The 100 Gold peace / Pacea de 100 Gold
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by dsalageanu
Dearest,
I am writing ths article in English because I hope it would gather the attention of both Romanian and Hungarian readers. As a retired diplomate, I cannot stay away very long from the really cool threads of events involving Romania right now.
I want to present you very briefly a concept of peace between our countries, including the implementation and enforcement mechanisms. Being a private citizen and not representing Romania (or Hungary 😉
) ) in any way, I do feel free to experiment with some ideas that might prove useful to the negotiation teams.
Let's call it The 100 Gold peace.
Premises of the Romanian - Hungarian relations:
1. Weather Romanians or Hungarians like it or not, this border will remain here for as long we will be here. Nevermind if our border will be more to the left or to the right, there will be a border.
2. Radical solutions and populist measures, on both sides, are pretty much off the table. A complete and immediate recovery of all Hungarian territories on one side, as well as a total wipe-out scenario enforced by Romania, are both unrealistic, unfeasible or plain stupid.
3. Stability and prosperity in the region are goals worth fighting for and mobilizing for.
4. Neither PEACE or ATLANTIS are solutions to a problem between two countries. If we will not find a common way out of this mess together, it will be pointless to turn to our allies, they will be of little use on both sides.
5. We have to find a model to live next to each other and to provide both prosperity and interdependence, in order to feel safe from one another. Real sustainability comes from common goals and common gains.
WE HAVE TO FIND A WIN-WIN SCENARIO and to cut the "pissing contest" out!
So, here is one:
1. Romania allows a RW in Southern Great Plain (Szeged) and allow the return of the Hungarian high grain region. We have no use for it, you have great use of it.
2. The Romanian president proposes peace in exchange of 100 Gold, which is accepted by Hungary.
3. Romania will use the 100 Gold received and will co-invest another 100 Gold (this time in RON, at the monetary governmental rate of 1 Gold = 200 RON) in order to fund a Cross-Border Raw Materials Supply Program (all figures are examples, don't takeit literally):
- Hungary will establish (or use existing) 10 raw materials companies in high-productivity regions in Romania (oil, iron, wood).
- Romania will reimburse to those companies 50% of the cost of the Export Licence to Hungary (using the Hugarian 100 Gold)
- Romania will award the quality upgrades of these companies with 300 RON for Q3, 700 RON for Q4 and 1000 RON for Q5
- If this will be a success, the program can be extended, but 100 Gold from each side is pretty reasonable for the beginning.
4. All these measures can be implemented directly, by the leadership of both countries, fast and efficient, without any forum contracts, admin interventions or any other crap.
ADVANTAGES:
- War is over
- Hugary will be in control of its own resources even better than before our russian campaign (I know your operations in Siberia), by adding a high grain region to its territory.
- Romania will dispose of a completely useless region and will have a secured Western front
- Both Romania and Hungary are keeping their MPP's or international military commitments to Atlantis and, respectively PEACE, unchanged and unharmed.
- Both countries will gain a possible success model on building cross border resource bridges, which can be useful in future relations with third parties.
- Future discussions about returning other regions in exchange for something or not, remain open and are to be solved by future agreements. BUT, they will be discussed among partners, not enemies.
Friend is a big word, and I prefer not to use it right now. We will have to earn each others friendship. BUT, this proposal will bring each country a partner and, maybe, if we all do our part right and focus on sustainable solutions, maybe even a friend. Which would be priceless.
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While it looks good on paper, I see Romania "suddenly" capturing Hungary.
ignorati-l (heymans)
It sounds nice, but it's too complicated and there are no punishments for violating the terms.
It needs to be simple.
Friend??LOOOL...
I don't think they deserve this kind of nice treatment, nor do I think that we can afford an increasingly developed country so close to home..
I do believe that an agreement has to be reached in order for us to coexist, not peacefully, but at least at a more secure level for both countries.Luckily, or sadly, I'm not the one making the decisions🙂
Dsalageanu: It's interesting.
I've only Carte'Dor Caramel ice cream, no popcorn, but I'll sit down, subscribe to comments and let the officials of the two countries speak.
""A complete and immediate recovery of all Hungarian territories on one side, as well as a total wipe-out scenario enforced by Romania, are both unrealistic, unfeasible or plain stupid""
granted your plan lacks stupidity, but is equally unfeasible. on which prior occasion did the hungarians listen to reason?
LOL I was sure you were not spending your time growing roses in your countryhouse now that you are retired!
and remember that the admins, due to some strange reason, didn't want to enforce the other pact between our countries...without the coercitive means this plan cannot be done, you cannot trust the hungarians.the most recent examples are self-explanatory(Both the attack of Hungary and Zoli's Solon-like law proposals)
Hmm not a bad idea at all.
The only problem with this that as far as I know it's not an official statement of Romania.
"being a private citizen and not representing Romania (or Hungary 😉) ) in any way".
It's a personal opinion and not the official stance of eRomania.
that was ... a idea .. a proposal ... not a statement.
Good basis. I do see the means of enforcing it too - it is built into it. Putting Hungarian raw materials base into Romanian owned Siberia would make Hungarian economy dependent on existing links, therefore unable to move against Romania. I have a simple word describing it but do not utter it aloud - it would make it seem bad.
A devious mind you have dsalageanu. 🙂
It seems Romania feels bad after Hungary MPPs))
I agree. All they (hungarians) want is dignity and (of course) resources. It is a good exit of an annoying situation. But this proposal it’s a complicated one. We afford to renounces to a region for nothing. Without guaranties, whithout any condition. Just because we are generous and they are honorable. We must start another kind of attitudes as a country. We afford that.
Being a private citizen and not representing Romania (or eRussia 😉) ) in any way...
I would like to say: interesting. It was also proposed that eRomania would take Western Siberia (for its supposed Resources) of eRussia. In return, they would help free eRussian territories. I have yet to see this and probably never will, so therefore, I consider this article another statement that will never see daylight in legislation or Congress.
What would interest me is why the hell to you need to other regions, aside from pride (generated through RL non-sense). Romania, in the game, has absolutely no need for them. With or without those, you can not forge a way to PEACE territories without taking down Slovakia (and i assume that would be the only tactical reason to keep the current regions).
Hungary, on the other part, would have more congressman (which can be important now and then), and the pride to have all it's original regions back (which does mather on a moral point after all).
Personally, i would ask for the gold needed to start the war in each region, and give them back for that. With an assurance that no war will be started of course, but the current status more then makes sure of that: Hungary can not conquer regions on it's own, while if Romania attacks, Hungary will most likely take all non-original Romanian regions (i am sure some zealots will step up and say that Romania can figth all of peace alone, but we all know that is not true).
Western Siberia is OUR trophy and OUR resource of oil. And with Hungarians its possible to have a normal debate. They are from Europe.
Clawy: pride is always a strong reason.
I am sure Hungary would gladly pay the price of rw-s in that unlikely scenario that you have described. But it is remote.
@quicksilver:
Well, the main problem with this game is that it is played on the real world map.
I am a hungarian who lives in Romania. I played a few games, most of them in Romanian alliances. I never remember of destroying somebody just because of pride. The behavior of many people here (on all sides) is sadly dictated by stupid xenofibism.
By the way, i was in Budapest for a metal concert in November. We gave some hungarians there some Timisoreana, to show them what real beer tastes like. So i did my part for the friendship between the 2 countries 🙂
Very few advantages for Romania (few, and illusory), very much to gain for Hungary.
Why should we allow a hostile neighbour to grow stronger? for... "honor"? ... because "we can afford it?" lol. That's not very wise.
I doubt that if they were to be in our position they would have granted us mercy or generosity.
They cannot find other rich provinces on other friendly countries on wich to establish their supply bases?
It is not xenophoby. That would mean fear of someone alien, an unknown quantity because one does not know what it is capable of. What we have here is fear and distrust because we do know each other and compete for the same niche - I mean RL. It is not fear of an alien but fear of a neighbour. Much harder to dissolve.
Nicolae Drow, I think the idea is to make hostile parties a bit less hostile, by making first economical links, which are less emotional than people. We are neighbours, whatever we may think of that position.
The clue of this game is to exploit our national pride, our determination. It is a mirror, distorted but somehow accurate. Our ideas, our social representations, our out-group stereotypes are present. We are Romanians and eRomanians also, and its hard to do a distinction. We are not orcs or paladins, and for this Erepublik its so captivating.
I think that while individuals from both sides can get very-very friendly, our peoples as whole, in eRep (and in RL, in some extent) will be hostile. Too many rivers of (e)blood, too fresh keeps us apart.
Ofcorse, some romanians are soft and, possibly, blind. They think themselvs as enlightened, humanitarian, but, let's face it. When hungarians were, last time humanitarian with us? I all your history you took full advantage of your strenght, when you were the powerfull side, or you were tricky and sneaky, awaiting for "the right time", when you were weak. When people like Salagean let you be the stronger side.
@ Nicolae Drow And you in RlRomania live in which region? Because I want to test a theory...
The 'might makes right' is not a Hungarian attitude - it is a humane one. In this game you play it.
Mehedinti and, for a while, in Bihor and Timis.
@Nicolae Drow- Ai confirmat teoria!
si nu ne povestesti si noua teoria????
Da, e simpla: teoria zice ca oamenii care nu prea au avut de a face cu maghiarii sunt cei mai inversunati antimaghiari. Insa nu cred ca e cazul la Drow, pentru ca il cunosc.
asta e joc d pace? razboi, sa cucerim toata lumea! sau cel putin pe cei slabi 😃. Pe ei, pe mama lor! 😛
teoria nu e buna. n-am intalnit nici un ungur in viata, dar nici unul. stau in Dolj de toate viata si n-am absolut nimic, dar nimic, cu ungurii. Cum sa ai ceva cu cineva/ cu o natiune cu care nu ai avut de a face? Sa ii urasti pentru ce ai citit in cartile de istorie? Ii urasti. pe cei de atunci, cel mult.
Is there something preventing eHungary from exporting raw materials by themselves, without this agreement? If eHungary can do that anyway, then I don't think this agreement gives much to eHungary. This seems more like a complex diversion than a serious commitment from eRomania.
Guys, this is fiction, not RL. Nationalism is bad in RL and it should not find it's way in this game. We should all listen to reason, and find an honorable solution to this.
Romania will not "wipe out" Hungary, not because we're affraid of the "cool MPPs", but because we don't need HU territories. They have no interesting resources. (BTW, very bad move to let MPPs expire! If we wanted to wipe out HU, we would have done it very easy when HU had no MPPs at all!!!!)
Of course Hungary will not even try to get their territories back by war, as their MPPs will not activate unless we attack one of their regions first.
PEACE, on the other hand, will do their best to convince Hungary not to accept any kind of peace as they want the war to be active so that they can block us from attacking by opening a region like they did during the war with Russia. This is probably the only reason we want this war to be over and it's Hungary's chance to get one or two regions back!!!!
Why should WE start peace procedures with a country that double crossed us more than one time by now?
Anorien cum sa nu-i urasti cand aveau de gand sa foloseasca cazul independentei kosovo ca baza pentru a ne lua transilvania ? astia is dati dreaq si trebuiesc omorati ... sa nu uitam ca daca te duci prin romania prin zonele si nu stii maghiara s-ar putea sa nu poti cumpara nimic de pe la magazine ... am patit-o, si nu numai odata ... plus ca ungurii din romania urasc romanii si ca exemplu o sa-ti dau o discutie pe care am purtat-o cu un tip angajat la gara din arad unde am fost anu trecut cu nijte treburi ...
eu fumam o tigara afara langa scrumiera (in gara) si el iese nervos si injurand ca romanii mananca unde se caca si l-am intrebat care e problema lui ? (ma ia flama cand aud chestii de genu din gura lor) si omu mi-a zis ca asa sunt toti romanii si ca mananca de unde se caca, ca fac mizerie (chistoacele de pe jos) si l-am intrebat daca e sigur ca romanii fac asta ... omu zicand ca ungurii nu fac asa ceva.
nervos in ultimu hal l-am intrebat daca are cetatenie si a zis ca are la care eu i-am zic "atunci mai taci in P#!@ mea, retardatule, ca si tu esti roman"
zis* sry 😃 in penultimul rand 🙂
BK Lee you are absolutely right.
And read the other topic,we showed and example by freeing slovakian territories because we don't need them,and we made a mistakes in the past when we occupied them.
And the same about our territories.
We have NOTHING to lose,we need just the HIGH GRAIN,which is everything to us,but means nothing to Romania.
@cozonac
Incurci jocul cu RL. Vederile tale sunt la fel de inguste ca cele ale persoanelor despre care scrii.
But... we eat bred too. Plus bred is bad for your health. EAT HEALTHY, lads!!!!
See North Koreea? they have the fewest fat people!!
WAKE UP, eRomania! Everyone thinks we are just affraid on eHungary. I DO NOT AGREE with the article, although dsalageanu is a great player. I really am against eHungary and they will be wiped out. Most eromanians think the same. They have tricked and tried to stab us from behind for too many times. Cowards...
Dragoste cu sila nu se face!Drum bun mai Zoli!Demonstratii laborioase, scuze, motivatii de tot felul,filozofii si filozofi....
E un joc, castigi sau pierzi!!!!
Solutia pentru "oprimati" e una singura ...Apa,paie si bataie! 😃
Uite ca cineva are dreptate. Bravo, Coliba! Asa te vreau. Asta e atitudine de invingator. 🙂
Mobby: they want the war to be active so that they can block us from attacking by opening a region like they did during the war with Russia. That's why!
I think is a very good idea! All my regards to desalageanu. Good work.
Now let's make it happen'!
...when pigs will fly.
@dsalageanu: nu vedem ca eungurii fac tot ce e posibil sa ne traga in piept? ne marsavesc pe la spate cum au cea mai mica ocazie. Sunt niste "vagaboande" din eRepublik. Drept dovada poti sa iei ceea ce au incercat acum cand ne-au atacat si noi trebuia sa luam eRusia. Din cauza lor era sa ne-o luam in barba 😐 Nu merita mila si nici intelegere.
parerea mea sunt 2 variante pt a termina razboiu asta!
Ori cea a lui Desalageanu ori cucerirea totala a Ungariei. Prima mi se pare mult mai economica si lasa loc de Buna Ziua ...cum s-ar zice pe viitor. Ungurii nu ar avea de ce sa refuze noi trebuie sa incetam sa mai fim paranoici cu privire la ei...in joc suntem mult mai tari...decat sa ne mai puna cate un betzigash in roate nu au ce sa ne faca...am cucerit Rusia for God's sake!!!
@kara Kalla
invingator e ala care isi foloseste capul. Si eu nu vad de ce i-as sterge pe unguri de pe harta. Si crede-ma, indonezienilor si iranienilor le e frica de noi, nu te lua dupa 5-6 kamikaze care posteaza pe articole. Ori sunt redusi mintal ori n-au nici o treaba. Oricum cine trebuia sa stie cine e romania a inteles asta clar.
Nu vad de ce trebuie sa ne mai incordam muschii. EWorld mai are mutle de demonstrat. Si chiar acum avem nevoie de o gura de aer in PR.
Nicolae Drow: http://warriorlibrarian.com/PICS/flyingpig.jpg
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Sebahmah, frumoase vorbe,dar inutile.Cuceritorii nu vor fi niciodata iubiti.PR...ok, dar acolo unde se poate.Cu ungurii si rusii e pierdere de timp.