous enough to win PoTUS. As for me, I do what I always do, VOICE MY OPINION and help people who ask me to help. You and Iasov didn't even reach out to me when I tried to help.
enjoy your popcorn.
You're probably right.
Good article, Joe. +1
>Blame the atmosphere of the community for retention problems
>Admit people quit this game in their first days before ever being exposed to the community because the game itself is boring at first
>Say Congresionals are rigged when all it takes to win is getting on the ballot and having a small group of friends be willing to vote for you, in many cases about 5 of them. No one has to be in special "social circles" to win.
>Say parties should be based on ideology rather than mechanics and mentoring
Yea, same old same old. It's not trolling if it's true.
The national forum has had more posts per day over the last month and a half than it has since before V2. I'd say the community is pretty strong and getting stronger.
Complaining about the spirit of the community is pretty rich coming from someone who likes to play populist in top 5 articles and rant about taxes without any basis in game mechanics, furthering the divide between 2-clickers and the active community.
>I founded ALARM
You wrote an article about a fake militia that didn't exist. After you ragequit off to Canada we made a real militia and used the name.
>He will backstab anyone if he thinks it will put him in a power position. Just ask Claire.
I decided to run because you are unstable and hadn't been active on a daily basis for a while. Also, feel free to ask Claire what she thinks about me ^-^
>enjoy your popcorn
Oh, I am. Always delicious to watch you raise hell and ragequit the country every few weeks.
I love how you like to state that my wishes for lower taxes have no basis in game mechanics when the mechanics dictate that lower taxes = MORE MONEY IN THE HANDS OF OUR CITIZENS.
Also I don't play populist, I state my opinions, it just happens that alot of people agree with me. If that makes me a populist then so be it.
Yes I am saying saying that political parties need to be based on ideology. This game is billed as a political simulation, yet people go out there way to stop it from being so then wonder why no one wants to play.
Please explain how me stating that we need to stop shi**ing on noobs is furthering the divide, because in my opinion calling people idiots sure doesnt make them wanna stay around here.
I also love how you have no response on me trying to help with the party and being ignored, oh thats right I don't chill in your little circle.
Glad you enjoy my hellraising at least someone tries to make stuff interesting around here.
>the mechanics dictate that lower taxes = MORE MONEY IN THE HANDS OF OUR CITIZENS
That isn't game mechanics, it's just over simplfied math.
Didn't you leave the eUS to use those delicious low Canadian taxes?
>Yes I am saying saying that political parties need to be based on ideology.
So make one or run for PP then make an ideologically based party. Somehow when you said "ideology" all I hear is "a party that pushes for lower taxes because we say lower taxes no matter what because that is our ideology."
Talk is cheap, Joe. Good thing you have deep pockets.
LOL @ over simplfied math
Id call it common sense.
But meh, w/e I'll argue with you later, I gotta go to work, that way I can keep my pockets deep. lol bbl.
Here you go Croy,
talking and ranting and ranting when the IDEA HERE IS ANSWERING QUESTIONS LIKE THE ABOVE FROM THE GUY WHO NEEDS HELP. You guys are realllly for the little guy, aren't you.
idiots.
Galuigi, if you buy 5 weapons and 8 tickets and go to that same button you will get +15 strength and two experience points so long as you have trained a straight five days in a row, which it seems you have.
I'm a new player. Just made Guru at 61 days old. The only reason I know what to do is because I'm being "mentored" by the person who dragged me into this game. The reason why new players, including me, don't know what to do is because of what you call the "metagame" -- none of which is well documented. SamWystan made it very clear in his article "So Long and Thanks for all the Fish".
Otherwise, I agree about Political Parties needing a philosophy or ideology to be based on. That way they can support each other in trying to get specific things done. I'm a real life Libertarian and I am amazed at how un-Libertarian the Libertarian Senators in Congress are.
Before Congressional elections, I can just visualize all the Party Presidents on IRC somewhere splitting up the eUSA, figuring out the easy states and the hard states to win and making sure that the powers that be run in the easy states while the new players who dare to want to be in Congress are given the states where they run against the entrenched.
Your visualization is exactly what takes place Christopher. Its called the FEC.
Joe, you are incorrect. The FEC does NOT get involved in any sort of gerrymandering. The FEC is design to ensure that we have candidates or blockers in each region to prevent PTO candidates from getting into congress. If a PTO candidate does slip by the initial screening and gets on the ballot, then we will bring attention to that race and direct people to vote for the leading alternate candidate.
If any negotiating between parties to determine who shall run where occurs, it is completely separate from the activities of the FEC.
'The FEC does NOT get involved in any sort of gerrymandering. The FEC is design to ensure that we have candidates or blockers in each region to prevent PTO candidates from getting into congress. If a PTO candidate does slip by the initial screening and gets on the ballot, then we will bring attention to that race and direct people to vote for the leading alternate candidate.'
You are FN hilarious Rod. You state the the FEC doesn't get involved in 'gerrymandering' and then turn right around and state that your sole purpose is to select candidates and blockers to fill all regions. How is that NOT getting involved?
enlightening....
btw, just curious, if i go to usa and live there...
walk to irc
say hi to people
try to get some friends
is it okay for you guys?
or i got welcomed as enemy...?
just curious...
thx
Great article Joe. There once was a day that the team community things were much better.
That memory has become a frequent reminder for some of us, when we see the internal divisions on display. The battle ground has become the comment sections of new and older player media articles. That is an unfortunate development with social community evolution. It has worked to promote separation and works to defeat unity of purpose. It is product of game mechanics theory, taken to the extreme.
I'm glad to see you still writing, Joe. You're right in many ways. Our community has stagnated, and the common player doesn't really have the ability to get involved. That said, that's how its always been. I mean, when I joined eRepublik god knows how long ago, I had to take the initiative to contact you. Now, after I had done so, you wet out of your way to help me, and I am grateful for every moment in this game that you allowed me to have because of it.
Unfortunately, this game does not lend itself well to society. The Admins have made it as hard as possible to connect with your community.
You all need to eat more chicken! BBQ'd, fried, deep fried, fajita'd, etc.
There are plenty of ways to get it done... Just do it.
EAT MORE CHICKEN!
"I'm a new player. Just made Guru at 61 days old."
Chris, in my humble opinion, if you're older than 5 days you're
no longer a new player.
Big vote. One of the most distressing things about the status of the game is the, IMHO, prevalence of negativity and feuding.
In fact, I rank this as the #2 problem, eclipsed only by the rampant cheating.
W-O-R-D!!!!!!!
This is the EXACT thing that I stand against. EXACTLY. I call it the elitist mentality and it is something that is poison to the country.
v/c/s
Oh my goodness. Looks like you hit a tender spot, eh Joe?
Amazing how angry people get when you tell them an ugly truth about themselves.
I agree. I'm new and aside from the fact that the game keeps newbies from doing anything at all for the first week or two, the community seems to have a certain "Cult of Personality" and then... everyone else.
"I agree. I'm new and aside from the fact that the game keeps newbies from doing anything at all for the first week or two, the community seems to have a certain "Cult of Personality" and then... everyone else."
Yep, you're exactly right. The reason for this is that we have older players who have gained the respect of the community and know what they're doing, but that does make it very tough for newer players to come in.
I would like to point out that everyone is welcome on the forums nowadays, and we do have a generally active and helpful moderation staff: www.eusaforums.com
For those of you who need a little data with your helping of humble pie...
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/active-citizens-of-the-eworld1-1630483/1/20
The eUS has the smallest percentage of citizens who vote of any country in eRepublik at 11.6%...
Yet another awesome article being shouted down by the elites who are ruining this country.
Hey Joe. Don't be discouraged. This is exactly the response needed to actually see who these ingrates are. Thank you for exposing our weak underbelly (i.e. Croy, and many other to weak to show their faces here) and making our populace realize that they can be eradicated.
\o/
'I would like to point out that everyone is welcome on the forums nowadays, and we do have a generally active and helpful moderation staff: www.eusaforums.com'
I encourage everyone to go on over to the USA Forums where the 'elite' are in the process of trying to save a player who got caught cheating and are blaming a player they do not like for turning him in to Admin. Then in this thread they not only advocate cheating they admit they cheat to better themselves.
SamWystan was Right.
Thank you Joe... For coming back and writing like the expert journalist I knew you were. You were mad when you left and have cooled off. I know how it is, I get the same way. (A limit to the BS, am I right?)
I am somewhat disappointed in CRoy. He doesn't have to be a troll to get his point across. To quote his first post, "Looks like the shout and scream and do nothing (besides buy org votes) show is back in the USA. ...", end quote.
@CRoy, I like you. I don't always agree with your actions, but I like you. Please, step back and reread all of this. Joe is not raging, he is writing in a calm and reasonable fashion, to express his point. If you disagree with his point, explain why. Don't let playground antics make you look small and petty. I respect you more than that.
Well stated dillpikl.
CHS is pointing to the evidence to back up his words.
Too much time among the Little Rascals can bring on what we see coming out of Croy these days. Its a "birds of a feather" issue.
Great article. Every word of this is true. God when I think back to my eYouth in America and all those elites and jerks who put down every little idea, ridiculed, etc. Americas been like this for a long time...and I see it hasn't improved. Glad I left.
Wake up, everyone. Make this game, this society, better.
Well this is an enjoyable way to spend what's probably going to be one of my last active days in eRep. ^____^
/grabs some of CRoy's popcorn whilst he isn't looking
I am with you Joe DaSmoe. I have known you for over 2 years and I have taken your measure. I know you to be a person of good will, of honesty, and of the highest integrity. This is a really good article.
That said, I am going to do my own tiny little part to restore democracy.
I am from Texas in RL. That is where I stumbled into this game in the first place! For this democracy to work, all the States should be fairly well populated so elections cannot be easily manipulated with snipers.
In a few minutes, I shall move to Texas and always, from now on, vote as a Texan. I will always vote for a Texas Candidate for Congress, and being a Texan in RL will carry water with me for my vote. I will always try to vote for the one I feel will do the best job for the US, And I do look for and at presentations.
Best wishes,
loft
Hey loft,
You should get involved in mentoring younger citizens. I remember when you mentored me, you did a fantastic job. You left me in the Ukraine without any tickets or food and ragequit...
I was stuck there for two weeks thanks to your judgment. The best part was no one in the US would help me because I had Ukrainian citizenship - including Joe. Luckily we had real military leaders that cared about their soldiers. If it wasn't for Eugene Harlot sending my a ticket and personally vouching for me I never would have gotten back. I was on the verge of quitting then. Great. Job.
Agreed. You go Joe!
A minor exception, though, if I may be so bold... At least one party, the Socialist Freedom Party, has always stood for empowering the so-called "junior" players, introducing innovative approaches to the game, encouraging newer players, and so forth.
I wouldn't still be here without all of the great support from this particular community. And I... along with other SFPers... continue to give back.
One of our current projects is to organize a sizable collection of worker-run profit-share cooperatives. (Civil Foods, Syndicalist Oil, Harmonic Iron Works, more to come...)
We encourage both old and new players to join us in finding ways to use these cooperative company structures to build community, share rewards and keep players involved and empowered.
V
JPJ, I never remember you asking me for citizenship.
Phoenix Quinn, I would agree that the SFP is different, you guys have a good thing going over there.
Thanks Loft, you have always had my back, I applaud you for bringing a bit of RL into your decision making. I can remember
being called foolish because I wanted to run in Ohio.
Thanks Dill, JJ ,Alee and everyone else who agrees and is sick of this shi_. Ya'll are good people in my book.
@JohnPaulJones you should have PMed me for tickets and some food. For that matter you could have helped me counter the Hun PTO while you were waiting for your citizenship.
I just want to see some good honest debate about this.
I get tired of hoopla and BS all the time.
I understand that govt., parties and certain people have an agenda, fine with that. They are playing a game called politics. (Someday I may find myself playing that game.) Checkers, cards, board games, even computer games are fun at first but after my 2.5 months in eRep it's getting old quick. Take a break folks. Let's fix some stuff that needs fixed. Mend a few fences and smooth some ruffled feathers. Then we can get back to the back room deals and underhanded shenanigans.
@loft, you went AWOL and used a US military branch for your own personal game. Each of the soldiers that trusted you got burned.
@Joe, you weren't in congress I asked for help getting back, not citizenship, and to be fair, I asked a lot of people - none helped until I got on the forum and Harlot PMed me because I started a thread about Ukraine. He sent me food, a ticket to the US, and a link to where I could reapply for citizenship due to the incident.
high quality article
a bit too long, but what can ya do. 🙂
Thoughtful stuff Joe. Voted for good media.