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sweden, poland, and germany - proposing peace
As eUSA President I have been in talks with the Presidents of Sweden, Poland, and Germany as well as their MoFAs about this situation.
Sweden tells me that they are at an end with attacking and taking German regions. Poland says they are wrapping up too. While I know that many people do not like the state of affairs with these attacks there has been some discussion in the hidden Congress boards about proposing peace with these nations so that we can be done with this. Realistically there is little that we can do to further protect Germany. They are a small country and are in imminent danger of a PTO (political takeover). The only way to save Germany at this point is through political means rather than military ones. But that would require the populace to move and vote in the German elections instead of voting in the eUSA elections and I doubt anybody wants to do that.
In that line of thought I am proposing peace with Sweden today and Poland tomorrow. If Congress has truly changed their mind they can vote for the proposals. If they have not then that is their right. I've been in conference with them on a near daily basis on these issues. The stance of the eUSA remains neutral.
I suggest too that if Germany is saved from PTO this next election that we consider making a fund to help Germany rebuild their Q5 hospital that was lost in their war with Sweden. If every citizen donated half a gold we could easily raise the necessary gold to donate to Germany for this purpose. This would allow the citizens who support Germany to find another way to do so. Again, they can also support Germany with their votes if they are so inclined. The choice is yours.
Donations can be received at the German Relief Fund.
http://www.erepublik.com/en/organization/1514908
http://eusforum.com/index.php/topic,5196.0.html
http://www.erepublik.com/en/USA/law/7243
Sweden tells me that they are at an end with attacking and taking German regions. Poland says they are wrapping up too. While I know that many people do not like the state of affairs with these attacks there has been some discussion in the hidden Congress boards about proposing peace with these nations so that we can be done with this. Realistically there is little that we can do to further protect Germany. They are a small country and are in imminent danger of a PTO (political takeover). The only way to save Germany at this point is through political means rather than military ones. But that would require the populace to move and vote in the German elections instead of voting in the eUSA elections and I doubt anybody wants to do that.
In that line of thought I am proposing peace with Sweden today and Poland tomorrow. If Congress has truly changed their mind they can vote for the proposals. If they have not then that is their right. I've been in conference with them on a near daily basis on these issues. The stance of the eUSA remains neutral.
I suggest too that if Germany is saved from PTO this next election that we consider making a fund to help Germany rebuild their Q5 hospital that was lost in their war with Sweden. If every citizen donated half a gold we could easily raise the necessary gold to donate to Germany for this purpose. This would allow the citizens who support Germany to find another way to do so. Again, they can also support Germany with their votes if they are so inclined. The choice is yours.
Donations can be received at the German Relief Fund.
http://www.erepublik.com/en/organization/1514908
http://eusforum.com/index.php/topic,5196.0.html
http://www.erepublik.com/en/USA/law/7243
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I won't approve of this until Sweden has closed the war with the UK and Germany and Poland closes theirs with Germany.
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Voted to keep the discussion going.
I support Kyle's approach, unless Germany wishes for those wars to be kept open. We should take Germany's wishes into account if we can.
PS It was good to see scrabman being a hero fighting for Germany against Sweden.
Vote No! Lets hold out and see if Sweden/Poland duo stop the attacks first, and then declare peace. Also, the choice to fight for Germany is a good thing, and keeping it open for the public of eAmerica is a good thing!
Just my 2c.
Sounds like a wise approach
Caps?
gladys, where are you?
@Gertrude - Uncle Sam likes to fight on our side, nuff said!
As a Swede I am glad that Scrabman seem willing to act as a negotiator! Its always good to have a neutral part.
Another abject surrender by Scrabman. Go, just go!
We need a leader who will protect our allies, not propose peace to the aggressors.
Sweden will gets bored soon, if they would stop attacking Germany
Are you seriously going to let this happen? Germany needs all its regions back, nothing short of that should be accepted as terms for peace with the Swedish barbarians.
Thanks to the Hungarian president coming here to try and destroy for the US and Sweden. So the Hungarian president wants us to keep fighting I assume!
I thought we were neutral. Whyever would Scrab be a Hero of a war for Germany?
Well written Scrabman.
I hope the wars are ended soon. Didn't know a new front would open today. Regarding the German Hospital, wasn't that a gift from Indonesia..?
Just like the DS was a 'gift' from Sweden.
@ wingfield let's look at the opposite. Before atlantis was dead we had to follow the rules of that alliance. The Sweden/Germany conflict started before alliance was dead - therefore we are required by contract to stay out of the conflict, scrab followed the rules as they were written. Had we jumped into the fray we would not have been in a position to fight in croatia help romania, and save Spain from a PTO. Now that the conflict is over, we are in a position to be a mediator.
Germany wasn't exactly innocent in the entire affair
agreed with Kyle's approach.
scrab, why exactly is it our responsibility to help Germany rebuild? If we refused to defend them and refused to enter into an alliance with them, why are we prepared to spend so much money on a hospital that may likely end up falling into enemy hands anyway? Why are we obligated to do this?
Voted. As acting as a neutral party in this conflict, we have actually have a better chance of helping Germany.
I dont know what are you talking about. As a citizen of Poland I totally disagree with you.
I wouldn't mind peace, as long as we can have other frontiers.
@ Zelechoski
I dunno, but he was!
<a href="http://i40.tinypic.com/ou5e13.jpg" target="_blank">http://i40.tinypic.com/ou5e13.jpg</a>
I hope Germany can recover
USA you allways was halping germany and seling others to rusians thx in real world and in eR
"Sweden tells me that they are at an end with attacking and taking German regions. Poland says they are wrapping up too."
Well, they were lying, weren't they?
Poland attacks bavaria - Germany and seems to overrun us! That would be the end for germany until there is our only hospital!
Please help us in this battle! :o
...to "FURTHER" protect Germany???
Now that is hilarious!
"and I doubt anybody wants to do that."
I'm sorry, but I've seen enough American troops voting abroad. That really is no argument.
"Sweden tells me that they are at an end with attacking and taking German regions. Poland says they are wrapping up too."
Apparantly they have been feeding you misinformation.
Sweden and Poland are just attacking another THREE german regions, including our last hospital.
Ummm Defend Bavaria!!! <a href="http://www.erepublik.com/en/battles/show[..]/6599" target="_blank">http://www.erepublik.com/en/battles/show[..]/6599</a> NO DUH
How much Poland and Sweden want Peace you can see here:
<a href="http://www.erepublik.com/en/battles/show/6599" target="_blank">http://www.erepublik.com/en/battles/show[..]6599</a>
and here:
<a href="http://www.erepublik.com/en/battles/show/6600" target="_blank">http://www.erepublik.com/en/battles/show[..]6600</a>
and here:
<a href="http://www.erepublik.com/en/battles/show/6597" target="_blank">http://www.erepublik.com/en/battles/show[..]6597</a>
That are the battles from today!! Say NO! to the peace proposal, coz Sweden and Poland won't any true peace before Germany is wipped out of the map!
Look carefully at what Scrabman said.
"Poland will soon be wrapping things up."
Apparently, they meant they'd be soon wrapping up Germany.
If they get Bavaria, they'll take Germany's last remaining hospital. Then, Germans won't be able to defend themselves at all.
I guess Poland fooled Scrabman in a bad way.. und besides, with all this Spam articles with "defend thuring".
I hope the states really stay on the right side. with actions like the poland ones, there's no need to add anything else.
Normally I would say that it is the right way. Normally diplomatic is the better and the first option before war, thats clear. But eSweden and especially ePoland betrayed you and your Nation. They are still attacking, and they are attacking our Capital hard. So we need the help of our allies, especially the help of the eUSA, the great country with whom we were close friends since years. Please dont let us alone!
Its true, we are a small country, which cant help you. But we are growing at the moment, new citizens coming and they should have the chance to live in their own country! And it is not in the interest of eUSA to have two strong enemies on the european continent like eSweden and ePoland would be after defeating eGermany.
So please stay helping us fighting against ePoland and eSweden!!!
Best regards,
Julian
Mr. President,
I appreciate your attempts to remain neutral between our allies, even though one of those allies was blatantly the aggressor.
You have been walking a political tightrope for a long time.
You tried to negotiate peace between these countries, and based on the above article, thought that had been achieved.
Meanwhile, you were being lied to.
I believe you said in one of your past articles that if it came to a point where Germany was about to be wiped off the map, you would intervene.
That point has arrived. Germany is losing Bavaria. If it loses Bavaria, it will lose its' last hospital, and soon after, Germany will be gone from the map.
The time for listening to rationalizations and negotiating with liars has ended.
Please do the right thing and unleash the Marines and the National Guard on the Poles in Bavaria.
Your friend,
JBB
I agree with bluejacket.
For reference, here are some of scrabman's earlier words on the matter:
"...but we also remain poised to help Germany in the event of a double cross or if any of the nations currently attacking her get too greedy."
@ wagsman:
Try to read next time.
1. I'm not Hungarian.
2. I'm 100% against PTO's. The average citizen I know is 100% against PTO's as well but considers it part of the game now the admins have not done anything against it for almost a year.
3. You already state YOURSELF exactly what I said in my post. Scrabman here claims noone would move to vote abroad, but exactly as you state, they DO. So why can't they vote in Germany? Not because there are no people who vote abroad instead of the USA elections.
L2R
Any citizen who wants to support Germany actively, even after USA signed peace, should contact me.
Bavaria is Germany's last stronghold, hosting the only remaining hospital in the entire country.
<a href="http://www.erepublik.com/en/battles/show[..]6599" target="_blank">http://www.erepublik.com/en/battles/show[..]6599</a>
Its survival is of the highest priority and of utmost importance. If we lose this battle, we will have lost the war!
We plead for ur help! :o
Greedily I say I'd rather see every citizen donate 1/2 gold to build a Q5 hospital in Wisconsin , Alaska , or the next most populous state , or even the state with the most active citizenry.
Sadly if the political infrastructure is so weak as to allow for a PTO then there is really nothing we can do short of giving them 2 things. Muscle and Votes. Short of these things there is no way we as a country can secure the political power in a country such as Germany.
The takeover was temporary because it was achieved by cheating, and when the cheaters were banned the PTO failed. If you think that only weak countries get PTO'd please remember that both Spain and Indonesia narrowly avoided a PTO. Neither of those are weak countries.
hold on he he he poverty
I had already sent 10 gold to eGermany and Lord knows I can't afford it. I've wiped out any excess funds in purchasing weapons to help in their fight on a daily basis.
After all that you've done for the eGerman cause, best to just keep quiet on the issue, after all that's what you've done to this point.
Utter failure.
Vote=No
Since they are wrapping up taking over Germany, you are now proposing peace??????? LOL First, I am laughing that Scrabman is naive enough to believe either country. Second, um, that wouldn't be declaring peace, that's called stating the obvious. How do you break up a fight after they are done fighting? We need someone to NEGOTIATE peace, not just state it's over when they feel like they are done. Hell, my 5 year old can do that.Have you been taking notes from old George W. Bush presidential speeches?
*facepalm*
Saying "Sweden tells me that they are at an end with attacking and taking German regions"
Doesn't mean they have FULLY STOPPED. It indicates that it will stop SOON...
yes...we will stop soon.....WHEN GERMANY IS NO MORE !!!!!!!
Vote for this:
<a href="http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/defend-germany-official-orders-from-bundeswehr--815506/1/20" target="_blank">http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/defe[..]1/20</a>
<a href="http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/official-orders-day-556--815384/1/20" target="_blank">http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/offi[..]1/20</a>
<a href="http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/glaubt-nicht-dem-feind-verteidigt-bavaria--815467/1/20" target="_blank">http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/glau[..]1/20</a>
<a href="http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/dont-believe-the-f-enemys-fight-for-bavaria--815459/1/20" target="_blank">http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/dont[..]1/20</a>
<a href="http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/attention-media-spam-from-the-enemy-815471/1/20" target="_blank">http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/atte[..]1/20</a>
<a href="http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/-urgent-battle-orders-for-day-556-defend-bavaria--815374/1/20" target="_blank">http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/-urg[..]1/20</a>
for eGermany and a strong alliance!
NO its not weakness, its that a majority of the Citizens who are active left. COngressmen who couldn't leave bunched up together in the remaining regions and watered down the already diminished pool of German votes thus giving the PTO a chance.
well in truth i dont know whether or not to propose peace but if we can help germany to where they will be an alliance with us... you people get the rest right??? we scratch their back they scratch ours when we need help. so rethink about this ok people.
Is this Germany's fight or USA's fight? That's the question.
eGermany should consider their security before igniting powder kegs.
we should not have peace with sweden till they make a peace agreement with germany.
The German People need our help, regardless of the circumstances of the war. Just donated some Gold and Cash to help.
Does this mean no more fighting in Germany for you, Scrab? How will you achieve your war hero titles?
First of all - don't believe that ePoland will be in any respect an enemy of the eUSA. We're only after Germany, and NO, we are not an incarnation of Satan. We just kick the shit out of Germans for occupation of our country in the past. And I mean eRepublik past, not real history. This is only a game here. Now, that's true we're wrapping up. As soon as the last German region falls into our hands.
Why I recommend you, American people, this peace proposal? It's pure pragmatism. You obviously can't save Germany, unless you put ALL your military might in the fight (sorry for rhyming). You have a weak ally, too weak to waste more money, resources and people's energy on them. And I think, you don't want to be involved in pointless military activity every other day, don't you?
mr Cyclops, average soldier from Poland.
"And I think, you don't want to be involved in pointless military activity every other day, don't you?"
Actually we do. We call it war games.
"In that line of thought I am proposing peace with Sweden today and Poland tomorrow."
"The stance of the eUSA remains neutral."
The first statement invalidates the second. We could not make peace if we were neutral. We can only do so because we are currently at war. Nations at war are not neutral by definition. We remain at war until Congress makes peace. If a President had the authority to unilaterally declare neutrality, Congress wouldn't have to vote on ending the war.
Why dont we actually use this as an opportunity to push some of our objectives. We could require lower import taxes, an alliance, or atelast a NAP. Why would we want to surrender our footing. They want to reopen trade when they are the ones who decided to close it. I say let them rot until they atleast provide us with a detailed document of what they offer to get peace, or they close out their other wars.
Why we always leave our allies ?
Why we can't help them ?
<a href="http://www.erepublik.com/de/article/germany-don-t-want-peace-only-the-final-and-rightful-victory-815901/1/20" target="_blank">http://www.erepublik.com/de/article/germ[..]/1/20</a>
It's difficult to think that Sweden and Poland are seriously considering peace with the current attacks, especially one where Germany will be losing more land.
I agree with scrabman, if it was a few days ago
With the recent attacks...
It sounds reasonable enough under the circumstances of last week maybe. Only problem is that Poland and Sweden don't care. Dont know what you negotiated with them but they must have understood the opposite?
There wont be any next election for Germany as it will cease to exist. with approval of the US president. Respectively you can also keep those donations and rather build a hospital for your own citizens. Your article suggest that you either have been badly fooled or you are dangerously misinformed for a president. Both, which I cannot believe. I personally think you are trying to package the german wipe-out with a nice little bow around it as you know your passive stance in this affair could backfire at the next election.
I say don't peace them out, it is our personal choice if we fight for Germany or not. And I will continue fighting.
Who should you mingle with. A (not so)serious gudide for the undecided can be found here:
<a href="http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/who-should-you-mingle-with-a-not-so-serious-guide-for-the-undecided1-816039/1/20]" target="_blank">http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/who-[..]1/20]</a>
So they spend the last week telling us how much we suck and just generally attacking us with propaganda and now they want peace?! They can eat a big pile of dog **** imo.
LOL about eUSA neutral position!
Count the german articles in the USA media for some days. I'm sure they will be quite many.
I have donated two gold pieces. Hope it helps, President Scrabman.
o7 Hail eUSA! Hail eGermany!
Give me a break!!!
USA had an ATLANTIS obligation to protect another ATLANTIS member (Germany)
USA had an obligation under the guise of an MPP to assist Germany.
No military assistance was given by the Government of the USA to Germany, therefore this administration betrayed their word twice by inaction.
Now they want to have peace with someone they never had a war with?
This eUSA administration is full of opportunists to the core at the expense of their integrity!
ATLANTIS fell apart, or did you not get that memo?
What? Is eGermany trying to hide behind our coattails and have us fight the fight for them? Be thankful that while we're neutral in our official stance that individuals are taking advantage of the MPP.
Don't throw stones if you can't take the repercussions. Both eGermany and eSweden were allies to the eUSA, and now eGermany has been the most vocal nation trying to get us involved in this crap. You know, this crap that they themselves created.
I know both sides of the fence here from eGermany and eSwedes are bashing eUSA, but if people actually DID SOME DAMN RESEARCH you'd see that eUSA should remain strictly neutral cause the whole damn situation is nothing but bullcrap.
Let alone PEACE was trying to spread propaganda in having eUSA assisting eGermany. I wonder why.
First of all eUSA is not neutral. It is in the war against the Swedes and the Poles. It is the duty of eUSA to defend its ally or there is no point to alliances in the first place.
Second the Swedes and the Poles wants "neutrality" which in other words inaction. What president scrabman, Swedes, and Poles want right now is eUSA inaction so that both the Swedes and the Poles can easier take Germany territory for themselves. Also this gives them legitimacy to their conquest as other nations did not go against their campaign.
One must think of this "neutrality"/ inaction. If "neutrality" / inaction favors one side at the expense of another it is not "neutrality" In this conflict there is no "neutrality." Either we fight for what is our duty which is on the side of the Germans, or we don't do anything and appeasing the aggressors. Yes, ending the war is appeasement since doing going against the aggressors is just a hand over of territory and what is next, UK? Until they have a reasonable peace plan known to the public and that Germany will not disappear, we should fight the Swedes and the Poles.
@Elderon: I have not seen any German or Swedish article bashing the US. But surely you must agree that this article is somewhat controversial and therefore sparks debate, considering the recent development?
secondly, scrabman did fight himself against Poland, which at the moment is attacking Bavaria, the last region with a Hospital in Germany. Contrary to what scrabman said in his article, Poland officially declared they wont stop until Germany is wiped off the map. I respect your plea for neutrality and I know its not your war, but can you really turn a blind eye to 'eGenozide', in favour of an alliance that, as you said yourself "fell apart"?
Furthermore i'd argue that this war has long gone beyond whatever reason eGermany brought on themselves.
haha, this is so funny. Good joke bro
We support Germany. We support them not. We support Germany. We support them not. We support Germany?
Bavaria has been lost. Thanks to the USA Government for sticking to your word.
In all seriousness thank you to all the American citizens who refused to listen to your falsely informed government, and continued fighting for our freedom.
Liberate Occupied Germany
<a href="http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/oh-no-he-didn-t--815579/1/20" target="_blank">http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/oh-n[..]/1/20</a>
The USA should destroy Sweden.
This is the real scrabman: <a href="http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/oh-no-he-didn-t--815579/1/20" target="_blank">http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/oh-n[..]/1/20</a>
Quite funny that Germany is to small in population to make an alliance with. Espcially when the US can make alliances with such powerful countries like Malaysia.
My guess is that scrabman thinks there might be anew alliance coming up with the old ATLANTIS Powerhouses, and he wants to join them. So if he would support Germany against Sweden, that might let him be left out. And if he would join sweden already, it would be bad Propaganda.
My guess is that sooner or later scrabman wil try to join a new alliance with Swe, Ro, Cro, Sp and Pol
The US got taken.
Our President was lied to.
We were promised peace, just before another Pearl Harbor happened.
I don't know about Sweden, but Poland is a government of liars.
At least Sweden hasn't attacked since then, but Poland has proven that their government is full of liars.
Good luck trying to take Asia, Poland. You'll get eaten up in a month, and no one will cry when Poland disappears off the planet.
Ahhhh...now our president got lied to. Didn't certain congressman warn against this? And what about his lies?
"...but we also remain poised to help Germany in the event of a double cross or if any of the nations currently attacking her get too greedy."
Did he live up to this?
Why were our troops in Italy for a PTO?
Why were certain troops allowed to fight in resistance wars in Turkey (Greece) while others were threatened with discharge for fighting alongside Germany?
It doesn't all quite add up. Then again, this is what you get when you allow a rogue president to do as he pleases.
i was rolling on the floor, when I read your comments. We're liers,lol? We didn't promese that we stop atack Germany. Be serious. Are you expect that we stop doing this. Never!!!
Screw Germany.
I'm going to vote NO on this also
maxpayne50
~GA Congressman~
USA, you should be ashamed. Land of the free! You're pathetic!
So wheres your defense for defying your own orders and fighting in the German/Sweed war?
Carry out your own punishment and boot yourself from the military sense we know your CO wont do it as hes a tool.
Poland does not seem to be stopping, this leaves me very angry