Thailand Downfall May become MALAYSIA's fault
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by pantherthug89
I was totally with all my heart against ever accepting peace with Indonesia and Im afraid many many nations may suffer because of what I believe was a false move...
For one the war gave us a highly effective strong defence in Southeast Asia with 20+ MPPs activated against Indonesia and nations like Thailand could have easily been aided and the Indonesians who we all know are incredibly power hungry and looking to return to its state of an empire. The only difference that peace proposal made was a very very small amount of gold in Indonesia's deep pockets and a small window of 24 hours for us to prepare which wouldnt be excessively neccessary as we would have 20+ MPPs ready and plenty of people online to pick up what has happened. Some may say that it improved our relations, but we all know our relations have not changed at all they still want our resources and now we have just basically f'd some of our support and potential blockers.
If Indonesia were to win the battle currently open and we still had that war open we could have pounded them as soon as they won and possibly safekeeped that region which is the only border region Indonesia has with Thailand. As simple as that we could keep Indonesia contained and protect our allies. Even if they punched through really hard we could still counter attack and actually have a chance at counter attacking effectively. Thailand may now be completely captured thanks to this false move that basically allowed Indonesia to reorganize an empire with absolutely no initial benefit for us besides a 24 hour frame for a battle to take place.
So what should we learn from this.... Discuss and look at the possibilities before we actually accept things. WAS THIS A MILITARY DECISION OR A POLITICAL ONE.... DID ANYONE ASK the MoD THE SETBACKS WHAT COULD POSSIBLY COME OF THIS... (didnt mean it in a mad way but to emphasis) I honestly cant believe no one at all recognized this and sent it around but really we just damned Thailand and possibly some other Sol nations, their blood seeps through the ground and occupation may be eminent because we made a false move, we can't stop them from taking over much of these nations now when before we could do it with such ease. The situation will most likely turn desperate when a steel wall of vast amounts of countries could be raised, Indonesia has shown one thing for certain though... They want Southeast Asia we had a strong chance to save her and even though we still have a chance im afraid the war will be rebooted again in not to much time and the only thing that would have changed from this war and the previous one is that our great neighbors may be occupied while Malaysia may become the final fortress against Indonesia and if Phillipines falls or maybe even is simply attacked our war games could be up in flames and our mighty defences we have will topple before us and we will be alone.
the only thing left we can do is fight....
LONG LIVE Malaysia
LONG LIVE Sol
LONG LIVE Southeast Asia
pantherthug89
Deputy Supreme Commander of Sol
Deputy Minister of Defence Malaysia
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I was one of the Congressman that voted NO on the peace proposal with eIndonesia.
That bit about 20+ MPPs is a huge exaggeration. We had like 8-10 still active when we signed the peace treaty. Apart from that you are largely right, it was a mistake to sign peace without getting some guarantees for the safety of the Philippines and Thailand.
The peace treaty with Indonesia was not a mistake. Have you consider all the pros & cons before making a statement that it is 'our fault for the fall of Thai'?
We did this because we really need too. War with Indonesia will not do any good to Malaysia (it's only benefical for Sol). Lot of country's resources are wasted during our confrontation with them.
During current administration, we even had plan to promote total peace in South East Asia with Indonesia by having a diplomat level talk that has started for a couple of weeks between them, Malaysia and Singapore.
As a Phoenix alliance, I do agree that Indonesia might have their own self interest, but as a neighbour, peace with them is a must.
Philipine is 'helping' China by swapping regions but still fail to stop Phoenix invasion. It is just a matter of time before Phoenix forces sorrounded us from all angles.
Is Sol really that neutral and non biased? Base from the past action, I dont really think so.
@amilin
If you still thinks that eIndo will not attack us than you really naive.We have to act now before it is too late
@Noveras
How can you be so sure that Indo will attack us? What kind of action that you think suitable? Please don't speculate that their intention of attacking our neighbours is to drive their forces to Malaysia.
You get me all wrong here.I am not saying we should attack eIndo.I am saying need to be ready and help our allies because they are ATTACKING our allies.You keep saying neighbours but you forget that they are our ALLIES!!!If we let our allies fall we will end up like eFrance.
Get you all wrong? What about this statement in your article?
"we have been tricked!!! In their attempt to reopen the war with eMalaysia, eIndonesia have make us believe that they are going to attacked ePhilippines but instead they attacked eThailand"
Who trick who? Reopen war with Malaysia?
I do agree that both Philipine and Thailand are part of Sol, and thus it is our responsibilty to help them as stated in Charter of Sol. What did I try to clarify here is that it is not a mistake to sign a peace treaty with Indonesia. We had strive a long way for this. Due to Thailand and Australia still at war with Indonesia, the foreign affairs play an important roles in having Indonesia to offer peace to these countries. malaysia managed to do this, and we should be very glad.
Since we are part of Sol, I dont see any problem with us helping our neigbours (that's what MPP is for). Indonesia will surely understand these action.
Please don't fuel the tension between us and Indonesia.
regards
>"and thus it is our responsibilty to help them as stated in Charter of Sol"
We shouldn't protect them because of a charter. We should protect them because they are our brothers, because they have been attacked by imperialists, because we care about regional stability!
eAsia has never been stable! Never. Not in all of eRepublik. I hope we can change that. Indonesia apparently has very different plans, though...
Who trick who? Reopen war with Malaysia?"
Clearly you didn't know the details of peace treaty between eMalaysia and eIndonesia.Even thou it is a gentlemen agreement eIndonesia agreed that to keep peace with eMalaysia,they will not attack either eThailand and ePhilippines and well they have broke both of those agreement.It is understandable if they want to attack ePhi because ePhi help eChina but what is their reason to attack eThai?
To attack on our allies that also happen to be our neighbours is an attack on our national interest and defense.If they conqured eThai and ePhi they already surround us and this is not good for our national defense.
why can't SOL just replicate the MPP scenarios in eMalaysia pre-peace-treaty in eThailand ? since eThailand and ePhillipines is largely seeing actions in the eIndo invasions, replicating the diplomatic and military relations and arrangements that eMalaysia had pre-peace-treaty in eThailand seems to be a plausible scenario. if our actions of peace treaty really pissed off other ppl, its seems ridiculous and selfish on their part, they stand to gain yet we have all to lose. my 2 cents.
PEACE. NO WAR
There will be peace only when Indonesia quits attacking our closest allies. And it seems that just doesn't gonna happen.🙁
amillin, you do know that if the Philippines falls then it's over for the Sol Games as well, meaning we will lose our MPPs, too. And then fall to Indonesia just the same. We have to defend them just as ferociously as we'd defend ourselves. And there's no need to fuel tensions with Indonesia. They are high already because of their actions.😛 We are essentially at a state of war again...
and Nagyzee has spoken 😁
@Noveras
It looked like you just edited your comment, where is the accusation towards me? Deleted after able to think rationally?
OK, so you think you know the detail of previous peace treaty. Please point me the article or contract of this agreement for me to view?
@Nagyzee
You got your point there and I totally agree.
@amillin
well after what happened in the recent politics arena of eMalaysia I don't think we need another feud over the same enemy but if you want me to publish it than no prob.
For the contract well there are non that is why like I stated in the previous comments that it is a "GENTELMEN AGREEMENT" and for a dMoD it shock me why you don't know this.If you want conformation ask the people who involve in that agreement such as ww88 and Nagyzee.
Btw,when Nagyzee spoke you staright away said "ah I see your point" even thou he said the same thing as what I did?Come on don't be a hypocrite mate.
Oh, I almost forgot who started all this nonsense?
Gentleman agreement? I dont care what is your term for that, but show me the proof man!! And for your info, I just being appointed the dMoFA on nevvven term as Pres, while that peace treaty was crafted out during ww88 reign! How do you expect me to know all? And me as a dMOD? lol, you are totally ignorant!
During the peace treaty, there is no single word saying about limitation of Indonesian on attacking other country. If it is there, then all of Malaysian and Indonesian has been fooled!
What make you think your point is similar with Nagyzee? Did you indicate anything about losing an MPPs after fall of Philipine? Don't you read my previous comment? Do I disagree with heping our neighbours? My point is that previous peace with Indo is not a mistake!
Please do think before your write.. oh! I forgot, who care, it can be edited right? lol
what ever.Useless to talk to someone like you.You want to know more like I said before,just ask ww88 and Nagyzee.What Nagyzee said and what I said have the same meaning,we both agreed on saving our allies because if they fall,Sol fall and than we will fall too.Do the math.
Like I said before,either you are too naive or you have something in mind for being too sympathetic towards the eIndonesia.
Give up already? Dont want to counter my comment? You did not answer my question!
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"Like I said before,either you are too naive or you have something in mind for being too sympathetic towards the eIndonesia."
I will not gonna comment on this one. You deleted this earlier on. Let the people judge. lol
1Malaysia?
hey hey now, you still have your peace treaty no need to be affraid now lol
sudahlah pakcik Amilin dan Noveras..
mari kita santai sejenak, kurasa segelas kopi panas akan dapat mencairkan suasana..