The Bridge to V2 Tax Compromise
Joe DaSmoe
Well, we have another term of Congress before us. My hope is to work toward improving the status of our economy with tax changes. Here is what I'm proposing on Capitol Hill. Fellow Senators, this thread is located here: http://eusforum.com/index.php/topic,20004.0.html
FG=finished goods (manufacturing)
RM=raw materials
VAT=value added tax (sales tax)
Here is my "compromise"
Income tax: raise to 22% in every sector
Import tax: raise to 5% for finished goods, 15% for Raw materials (excluding diamonds)
VAT: lower the sales tax to 1% across the board
22%-5%-1% on all FG
22%-15% on RM's excluding diamonds
WHY JOE, WHY?
Income Tax-
The raise will supplement funding, and is purely a compromise on my part. Some worry that lowering the VAT will reduce funding, this will supplement that effect, if it even occurs.
Import tax-
The raise will ease the strain on our markets due to foreign dumping, while remaining at low enough levels to still allow imports in, especially with the peg drifting toward .025. We will at least get a bump in revenue from foreign companies.
Raising the import on raw materials to 15% will presumably remove foreign sellers from our RM market. This is needed and will lead to the US becoming a global exporter of RM's, again taking the peg being lowered into account.
These figures are compromises as well, as I would prefer protecting the RM market completely (99
😵and guard FG's with 10%.
Value added tax (VAT)-
The lowering of the VAT will ease the strain on domestic companies a bit by allowing them to retain the tax currently being paid toward their bottom line. Coupled with the slight import raise, this should spur wage competition and allow Americans to stay in business, improving our economy.
The secondary effect of this idea would be that the US would then have the lowest sales tax and extremely cheap goods which could/should lead to black market buying on our markets in significant amounts, further improving the economy by boosting sales, while allowing us to reap the benefits of dramatically improved sales through the tax collected.
Taxes affect everyone
We need to realize that our decisions and dogmas regarding tax policies affect everyone, not just the government and the military. When people see they can make more money abroad, they leave for higher wages, quit the game, or give up on being productive citizen and hoard what little money they make. This kills our retention rates and revenue stream.
When we allow foreign companies to kill our domestic markets, we kill our wages. It is true that lower prices are good don't get me wrong, but allowing American companies to compete better will allow for wages to rise as they compete for workers. As it has been stated a million times, we have more than enough companies to supply ourselves. The simple fact that we have more than enough will keep prices low due to the domestic competition we have.
All of these factors/issues lead back to the morale of our people, the retention of our higher level players, and the success rate of our new citizens. A sustained population far outweighs the dogmas of the past, retention and morale trumps all.
I would like to have a discussion on this, preferably one where people just don't drop one liners in here and dismiss the problem outright.
So please, state your opinions.
Thank you for your time,
Joe DaSmoe, Senator of Illinois
The text above is exactly what I have put before our Senators on the hidden Congress boards on the US forum. I am posting this in the media as well, I hope to gather feedback from our citizens and keep them in the loop. Myself and others are trying to give our economy a shot in the arm, we are going to need public support.
Comments
Votado!
Please tell our Congress your thoughts.
Boated
I also think a higher minimum wage should be set. Thats why new players [such as me] are stuck for a couple days until resigning, and cant make much money at all for that period of time.
thypavlack:
wages are so low for zero skill at first becasue GM's lose money employing you until you begin to level up. Stick it out it only takes a few days to move up a little, and with new citizens soon to be starting at 100 wellness, GM's will likely compete for new workers more and boost wages a bit (provided the are able to stay in business atm)
Hooray for transparency! Thanks Joe.
Fantastic article, Joe.
Q1 Food, not the cheapest.
http://ereptools.net/market/product/ind/1/q/1" target="_blank">http://ereptools.net/market/product/ind/[..]/q/1
Q1 Gifts, not the cheapest.
http://ereptools.net/market/product/ind/2/q/1" target="_blank">http://ereptools.net/market/product/ind/[..]/q/1
Q1 Weapons, not the cheapest.
http://ereptools.net/market/product/ind/3/q/1" target="_blank">http://ereptools.net/market/product/ind/[..]/q/1
Q1 Grain, not the cheapest
http://ereptools.net/market/product/ind/5/q/1" target="_blank">http://ereptools.net/market/product/ind/[..]/q/1
Where is all this dumping in the eUS markets? If there was dumping, wouldn't the eUS have the cheapest goods in all the land? We don't, imports aren't hurting our economy, they're a convenient scape goat.
Gr8 article, aslo check out this one: http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/where-will-you-be-on-election-day--1225999/1/20" target="_blank">http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/wher[..]/1/20
Alexander do you run companies? Do you watch the markets? Foreign dumping occurs here constantly and at least at a 5% tariff we will get something out of it.
Sitting our hands are doing ABSOLUTELY nothing to try and help the economy is what was done for the last two months. IT is time we try something new.
Yes I have run companies in the past, I currently have two Q3's mothballed. No I don't agree that foreign dumping is a problem. The eUS has a very large workforce and we're able to produce products and materials very efficiently.
I do agree with you that a 99% import tax would be unnecessary, only a 5 - 10% import tax would prevent foreign companies to export profitably to the eUS market.
If there is no dumping here then there should be no problem with the raising of that tax.
I do run/ran a few companies 2/3 are mothballed the 3rd im laying off tomorrow. A quick look around the markets will tell you in gold our citizens get paid less then average BEFORE taxes, then after definitely less.Whats a shame is I have enough $$$ to last me awhile, and yet now employees are going to suffer because I am not going to keep chasing these bottoming prices. They drop everyday.
If someone has better ideas im sure people would love to hear them.Till then wages will drop,people will get laid off.My hats off to Joe and the other congressman (I know who you guys are from your platforms and reading around the forums ) that actually are trying to do SOMETHING about this.
Our market is flooded enough, remove foreign sellers will allow some breathing room.
We do in fact have a large and productive workforce, and its leaving to work abroad due to our low wages.
How about we coordinate with the rest of EDEN regarding our economies, like Misho suggested?
Voted. Lower VAT tax. Raise import taxes on manufactured goods.
Voted... Completely agree.. We need to at least try something.
We don't produce much Oil, Grain, or Wood.
Raising imports would either force people out of iron( thus lowering our overall tax revenue and wages because Iron is the most profitable RM, or drive prices up while wages deflate.
Sure! Raise the import tax to prevent "dumping"...and reap the consequences...because: dumping==low prices
Soooooooooo?
Low prices==good for newbs...good for everyone.
Economics==The best companies win.
If you're loosing it's completely your fault.
Sorry, but that's just the way it works. I agree with Mr. Hamilton...at least he's got sources...khem: take a leaf out of his book Mr. DaSmoe...😃...good discussion!
yes! lets go Joe!
I'm on board with this (mostly).
Stewrat
dumping equals an even more flooded market which equals wages plummeting which equals wage chasing abroad.
We have thousands of domestic companies, the most in game, there is MORE THAN enough domestic competition to ensure low prices.
it seems like have have half a clue joe, but u obviously have no clue and arent a worker if u want to raise income tax to 22% u want all our workers to leave and work overseas as this is the highest income tax pretty well anywhere in the eWorld. Leave income tax alone, In fact LOWER IT. if want to raise income taxes then u have no idea about much
Sorry Joe, I just can't support a 22% income tax. Especialy on new players, who don't have enough money to support themselves even with virtualy no taxes. However, as Alexander Hamilton stated, our economy is being torn to bits by imports. Rasing the import tax to anywere between 15-25% and we could make the marketplace a much more stable environment for American bussiness owners. Drop the income tax and raise the import and you'll have my endorsal.
Voted, o/
Raising the income tax, raising imports, cutting VAT: this might simultaneously raise prices, cut income... basically, kill our new players in order to protect GM's profits. Nice in the short term, but we should be doing everything possible to boost our stagnating population.
I'm not big on the income tax raises either fellas, its just the One Eye clan is so entrenched with the stuff>gold theory that its a necessary compromise in order to get anything at all done.
Another 2% isn't very much anyway, but I know what you mean.
I agree on some parts. Decide what the goal is though. Is the goal to transition to a land-based economy? If so we need to protect our valuable land commodities (wood and iron). If we want to be balanced in manu and land we need to act accordingly. One thing that needs to be done regardless is to put a 99% income tax on diamonds. There is no point in wasting anyone's time on medium diamond regions when we have so many allies with diamond surpuluses.
Yeah Aaron we def don't need land workers working at medium domestic diamond companies.
I agree with PigInZen on some of his points, one of them being that America should have a land based economy, I don't wanna kill our manufacturing sector though.
also, we are getting dumped on....big time. every business owner knows this. I have shut down 6 businesses since this 'free trade' fiasco was enacted. American workers aren't making anything because we can't charge high income taxes and also allow imports or we lose out to foreign competition that can compete against our higher labor.
Thanks Para \o USA>Canada however in the Olympics bro 😃
good luck going against the church of economy with that there.
spoiler its not going though and its never gona go though.
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why not be like the housing market?
lower income tax on manufacturing good to around 15% and then keep the VAT where it is at 10% with a import tax of 5 or 10%
then RM stay income at 20% and raise import to 15 or 20%
and change the housing market alittle on VAT to 5% and import to 10%
this has been my idea for monthsand it is not a free trader by no means we have no import tax other countrys do they can import but we can't export back to them it is a one way street.
we are the hub of the eden trading market all countrys trade with us and if they want in our market they must play by our rules cuz they are making the value of our markets not us that is a big problem.
Re minimum wage. beginners run to trap companies in search of higher wages!! Even though raising the minimum is not the best idea. it's the only think that can stim the tide of trap companies who kill young american players!! Or come up with a way to kill trap companies.
uhm, voted 🙂
I disagree... Keeping imports low gives us cheap goods. Also, it is important for us to keep income tax as it is because people with a high income is losing a lot of money, which makes them want to leave. Also the VAT is fine the way it is. I'm up for change but I don't think the time is right
Voted.
@ Joe: Votad...and thanks
@ Alex Hamilton: As your links show, the reverse is also true. Countries with LOWER prices universally have HIGHER import taxes than what Joe is proposing for FGs.
You can't claim cause and effect between prices and import tax rates. It's just not there.
People are rightly sick of high income tax while import tax is dogmatically held at 1%. Evasion will continue to grow, and rightly so, unless we address this gross tax inequity.
Too late for me, my companies went under a couple weeks ago.
But that's okay. I like shooting at Penixers more than preparing payrolls anyway.
If I understand the situation correctly it seems to me that raising the income tax by 2% would reduce disposable income of the already modest 5.88$ that the average eAmerican earns each day. If anything, I believe decreasing the current across the board 20% income tax by a small percentage, perhaps 2-3% may put more disposable income into our market. This could be offset by a small but somewhat larger import tax rate increase; perhaps in the 3-4% range.
I'm just thinking that if the average wage in eUSA is 5.88$ and we take 20 percent of that every day-It doesn't leave enough leeway for bread and other essentials needed to advance in the game.
So,that's what I think.
i agree strongly about this
Voted. I may actually be able to run my grain company profitably without foreign competition driving prices so low that I can't compete...
Stewart this games economics work a lot like real life's...but they have a difference...we have no WTO to enforce illegal dumping laws...so we have to use our tax system, and yes dumping occurs and no low prices are not PURE GOOD...if it costs $1 for food but i am only making $1 how do i buy the $2 Q1 weapon...i cant...and if the company cant afford to pay me more then $1 or lose money how do i improve...how does the company owner improve...
As much as I want to see import taxes raised I just can't vote for something that would raise our already high income tax.
Nationalistic tax policy to protect companies. Good for 10% of the population, bad for the other 90% o/
Best presentation and discussion that I have seen in a very long time. I decided that I would rather leave erepublik than to mothball my companies. I ran for congress in Vermont to push the exact same tax agenda that Joe DaSmoe is presenting. I don't pretend to have all of the answers to the economic problems. However, what Joe DaSmoe is presenting seems to be common sense, and the right first step. Thanks to Alexander Hamilton for pointing out that the dumping problem is exaggerated. In order to get goods sold, owners are dropping prices all over the world, especially in the eUSA. Even with the elimination of imports this problem will continue to plague the business owners. So, lets reduce the imports as a first step and continue to look for other solutions. Likewise, the VAT should be lowered as Joe DaSmoe states above in order to give owners an incentive not to mothball or greatly reduce wages. Since our military owns companies that they run at low wages they take a large market from the private sector. Is is right for the private sector to be forced to subsidize the military companies? At the end of the day this is the situation, so lets move a small tad of tax revenue from the government to the private sector by lowering the VAT.
I agree - and we need to add more self-sufficient and knowledgeable citizens so that they know more about what is going on.....even as brand new. Please read as this is my supplemental plan.
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/do-you-feel-like-a-bastard-child-of-the-eus--1225877/1/20" target="_blank">http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/do-y[..]/1/20
DO IT, DO IT NOW!!!
This is a solid proposal worth trying. Great article
Peg drifting toward 0.025? is this an official announcement?