The Belgian Question: An Analysis
Katharos45
Belgium has been a subject of debate for several months now. Around a year or so ago, both Belgium and the Netherlands were unified under one flag, as The United Netherlands, or UNL for short. However, on October 23rd 2009, Seal Team 6 ‘Liberated’ Flanders from the Netherlands. Since then, Belgium has never been fully part of the Netherlands, although most Belgians still reside in the Netherlands. For a few months, Belgium was under the rule of ‘The Group’, Eden members who had taken Belgium over for their own purposes. Later, The UK attacked Belgium, and The Group, seeing that they did not need Belgium, let them take it. However, when Poland and Spain Attacked France and Germany, they took over the regions, seeing that they were to be a thorn in their side for the impending attack on Britain, and they were easy to take, as Mpps would not be activated.
Later, Poland and Spain Rwed their regions, once again Belgium was on the map. It then became a political battleground between eBelgians, who supported wanted the best for the country, and PTOers, who claimed to be Belgian and that they wanted the best for Belgium. Now, each side has around 50% of congress, while the President is Belgian. Now we ask the question: Do we attack Belgium and risk attracting attention to ourselves, but can rid it of Eden? Or do we assist them financially and politically in claiming back their country the slow way? I say we should look at the Pros and Cons of each Scenario.
The first Scenario would certainly be the more risky of the two. We risk bringing attention to ourselves from Eden, and even if we succeed we could easily lose them to Poland or Spain, as the Game would not read these as original regions, just as the UK lost them. So this scenario looks less likely. However, a successful venture, although a gamble, could spur activity levels in the Netherlands, as well as boosting Morale and training many politicians who cannot leave their posts. We would lose money from this, but if we could coordinate baby boom advertisements at the right time, we could get a small baby boom from this. However, the whole concept of this scenario is held up by ‘ifs’, so this one would be the less likely and more costly one.
The second scenario would be slower, and would not bring the same kind of activity that the First scenario would. However, the second scenario would certainly be the safer of the two. It is already at work, as the Belgians have finally got half the congress, while talks with ‘the group’ are underway. There are also talks about giving Belgians money to get the economy of Belgium going. This would make them more self-sufficient, and also attract Belgians to the game. This scenario, however, would be slower than an all-out attack. This scenario would certainly be in Belgium’s best interests, unless the Belgians have something else in mind.
My opinion is that each Scenario benefit’s a different party. The first scenario benefits more the Netherlands, with the prospects of more activity, more morale, and the chance of a baby boom, while the second Scenario will give Belgium it’s own nation, with a better economy, and the chances of it’s own baby boom. I say that for now we allow the Belgians to make their own decisions. If they want their own country, there is no point to force a merger on them. I say we help them out with making their new country and taking it back from EDEN. The Belgians have been our friends for a long time, and helped a lot in the government and Finance. I say we return the favour.
Thank you for your time.
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Question out of curiosity: how long have you factually live in the UNL (thus before the regions were split)?
umm. about 1 year.
me about 6 months 🙂
The question was actually directed at Katharos 😉
3 months. This was my opinion, but I researched a lot on the subject.
hmmm netherlands journalists should do their homework. Far from all 'imposters' in eBelgium are EDEN and many real eBelgians don't support PHOENIX.
attacking us would realy be a proof of the eNetherlands greed and egoïsm. We are a new, independent country now, we have our problems like every new country has but we have the right to govern ourselfs. The eUNL is death, and thats a good cause I would say since it was an abomination, when will everyone accept that?
I am interested, then, why the Belgian party enjoyed the majority of congress for a long time during the union, and a belgian was president of the eUNL for a lot of terms. May I also note, that two belgian regions had hospitals, as well as two Dutch regions, and that the dutch and belgians enjoyed unity. I am also curious why someone born on day 760, would know so much about the abomination which is he eUNL. It is true that there are some belgians who like Eden, but the vast majority of these are Eden players from Romania and others in disguise. Please don't troll my article if you don't know what you are talking about.
the fact you translate not supporting PHOENIX as liking EDEN and being an EDEN player only proofs you think in black and white.
You are right, I didn't know the 'good times' of the union, when I was born here I saw a country that was torn up between different nations and recovering from the exploits from a PTO. And did the eNetherlands try to help us? no they didn't, many of the belgians in the eNetherlands just hang on to their pollitical power and coulden't be bothered less. Well those people may be RL belgians but they are not eBelgians. After we, eBelgians, expressed our wish for independence the eNetherlands still didn't give us back our share of the assets from the eUNL that was rightfully ours. Well that is, in my opinion, an abomination.
An btw I don't like a well-explained and founded opinion being called a troll.
If someone supports Eden, they prefer Eden. And you are misusing my wording. If you were paying any attention to what I was saying, I meant that many Romanians masqueraded as Belgians during the first period of belgian occupation by Eden. I also like how you say that we didn't want to help you when we sent many players to help you win back your country.
And it is not the government of the netherland's fault for belgian politicians who don't want to lose their places of power. The fact is, Belgians held many places of power in the the Netherlands Government. We can't let the MoD or MoFA leave to help. Instead we sent many other willing belgians and Dutch people.
And truthfully, how many belgians can we trust to be real ebelgians?
Lots of players call themselves that, such as Romanians, so they can steal money and blend in with the crowd.
you can recognize real ebelgians from there action for eBelgium. If you would closely follow the events in eBelgium and not only paying attention to the mud that is being trowed around by a small number of people you could see there is a big group of dedicated people working for the best of their nation and there is no sign of anyone exploiting our country.
>no one exploiting our country
Hmm. And who sent people over to stop anyone from exploiting your country? Ah yes, The Netherlands.
I think you are giving yourself way to much credit, the only thing the 'support' players did was makeing alot of noise and causing alot of useless argues and now they are starting to leave.
The people that came from eNetherlands becaus they realy cared for eBelgium, they stayed and are still working for eBelgium and I am convinced most of them would never go back to a union. That last group are the people I respect and I enjoy working with every day.
never say never Rithulme
Lots of noise? we sent many people so we could give you guys a better hold on congress. Among those people are the people which stayed in belgium. Congressmen in the netherlands resigned and went to belgium.Some people took a liking to belgium, or already liked belgium, so they stayed there. But everyone who came obviously cared for belgium, or they would not have quit their jobs so they could help you guys.
@ Katharos
"It then became a political battleground between Real life Belgians, who supported Phoenix, and the Eden impostors, who claimed to be Belgian and that they wanted the best for Belgium."
EDEN impostors as you call us never pretended to be RL Belgians. We came here to make sure Belgium would not be used by Phoenix to block Poland and Spain during UK war. It seems to be a rule with PHX to use a country like Austria or Slovenia and then abandon them when they don't need them any more.
I arrived here to fight in Brussels RW, one that brought Belgium back. Since then we did nothing against Belgium, we didn't take their money (unlike Serbs in Denmark) and we accepted all the proposals done in best interest of Belgium. So there is really no reason to use the EDEN presence as excuse to not fairly divide assets. Let's not forget that PHX keeps sending voters here every election, as shout by Heidar clearly proves.
"It is already at work, as the Belgians have finally got half the congress, while talks with ‘the group’ are underway."
The Group was Romanian pTO back in days. There are no more Romanians here in Belgium. Talks are underway with officially appointed negotiation team, not with some group... BfB is what you refer to as RL Belgians? Well not all congress members from BfB are Belgian. So what? Who cares? If they are working for the benefit of the country why does it matter where they are from?
To claim that only RL Belgians should be in congress or government is very chauvinistic view, and it is not one that is accepted in eBelgium.
I don't agree with those that say "Belgium for RL Belgians". But I also don't respect those that go to a country like Belgium in order to use it for EDEN. They don't care about the country, just the alliance. I say Belgium for people who care about Belgium. It shouldn't be ruled by people with no real interest in the country than serving EDEN.
How could belgium be used by Phoenix as a blocker when it was "liberated" by eden in the first place? You keep talking about the Belgium that you are part of as if it's the actual Belgium that split from the union. Just because you put on their colours and pretend to have their interests at heart it doesn't mean you are them.
Your PTO arguments are amusing, you've been linked with PTO's across the world as well... whats the expression again? "😉e ketel wijt de pot dat hij zwart ziet?"
@ronger
You are in fact right. I am in the wrong to say belgium for RL belgium, and I am at fault. it is quite hypocrititcal in fact, so I'll change it right away.
@ Steingrimur Illugi
You again? Why do you act like you know me or my motives? It was liberated from UK, which was holding Brussels. EDEN actually didn't liberate Brussels, but 3 military groups from Croatia and Mirmidons of Greece. EDEN most likely had no idea it was gonna happen, but they adjusted to the new situation and gave other 2 regions back to Belgium.
As for your empty accusations, show me what have I done against the Belgian interest? You act all friendly and carrying while at the same time you refuse to give Belgium back the assets that they brought into Union. So which one of us has Belgian interest at heart? How have I been linked with any pTO around the world??? Provide the proof to that claim. If you can't I will have to report you for oppressing another citizen, in this case me 😛
@ stancel
Last time I checked Belgium was neutral. Oh, and I also don't respect those that go to a country like Belgium in order to use it for Phoenix. As a matter of fact, Serbs (Phoenix) are pTOing half of the world right now, so you can express your concerns in their newspapers. Maybe you can ask RL Belgians if their country is neutral or not?
@ Romper
*Yawn*