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Stupid decision is stupid

Day 1,564, 17:52 by mihail.cazacu

So let's recap:

1) For whatever reasons, most of the Bulgarian players don't want Turkey in EDEN. Yes, that doesn't make strategic sense. At all. And eRepublik is a game of strategy, not Farmville. But that is how the things are now and that is the reality we need to work with;

2) Bulgaria has the right to veto Turkey's membership in EDEN. All the countries who join EDEN do so in full knowledge that one day a single country might have a different opinion than anybody else. That opinion might not make any strategic sense. But as long as a country has the right to veto another country, this is the reality we need to work with;

3) The "creativity" is highly damaging when somebody tries to "creatively" bend the rules in the midst of a conflict situation;

4) Both in Real Life and in this game, if somebody behaves in a way that seems illogical, the best approach is to take a closer look at what is really going on.

More to the point:

- Those who opposed Turkey's membership weren't a monolithic bloc. Out of the 62% who said NO in the referendum, the hardliners represented slightly less than 20%. How do we know that? By adding all the votes received by the "anti-Turkey no matter what" candidates. The other 42% remembered Turkey's recent behavior in-game;

- Those who were against Turkey's membership because of Turkey's past behavior would change their mind in case Turkey's current behavior changes as well.

If Turkey fights now for say Finland, that's not changed behavior. That's expected behavior.

Turkey sabotaged Bulgaria's attempt to get access to resources in the past, while being allied with Bulgaria. A changed behavior would be to allow Bulgaria's access to resources without being allied to Bulgaria. To give Bulgaria access to resources while being allied to Bulgaria would be like fighting for Finland - an expected behavior, nothing extraordinary and therefore nothing impressive;

So all what the members of EDEN HQ and the presidents needed to do was to think for a while and dig deeper into publicly available information.

The results of the elections were public, the results of the referendum were public, the list of in-game problems between Turkey and Bulgaria was also published in the newspaper of the Bulgarian Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

So what should we understand from how some members of the HQ and some presidents (unfortunately 9 of them) dealt with the publicly available information?

That they were unable to piece the information together?

That they didn't bother to look the information up?

That they understood what was really going on in Bulgaria but didn't care?

In addition to that easily available public information, there were a few more additional pieces of info which could have helped.

Say we are convinced the Bulgarians are chauvinists who just hate Turks. Very well, we still need to understand why. A very superficial reading of Wikipedia could turn out two pieces of information:

1) That Bulgaria's national hero Vasil Levski was hanged by the Turks in February 1873 and that episode is commemorated every year. It's in the media, in schools, in official ceremonies etc every February.

What does it mean?

It means that even those people who do not mix a stupid Internet game with Real Life would have hard time to put a lot of energy into defending good in-game relations with Turkey during the month of February. It would sound bizarre given the context and sane people don't do odd things for the sake of a computer game.

2) Yet another superficial use of Wikipedia would have revealed that March 3rd is the Liberation Day in Bulgaria. Liberation from what? If you thought "500 years of Turkish occupation" you guessed it right. Just like the commemoration of Vasil Levski, Liberation Day is all over the media, etc.

So how smart is it to get Bulgaria punished for her in-game conflict with Turkey on March 3rd?

Due to what happens in Real Life to the people who play this game, even those who are careful to keep eRepublik separate from life have hard time to accept the sanctions.

And sanctions for what?! For exercising the right to veto (even though it makes more sense to accept Turkey as an ally) and for trying to get by force the resources Turkey (allegedly EDEN-friendly) doesn't need?

Yes, it's true the sanctions are void of any real significance (a real in-game sanction would be to refuse to sign MPPs with Bulgaria or to RW the Bulgarian colonies in Russia).

Yes, it's also true that if Bulgaria's attempts to gain those resources by force drives Turkey away, EDEN will be back in trouble.

But if Bulgaria leaves because the members of the HQ and 9 presidents didn't bother to use the publicly available info, is EDEN better off?!

Fortunately there is a solution at hand very soon: the Presidential elections on March 5th.

If we manage to elect people who do their homework before voting sanctions we can avoid the same type of stupid decisions at least for the next month.

So vote carefully!

 

Comments

xongorx
xongorx Day 1,564, 17:57

So you will PTO them cucumberists again?

Boyan
Boyan Day 1,564, 18:00

mihail u r the best!

Janis Gustavian
Janis Gustavian Day 1,564, 18:01

Countries do not have "behaviours", CPs have; and suprise, CPs change every month. It is dumb to blame or like countries for their "behaviours" for some term, just dumb.

end of discussion.

didi210
didi210 Day 1,564, 18:12

Thanks, mihail!

Wildrunner
Wildrunner Day 1,564, 18:13

mihail, what's done cannot be undone. Just when I thought EDEN HQ cannot do more BS on us they surprised me again.

mihail, I see you honestly care about the union. Instead of writing such articles you should have seen long ago where this HQ is leading the union and should have supported the people who asked for a change. Now it's kinda late....

T Y L E R D U R D E N
T Y L E R D U R D E N Day 1,564, 18:21

Great article

Voted Hard!

nexus2012
nexus2012 Day 1,564, 18:33

What is done is done. No more games. Bulgaria and Turkey had months to deal with this and did nothing but destabilized EDEN. They both wanted to play hard. Now they got hard. Move is on Bulgaria.

Vesko S. Petkov
Vesko S. Petkov Day 1,564, 18:34

о/

Kemal Ergenekon
Kemal Ergenekon Day 1,564, 18:38

I don't agree with you on the "dangerous dates" thing. If Bulgarians are nationalists, they are. If they are not, they wouldn't care anyway.

Some hero bla bla killed by Turks so many years ago. So what? My girlfriend and her family faced many cruelties, and had to flee Bulgaria in 1990. Not a century ago, 1990. And what do I do about it? Nothing, I call the Bulgarian players my brothers despite the past of our countries.

So please quit defending nationalistic chauvinism. It never made sense, it will never make sense. That's just ethnic discrimination.

Dreico
Dreico Day 1,564, 18:39

v

Kemal Ergenekon
Kemal Ergenekon Day 1,564, 18:40

"Turkey sabotaged Bulgaria's attempt to get access to resources in the past, while being allied with Bulgaria."

Turkey got nearly deleted while it was trying to help Bulgaria access new resources. Date Summer 2010, when Bulgaria and Turkey were in Phoenix, during the presidency of the original BattalGazi.

Papa Zaek
Papa Zaek Day 1,564, 18:42

Strong vote!

eDuH uDeoT
eDuH uDeoT Day 1,564, 18:50

Vote

SmileBG
SmileBG Day 1,564, 18:52

Thank you \o/

Sir Baileys
Sir Baileys Day 1,564, 18:58

always on time and place! o7

Wildrunner
Wildrunner Day 1,564, 18:59

What is done is done. No more games. Bulgaria and Turkey had months to deal with this and did nothing but destabilized EDEN. They both wanted to play hard. Now they got hard. Move is on Bulgaria.
______

LOL, fcking hypocrite blaming others for EDEN HQ mistakes. When will the EDEN HQ suspend itself?

LitoII
LitoII Day 1,564, 19:03

Thank you, my friend!

Mr Esato
Mr Esato Day 1,564, 19:26

Voted !!!

Adolfus Magnus
Adolfus Magnus Day 1,564, 19:48

This one is very good, indeed.

Papa Zaek
Papa Zaek Day 1,564, 20:30

"Some hero bla bla killed by Turks so many years ago. "

Мамицата ти турска, нито съм националист нито съм анти-турчин ама това което каза тоя глупак ме изнерви...

4040
4040 Day 1,564, 20:41

v+s

ckdot
ckdot Day 1,564, 21:15

i don't want Turkey in EDEN either

CEBT III
CEBT III Day 1,564, 21:37

Bulgaria should join ONE,eden is dead.

FallenBG
FallenBG Day 1,564, 21:40

kemal ataturk bla bla did something bla bla and he is bla bla...

FallenBG
FallenBG Day 1,564, 21:40

o7 mihail

BebeOmega
BebeOmega Day 1,564, 22:05

Kemal, you call our hero a bla bla and then you call us brother? U mad?

mihail, nice article but mind you if now there is a referendum once more regarding Turkey's future in EDEN, I can assure you the votes AGAINST will be AT LEAST 90% and this is all HQ doings. They thought they are just too smart and made it so that even then people who were not so against Turkey in EDEN, have changed their minds completely

I for one was one of this people. I admit I was among this 32% but not anymore! And I can assure you I am not the only one!

piesee
piesee Day 1,564, 22:07

Vote! I think we have to wait next CPs and their resolution of the problem. Bulgarian were a good Eden's ally and member once and for sure we dont want to go in ONE /what will happen if we quite Eden/, I believe we could be an good allies again if eTurkey is out of the Union.

RECTOR of TU Gabrovo
RECTOR of TU Gabrovo Day 1,564, 22:35

vote

smee again
smee again Day 1,564, 22:49

"Yes, it's true the sanctions are void of any real significance (a real in-game sanction would be to refuse to sign MPPs with Bulgaria or to RW the Bulgarian colonies in Russia)."

We do NOT fight against allies or friends. P.S. You do realize you are suggesting they do more to penalize Bulgaria then they already did.

"So what should we understand from how some members of the HQ and some presidents (unfortunately 9 of them) dealt with the publicly available information?"

You shouldn't speak down to them, I don't know why you think you have the right to. You do realize this is the majority of EDEN CP's who represent the majority of EDEN players.

"But if Bulgaria leaves because the members of the HQ and 9 presidents didn't bother to use the publicly available info, is EDEN better off?!"

If you cared, you wouldn't be publishing articles like this to inflame the situation. This article is an attempt at populism.

eDarkSoul
eDarkSoul Day 1,564, 22:55

smee .. just stop crying ..

Constantinos
Constantinos Day 1,565, 23:05

smee again it's a disgrace to even imply that in this decision the CP's represent the majority of EDEN players, this is simply a lie.

Articles like this is the only thing that can keep the brotherhood united despite the TREMENDOUS stupidity shown by EDEN HQ.

Ektonosiakos
Ektonosiakos Day 1,565, 23:14

v

Perrin Aibara
Perrin Aibara Day 1,565, 23:33

Smee go kill yourself.

Talys
Talys Day 1,565, 23:44

Vote

Joe Rox
Joe Rox Day 1,565, 23:44

The nicest article I've read in a while.

Wildrunner
Wildrunner Day 1,565, 23:46

smee again doesn't approve this article, delete it before you're suspended.

Perrin Aibara
Perrin Aibara Day 1,565, 23:49

I still wonder what did they hope to achieve by suspending us. And ppl like Smee & Romper are just adding fuel to the fire...

4orapisnametalo
4orapisnametalo Day 1,565, 23:49

Vote

Perrin Aibara
Perrin Aibara Day 1,565, 23:50

And yes great idea doing ot 3rd March. Nice job EDEN HQ.

tizaharieva
tizaharieva Day 1,565, 23:59

Thanks, mihail!

RoterDrache
RoterDrache Day 1,565, 00:09

o7
VOTED!

invaluable
invaluable Day 1,565, 00:23

One question:
Did YOU see TERRA members going butt hurt, writing qq-ing articles, like 24/7, about HOW COME eRussia veto'ed eTurkey as well?

Since we all know the answer, all I can say is QQ MOAR, especially you, SmeeIGotInternetAdminFriendsAgain.

That's all

Simonymous
Simonymous Day 1,565, 00:26

Just a little correction - it was not a 500 years occupation but 500 years of slavory : )

@Kemal, cruelties? Communists just changed the names of turks for several years, so? Achmed Dogan killed women and children because of that and now he's turkish agent again. Your country is trying to enslave us again with the help of US and the f*ckin cionists.

RL issues off/

EDEN HQ's advisors and turkey will always be my NE. I don't care if they pay for 1 gazillion damage. I'll do my best against them. Romper, BattalGazi, zdlemmy and all other retards, I don't care that you're spoiled children with Master Cards. I'll not listen to you cuz I'm a Bulgarian. May be in your countries spending money for a game is more appriciated than having love for your nationality, idk. I don't believe so, but may be you thing it is?


In conclusion:
Croatia, Greece, turkey, Romania, etc. We don't tell you what to do, so don't tell us what to do either. ; )

PS: Verry nice article, bro : )

primma
primma Day 1,565, 00:26

Well said!
thank you

Taekov
Taekov Day 1,565, 00:31

o7

naussicaa
naussicaa Day 1,565, 00:31

v

Imoenbg1
Imoenbg1 Day 1,565, 00:35

Thank you indeed!!!!

I didn't believe the HQ could fall so low, but you learn a new trick every day.

And on the 3rd of March even....

Pelgarian
Pelgarian Day 1,565, 00:40

o7

John Malkovich
John Malkovich Day 1,565, 00:42

romper killed eden,we need a new anti turkish coalition.

Draconist
Draconist Day 1,565, 00:53

O7 Thank you, Mihail!

 
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