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Time to sharpen the knives!! This Congress makes me sick, only 2 good people in it! Bah!!
We're the people with balls? Come on, let's invade the UK now, for attacking our best friend and brother the Norwegians!! o7

before you start pointing fingers about leaving eden and going pink. that "plot" is us the congress making sure you the people get your change to decide the future of our country.

and good luck with your bid for a congress seat! (which party will you run for?)

The congress is a democratic institute that has the right to vote, even if you have a totally different view.. You should respect democracy!

Plse don't go pink on us "the People" theres more honour in fighting for what is ours to start with.
Coz if we sell out to those pink loving gay piggies , the rest of the world will never take us seriously or trust us anymore .
Than we really are puppets & servants and nobody in a right state of mind will ever help us to liberate ourselfs.

In my point of view it's better to die on your feet than to live on your knees

I agree with van Spijck. This congress is not ruling in name of the people. There are only a few 'good' congressmembers right now. We need a new congress, period.

I'll be running for congress myself, for I think, this congress does not represent the people right now.

@Kordak: This congress was elected democratically indeed, but the set of cards changed, and they are ruling for themselves now, ignoring the opinion of the people, for they are ruling ever since (we had no elections..)! And now they are selling out our country?! Atsan respects democracy, for he wants to see a new congress. This congress is outdated and ruling for a long, long time..

Fight for our freedom, or die trying! I shall not live under the ePolish yoke, I am sick of it, and so are other citizens..

This kind of actions is making me sick... Bah!!

And it's making me sick too how the SC of our Alliance thinks of the Dutch Congress.

Are you serious, van Spijck? Even if you were negotiating the first treaty alongside our CP?

"And it's making me sick too how the SC of our Alliance thinks of the Dutch Congress."

+1

"And it's making me sick too how the SC of our Alliance thinks of the Dutch Congress."

+2

On top of that, this :
"Unfortunately congress was lured in by an English multi, who agreed to pay 23.000 cc from his “own” pocket to seal the deal. The only thing congress could see is dollar signs in congress-medal-gold and the chance to be important again in erep-congress."

I would literally LOVE to hear your explaination about how that is in any way relevant to me. :>

"And it's making me sick too how the SC of our Alliance thinks of the Dutch Congress."

+3

"And it's making me sick too how the SC of our Alliance thinks of the Dutch Congress."

+4

Suprisingly you all get sick over someone's opinion now that he made it to become SC of EDEN. Now, that is troublesome. Why should he not be entitled to his own opinion on the matter. He is just chosen by the CP's to serve their interest by leading our alliance.

Don't make this about EDEN, it is about the fact that this kind of humiliating deals should not be accepted, But hey, just my opinion and apparently the majority in Congress thinks otherwise.

@Zeeuwsmeisje: Unfortunately, you are right about the current majority in Congress. And yes, the deal IS humiliating..

The current vote going on in Congress is not to leave or stay in EDEN. We just voted all in favour so far I might add to hold a referendum to give you the people the right to vote on whether we stay in EDEN or go. I have long been against leaving EDEN and will vote to stay. So please stop twisting things, we are handing the power to you on this one.

The question is what benefit does Atsan have to publish information which is classified, but his own?
Yes I voted yes on the treaty and would do that again, what does it benefit me personally? Nothing, nada. Actually if I really wanted to stay in congress and use my "powers" I would vote no, so that while we're wiped I can stay congressman! Why I voted yes is simple, we did not have a providence and for relatively no cost we were able to have a country again. Which I believe is in the benefit for the e-dutch citizens. That is and always will be the only reason of voting on a any congress matter.

i for one am glad congressional votes are open by all 2 see, like they should be,

so we can actually see what those we vote for, vote for.

its easy to betray your country behind anonimity, you should be able to do so in the open as well.

Yes I voted in favor of this agreement. It was practically paid for by what later appeared to be a fake eUK/ePL account. We had the possibility to end it every month without any costs (other than going back homeless).

The benefit would be that we at least had one region at a what then looked like marginal cost (it could be payed for by the congress tax). We would have our own market back, have some production bonuses again AND most important have the right to democratically choose a new congress once again. The terms weren't in our favour, but with EDEN falling apart we won't stand any chance against the pink. So I voted yes for a treaty that was the best of a lot of bad or impossible other options.

Don't get me wrong; I am for this one month deal. It would be unwise to trow that away now. Plus we could use it now, to declare war on the UK for invading our close friend and ally Norway. And having new Congress elections and cs passes is needed. But a lot of shady things have happened here. Congres still voted on a different deal then the one that got signed by the NL gov.

Sandax +1. We cannot be blamed of the treaty to be changed later also.

@ Kordak: As soon as Congress stops representing the will of the people, democracy ends and congress is not a democratic institute anymore. Yes, you do have the right to vote, but according to the wishes of those you represent. It is YOU who should respect democracy!

frankie, if you really think a real democracy has a congress, you fail 2 realise what true democracyis

In a few days we can vote for a new congress. We need a new one to bring back stability in the country. Besides of that, Atsan has leaked classified information. The congressman should have the right to express their opinion, without now getting attacked. He broke democracy and I hope this restores.

If there is a need for secrecy, then something is wrong. Any person leading should be comfortable with the way he does it and thus not afraid for letting their opinions be known. You will have people against you and you will have people rooting for you. That is the nature of things. When for any reason you seem to lose the support of the people, then it is time for someone else to step up.

Just hiding facts because you are afraid people wont support you is totally against any form of democracy. That way people have no way of knowing if their representative is actually representing them or just playing his own game (literally and figuratively).

You might call this a leak and technically it is of course since it's making congress votes public in-game where they need to be preserved on our forum. On our forum this vote should have been public so all eDutch citizens could have taken knowledge but it wasn't. So "leaking" inside our forum would have been more wise...

The vote itself was on a slightly different treaty that resulted in payment by others then ourselves. But even that treaty couldn't get my personal approvement as it forced us to pay in the future for that what is rightfully ours.

As for the comment of van Spijck; That might not have been very wise but it is a logical result of the discussions the last 6 months and mainly the fact that a couple of people voted the opposite as the always said they would. Some of them even stated (publicly) to be against any treaty. Even the one van Spijck signed that gave us 2 regions back at no cost at all. So the simple fact that it's now visible what they really voted could be painful.

Furthermore; Since van Spijck is currently in charge of HQ and we are part of EDEN he's entitled to give his opinion on our nation, gov and congress as we are part of his responsibility. Some people will not like that but I challenge them to get the results van Spijck is getting.

To be honest, I think this is a very badly written article with a lot of lies in it.

It's true, I voted YES and I would do the same for the same treaty under the same conditions. The only bad thing about this treaty is that it's creates a precedent, because technically we are paying for our own regions.

In the first treaty, the payment was done by somebody else, probably an eUK or ePolish multi, and we would have our regions back for 3 months.

In those 3 months:
We could finally have a new congress, which is a +
Our income would rise, which is a +
Our nation could grow again, which is a +

Those facts made me vote yes and would made me vote yes in the future again.

And concerning staying in Eden, there are some people who want to leave Eden (I think it's a small group) and who wants a referendum so the people of eNL can decide about such an important matter.

Although I don't want to leave Eden, I think it's important the people can be heard and if (what I don't think is very likely and also really unwise) the majority of the eNL society wants to leave Eden, then this is their chance.

I don't agree starting a referendum, since congress hasn't been reelected for such a long time, is a plot. It's a way to give people the possibility to give their opinion and vote which they couldn't do for a long time, so it's really a bullshit argument

Actually RikW summarises everything quite ok.
In addition having a region allows for us to participate in NE missions in case they appear again.

Also, the accusation that a powerhungry congress wants new congress elections is simply ridiculous. A power-hungry congress would not risk losing power... Now that we're firmly seated let's see how to get wiped asap, to prevent this unfortunate event. 😛

The original deal was a good one, as it virtually gave us a region for 3 months without payment. The new one is not. After the first free month, I don't see any reasons to continue paying such a ridiculous amount, unless a referendum is held in which the people decide that we should proceed.

I'm not that long in this business but there are some principels which I want to share with you.

Who are we? We are eNetherlands
What are we? A bunch of enthousiastic dutch people (At least the most of us are)
What is supposed to be our land? The Northern, eastern, western and southern Netherlands. That are 4 regions.
How many regions do we got now? Only 1 region

So we are supposed to have 4 regions at least and we only got 1 region for which we have to pay 10k each month!

Are we crazy! We are going to pay those polish 10k each month for getting 1 of our regions back?

That's called exploitation!

We are divided and are arguing which each other and it leads too? Nothing. Have we forgot why the only and first crusade against Jerusalem was a succes? Because the moslims where divided.

Lets form a big vist and show those polish that we are strong together and we do not tolerate exploitation of something that actually have to be already ours.

Come on, what is this kind of weakness, cooperative with the polish, blergh!

Kind regards,

Bart

Kazziman, if you look at it as negative as possible we still only pay (after current conversion) about 2500NLG as congressmembers gain 5gold and pay 2.5 gold to the state.That gold we don't have right now. Besides this it will be a boost of people buying stuff in eNL (taxes) and not having to move so much for fighting as we have now (hence losing movingcosts).

Hmmm... I don't think its good to give too much of ourselves away. At least not for too long. Let us get back our strenght and then at some moment.......

Kazziman: We have 518 Active citizens, Poland has 10926. We are an active bunch and have some active military, but it's a illusion to think we can free ourselves without help and it'll be tough even with help. An agreement like this gives us some breathing room en possibility to vote for a congress again

Poland got a lots of regions. That means they got a lots of enemys. What if we contact every enemy and making sure we take every region 1 by 1 back. Come on, instead of worry about our own congress which is divided, just make sure we get better and intimate alliances.

If we work together we can make sure we get poland back to their homeland!

@Kazziman: With all due respect, that has been tried by almost every single nation in the eWorld, and all have failed to slay the big pink monster.

Well let's start to make a difference then. That it failed so much isn't a reason it can't be fixed in the future.

Really, if we make sure we get good contacts with the other countries and make sure we attack every day at 1 time 1 region we can defeat them.

It's possible!

Only problem now is, who is going to contact those other countries?

You?