So I leave for a Week...
Dishmcds
Last week, it was well known that we negotiated with EDEN in regards of what was going to be done with the Indian regions, China, and the future of Pakistan. While this conversation has largely been kept secret, an agreement in principle had been made. The participants were Crista from EDEN, Iseutz from India, Krems from the US, myself on behalf of Pakistan, and Blodance, the President of China.
The agreement was that India would regain half of it's regions of free will, Pakistan would not contest that. China would gain 3 regions, and the US would gain 3 regions, to act as a buffer from Pakistan and India, and allow India to grow as its economy had been crushed by being deleted and having all of their companies swallowed to Pakistan. China agreed to this, as did the US. This was in part to show that Pakistan has friends on all sides, and realised its place on the World Stage in terms of our position and power. We had other goals, which were then communicated as we were moving into SE Asia to procure other resources. We had arranged a deal with Thailand for regions there to act as a base of operations, and told everyone involved those would begin. The southern half of India would have been RW'd back, so we wanted to move quickly so we didn't lose our border, and avenue for expansion.
To our knowledge, India wasn't necessarily upset with the agreement with Pakistan. They knew that over time they would manage to gain more and more regions, as did we. We had already returned the favor that they had given us some months ago in deleting them, so really there was no point in trying to ensure that we kept regions we knew we couldn't support. India was more upset with the US's involvement in holding their regions, due to previous experience. From what I understand, that arrangement was what led to their last disagreement with EDEN anyway.
We had in fact been trying to get rid of half those regions already.
Somewhere along the line, China, however, misunderstood the arrangement. They invaded Pakistan, which we knew they'd have to enter through an original anyway. We didn't fight there, and moved into Thailand. The agreement we have with Thailand has nothing to do with anyone else, which Ifke can confirm. If Blodance had bothered to check with him, he would have known that, and not went completely bonkers on what we were doing.
There's also the fact that apparently the country they're afraid of is Indonesia, which has neither the MPP firepower nor the resources to compete with China, and hasn't for quite a while. Indonesia is a proud people, and we're lucky to have them as allies, but we're not naive. We hope China is not either. Our aim is not to rehash tired arguments or wars, it is to further Erepublik, and do something that hasn't been done four million times before. We're trying to be new and improved.
So this is what I ask:
What does India get from this? They get some regions back. China gets to have war for about two weeks total, then they can go back to sitting in their own regions, and doing nothing aggressive. We offered better solutions to both. At that time, perhaps it was naive of us to figure that logic, rather than emotion would be implied to a thought, but I suppose in Erepublik that's too much to ask.
This is not an alliance war. India nor Pakistan is an official member of any Alliance. Pakistan has no real desire to be, and we've maintained that stance for as long as I can remember, even going back to my days as SG of Phoenix. We work together for a common goal, but we're not married to anyone. Let's work for a better World, something that is different than what it was last year. For those who don't remember, not long ago China and India were both part of the Pakistani Empire, then roles reversed, and now we're stuck in the same cycle. Why not be independent and break that cycle for once?
If logic is too hard to see, then perhaps we're not playing the same strategy game, although it would be nice if everyone would be on the same page as to what Erepublik is, and how it works.
Hugs and Kisses,
Just Another Guy
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Indonesia is stronger than China :3
Not with a mountain of MPPs. : P
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Signed for common sense and justice.
Yo
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another fine article
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Voted, signed, went to bake some cakes for the (I hope peaceful and friendly) meetings.
Actually, if you check the logs, China, EDEN, the US, and Pakistan all agreed, but thanks for playing. I can go find the part where Blodance said he accepted.
^Mav+1
@maverick :
right, even I am from Pakistan , I was against that deal . It was awful and I already predicted the results of this useless deal before . AbuZar is really a coool person , his thought was to defend , and his thought was good (as same as mine )
and you are saying that some one is aubsing in your newspaper , he is hoysala who is spamming and I reported a bilion time regarding to his posts , but he is not banned yet
rollout the plan everything is finished , go back to your homes guys , deal finished everything is finished bye now
ah wait a second , some cakes for me also \o/
Mav +1
@Hamis11 Does Hoysala troll any more than your MAKE-NO-SENSE Dioist articles.
Just for a history lesson:
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/-mav-let-039-s-dance-rawwwwr--1166786/1/20
Pardon the typo stuff. Media module has changed and screwed my previous articles.
Yes, Dish, you're right. My bad.
Blodance accepted, based on the misinformation that INDIA had rejected EDEN's earlier offer to Pak, while it was the other way round. Heck, I can send you the same logs of our talks with Kote. Man, that's one rude bugger! 😛
Hamis, I DO NOT condone hoysala or anyone's actions from either side, who bring in RL issues & sentiments. I am sure many in Pakistan can vouch for me on that. Then again, individuals commenting cannot be controlled, but when as an 'official stance' a nation is abused, well that's a different matter ain't it? We are not crying over it either. Just doing what we can best.
Some we win, some we lose. We'll survive. Just pointing out the 'logic' of some arguments in this article.
My logic is flawless, actually. All parties agreed based on the presentation that was given. That's a fact. Even your Prime Minister said, and I quote, "I agree to the deal, however I will have to present this to the people to see what they say."
It's not my fault if you are emotional. The deal was accepted. Apparently, you also have comprehension problems as well, which I cannot solve unless you want to come and let me home school you.
I don't think I'd ever be able to match your standard of 'flawless logic'. So I better not try.
Just trying to understand with my illogical min😛
~ Was any agreement signed?
~ "however I will have to present this to the people to see what they say" - does that mean, yes we accept all terms and conditions; cos otherwise why would anyone say that?
~ Also to quote:
" ok, Iseutz has to talk to the indians
to speak abt doesnt hurt and doesnt mean it will happen"
" i just want to add, that i have no idea, what will be the reaction on this plan"
When the Indian representative, the primary party in this talk, given its Indian regions we are negotiating about, says he'll present it and see the reaction; states clearly that this is Not stamped and okayed pending acceptance from India/ You ASSUME its signed and done with; and we are the illogical ones?
That is logical?
Finally, who said emotions are a short-coming? What are without emotions. Bots? And who said emotions and rationality don't go hand in hand?
I rest my case.
Dish is right, you are wrong.
Deal w/ it.
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Srecko, already dealt with it.
Result: China.
P.S- our companies are back. So much for no economy.
Taiwan is stronger then china.
dish, your logic might be flawless, but it seems your memory isnt. fortunately for us all, we not only have published the whole log for indian citizens, but i'm also allowed by holy erep-laws to quote myself. and here we go:
23:05:57] to be precice, i'm not allowed to agree to anything officially. i can only help to make a deal that sounds rational and fair. the final decision will be at india cp+staff. just to mention it for the records, before anyone get a wrong impression
23:06:18] <~xxxx> ofc, but it's a good deal you think?
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[23:07:35] personally yes. but you know, i'm not rl indian. my paradigms are different from indians, naturally
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btw, i find it interesting, that you want to end 'the cycle' when you guys are obviously on the upper side. if you were really interested in ending the cycle you could have done this every day during the last two months. but you didn't... and as i mentioned in the same negotiation from which i already quoted above, an agreement is only possible on the basis of mutual respect. that would include accepting the claims of india on its original regions and then asking very friendly abt a deal to keep or regain indian regions - even and especially when you are able to take/hold the regions by sheer force.
but you ask now and its not abt mutual respect, but keeping an advantage for pakistan, while the circumstances develop in a direction that doesn't favor you guys anymore. so it is generally comprehensible, but impossible to bring in line with the statement abt peace and harmony. and therefore your logic might be 'flawless', but that doesn't tell us anything if this logic is appropriate and decent.
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You guys & your 'logic'!
Pak_Land, that's why its called a N-E-G-O-T-I-A-T-I-O-N, where Iseutz as Prime Minister to Swadhin has every right to N-E-G-O-T-I-A-T-E, but makes it clear that final decision rests with CP & staff.
And still you talk of 'honoring a deal' which never was signed off on! Now if you have a problem, take it up with EDEN / China, who as per your claim, seem to under the same 'illogical' impression as us that 'no deal was signed'.
Odd isn't it that we all seem to agree, and you don't just cause the situation doesn't favor you. So where was all this 'decency' and 'sense of appropriateness', when knowing China possibility was on the cards, and India WANTED to negotiate, you President ridiculed EDEN's previous offer? Maybe cause you felt the situation was in your favor then, who knows.
Anyways, no point to this now. We both agree to disagree. But they are where they are now.
football is football... n thats it!
Well, as everyone knows, no one has tried harder to keep emotions and role-playing out of eRepublik than you!
btw-- Mexico (one of the "RL" nationalities you occasionally don) has been paging you for days! They are under attack again by the evil United States! Don't you think honor demands that you return to save them with the sheer force of your moral indignation?
Your friend,
JBB