TCO and the Minimum wage proposal
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by Lavis Knight
It appears that the minimum wage proposal by Kilgore Trout is very likely going to pass:
Minimum Wage Vote
I just wanted to make this clear and there is no hiding about this:
The minimum wage proposal was singlehandedly crafted to damage the TCO funding model and every congressman who voted for this whether they realized it or not essentially voted for a proposal that rea😛
"Would you like to Damage TCO's self-funding model?"
You can read the arguments here in open congress if you have access:
Minimum Wage Debate
I may have never agreed with the way TCO supplies its troops; however, in this they did it on their own and fostered community within their ranks.
The main argument for this proposal contains 2 points:
1. TCO is privately owned/Self Sufficient; thus, deserves less funding
2. Raising minimum wage will help regular citizens
1. The TCO is privately owned and Self Sufficient; thus, deserves less funding
First i will concede the point that the TCO is a Private militia; however, i would also argue as i did yesterday that the CAF is also private:
CAF is a PRIVATE miltia
However even if you do not suscribe to that argument what logic is there to punish an organization for being self sufficient? Under the assumption that something in the budget needs to be cut why would you target an organization that is using a self funding model?
How dare anyone do this? The TCO has been working for slave wages for ever, they have sacrificed upwards of 20-30 Cad a day in order to fight in our battles for us while fostering a thriving community! Why would they be the first we would cut if something needed to be cut?
Furthermore why would we go out of our way to do it under the guise of raising minimum wage?
2 Raising minimum wage will help regular citizens
This argument is only used to help support the main point; however, upon close examination of the job market the new minimum wage will not be effective any time soon as the lowest wages are already 4 times higher than the new proposed one:
Job Market
This proposal will also damage other initiatives such as the SPP, which will require even more government subsidy in order to maintain the 4 to 1 work benefit.
This is why i would urge anyone, be you from the CAF/TCO or a regular citizen to please oppose this and i would plead to any congressmen who have not yet voted to vote against this measure.
If you punish people for efficient you are promoting inneficiency
If this passes we all lose
Be well
-Lavis
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I can see the logic in Point 1 (though I do not agree with it) but Point 2 baffles me:
"2. Raising minimum wage will help regular citizens."
Min. wage does not reflect real wages. Unless he means that regular citizens will benefit from the taxes collected, but I fail to see that correlation either.
Regular citizens benefit from increased purchasing power. There is no direct benefit from taxes, since we don't have shcools, hospitals, defense systems, and other infrastructure that the 'regular citizen' uses. There are other tax schemes out there that make will allow people to save and purchase more.
You already lost.
Code-Y, people can post minimum wage offers at 1.20 CAD and these will last forever. I posted 9999 at each of my companies, so in a way I haven't lost.
Voted!
Given that this will generate more revenue for the government AND given that the TCO has been disadvantaged by the policy AND given that TCO serves a national interest by virtue of their military activities, I recommend that the budget for the military be split 50/50 between CAF and TCO.
I know a guy running for CP next month who is going to make this happen.
The TCO minimum wage is .1 higher then this proposal is it not?
Addy that is all well and good but TCO is an international militia. If they were only canadian and only used the money to fight in canadian battles that would be fine. No argument if those conditions were so.
I don't understand this countries loyalty to to these dam socialist commune militias. Free market wages and buying power have been proven over and over in RL and in game. Stop this tax evasion once and for all. Set minimum wage at a realistic number $5 -$10.
I would have no problem if the TCO got a fair split as long as:
1) the supplies go to their Canadian's members and will not be given out to foreign members (unless directed by the CP)
2) buy all supplies off the Canadian market whenever possible (of course I don't advocate paying owners that are gouging) to keep the money within our borders
3) will always wait until ordered by the CP or MoD on where they must fight for the day, as the CP should then be their Commander in Chief.
4) allow for independent verification of the above
This is what is required of the CAF so I guess fair is fair.
"Free market wages and buying power have been proven over and over in RL and in game."
Yeah, but all that funding CAF gets to purchase stuff off the free market drives the prices up for the little guy. It's hard to compete when you're paying a percentage of someone else's purchasing power of the same weapons and food you want to buy.
What's with all the hate? TCO operates BECAUSE of slave wages, it's how we are allowed to supply and be self-sufficient. I don't see the need in working against organizations that work for the benefit of eCanada. I know not everyone in the CAF supports this wage increase, but it's hard for me to take them seriously when they get their supplies practically for free. We're not asking for equal funding, just for the ability to operate.
Get informed and I like how addy doesn't choose to inform what he knows. TCO slave labour makes 3.50 a day the minimum wage increase is to 3.30.
Looks liek there';s no plot of destruction there. Just stiriing up trouble is all.
Discussion closed.
If you want to look at it from another perspective you have a country of 2000 catering to about 50 memebrs in the TCO candian branch.
Scratch your head and think about that one.
TCO min wage is 3.40 CAD, so min. wage doesn't affect them (and I should know, after that SCANDAL back in december), however, it affects the CAF's SPP wages, which are 1.20 CAD. If this is anything, it is to hurt CAF and not TCO. Or it's just another loony proposal from KT89, my congressman. Shoulda voted Beeman in Congress people! 😛
Step one: Go read the minimum wage discussion which Lavis has incorrectly linked
http://ecanada.cc/forums/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=11713
Step two: read the parts where I clearly said things like
"$3.30 is the highest we can go at this point in time without significant negative impact on charity organizations and military supply companies (I refuse to accept TCO or the mandatory SPP as charities)."
Step three: Realize that the raise took account for slave wages specifically so that TCO would not suffer.
I've got no problem if you disagree with me or think I'm a loony. Just make sure that you're attacking me on valid grounds. I went out of my way to make sure that this DIDN'T affect TCO so knock off the trolling.
Que la proposition provienne d'un ex-membre des TCO, qui cherche maintenant à se faire du capital politique auprès du HC de sa nouvelle organisation militaire (ici les CAF), cela ne me surprend nullement. Tu vas surement recevoir une promotion bientôt Kigolre Trout. Bravo! Et vive le système du chain of command...
Et maintenant, je suis sûr que l'immense majorité des CAFers au Congrès vont voter en faveur de la proposition la comme des moutons, malgré que la hausse du salaire minimum entraîne davantage d'inconvénients que de bénéfices, comme Lavis et d'autres l'ont clairement démontrer auparavant.
Lol, Kilgore, calm down, I'm just joking.
I apologize if you took that as a personal comment George. I have nothing but respect for you. My comment was directed at the angry lynch mob that seems to have it out for me. If my words were being taken out of context, that would be one thing, but what seems to be going on is that people are taking completely unrelated topics, linking them together, putting words in my mouth and portraying me as some kind of national traitor.
À propos du salaire minimum : if it is not broken, don't fix it!
De plus, c'est donc bien contagieux cette épidémie de socialisme...
its okay trout, I love fish almost as much as I love penguins.
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