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Írjunk ki népszavazást Erdély Magyarországhoz való csatlakozásáról! 🙂

Azaazzz! Majd megszavazzak nekunk az Indok 🙂

Szerintem az IRL moldovaiak nagyrésze se utasitaná vissza.

Ha jól tudom, IRL is Románia erőlteti a Moldáv-Román testvérséget, a moldávok inkább saját függetlenségüket bizonygatják.

Dude Moldavia is Romanian soil from long, long time.. Hungary was not even on Europa Map when romanian principat of Moldavia was.

A játék elején már egyesültek ha jól tudom...

@OchiReci: the principat of Moldavia exists from the 14th century. I will not argue on people, culture, etc., that was there, but the principat itself came long after Hungary already existed in Europe.

😮

Ochirechi can you stop insulting us?
And btw to let you know we were in europe for around 7-8000years now acording to europse geographic borders.

Chisineu eredeti neve Kis-Jenö (Chişinău)

Skiny, eu te cred ca Mooldova nu e pamant romanesc daca tu reusesti sa imi faci un dictionar romano-moldovean.

Hai, la treaba.

Ochirechi can you stop insulting us?
And btw to let you know we were in europe for around 7-8000years now acording to europse geographic borders.

And Jesus was hungarian, so was Leonidas and Cezar, Churchill had some hungarian uncles, and btw did you know princess Diana had a hungarian mother? Hell, hungarians are behind the whole history of the civilazation, since people were monkeys...

@OchiRechi:

http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/historical-education-for-dummies-722715/1/20" target="_blank">http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/hist[..]1/20

@empyrion_martyr

and that's from someone who_really_ believes they have something to do with the ancient Rome...well, lol 😃

empirion:

huh? whats your problem? go, and get a beer 😉

Go learn History...

@empyrion_martyr
Yes of course hell what did you think? What are people teaching in school nowdays....?
Everyone is hungarian.....

Valóságba az egyesüléshez nem lenne meg a többség, az egyértelmű gazdasági előnyök ellenére sem (Moldávia a legszegényebb európai ország) Ők moldávoknak tartják magukat, talán olyan ez mint az osztrák-német dolog megspékelve egy csomó betelepült orosz/ukránnal

Nem akarom román "barátainkat" megszégyeníteni ,de azért megteszem 🙂

Moldáviában és Romániában(nem csak Erdélyben) tucatnyi,sőt több száz olyan helységnév van ,amely szkíta-magyar eredetű vagyis, nem román. Moldávia és Havasalföld eléggé sokáig Magyar terület volt és a magyar határ az Ister (Al-Duna) folyóig terjedt délen. Szkíták-Magyarok a Kárpát-medencében sokkal előbb voltak, mint pásztor románok. Kr.e 2500-ból is van Szkíta lelet a mai Magyarországon és egészen délen a Balkánon is nagytömegben voltak magyarok.Egészen Albániáig terjedt a magyar nyelvűség,ahol egy eléggé egyedi és szép aranyműves szkíta leletet is találtak.
Belgrádtól 100km-re délen a mai napig beszélnek magyarul.

Egyébként Moldáviában lévő Jasch/Jesch-t oklevelekben a 17. századig Jászokvárosának hívták (Taergul Jaszilor) és a kerületet pedig Jászok kerületének /La czijutl Jaszilor -nak hívták. Csak,hogy egy példát említsek.

A történelem mellettünk áll, hát foglaljuk el mi Moldáviát vagy védjük meg 😛

huh? whats your problem? go, and get a beer 😉

I am actually cool... It just amazes me to see so much infatuation among some individual specimens around here.

Actual united Romania (as kingdom) only exists from the late 1800s...

Well the son's of Basarab were really bord there, thats true.

But as far as I know they want nothing from the Big Brother 😁

Vagy felejtsük el a történelmet, az a moldávok dolga, és tegyük azt, ami nekünk itt Magyarországon jó lesz😃

Ochi Reci, let's learn a litle hystory! Romanian people like more fairy tales than reality. Moldova become an independent country first in 1359, Hungary had his first christian king in the year 1000...

@empyrion_martyr
Igaz, hogy Diana-nak nem volt magyar az anyja, de az angol trónörökös szépanyája Rhédelyi Klaudia grófnő, aki szerény 5000 lakosú városunkban született (Erdőszentgyörgy, Maros megye) 😛

Egyébként nem lehetne létrehozni egy új országot Szkítia néven ?😃

Well forging history is a romanian specialty. Like some people tried to convince me that RAdm. Horthy ordered mass murders of romanians in Transylvania thus being a war criminal 😁)
Actually Stalin himself (!!!) protected Horthy from even our own communist traitors who wanted to execute him...

And this had nothing to do with erep...

Szerintem az ilyen vitak meddok a tortenelemrol, IRL es itt is. Mindig ugyis annak van igaza aki erosebb.

Ahogy a Rettenthetelen elejen mondja a narrator: "...Egyesek biztos hazugnak fognak tartani, de hat a toretelmet a gyoztesek irjak..." Es ez nagyon igaz.

SZoval szovegeles helyett mutassuk meg az eRomanoknak, hogy jobbak vagyunk naluk... Mindenben! 😁)

Don't tell them to learn history, their history happened in a different dimension 😃
It is even well known in other countries like Ireland, Sweden or UK that romanian history is different from the rest of the world 🙂

yes magyar flotta before 1800s there were no romanians whatsoever. We suddenly puffed out of thin air in 1877 when we decalred independence, descended directly from a cloud aboveo to make your life bitter.

Jesus....

Moldovában eddig is csak románok éltek, IRL is, RL is (RL csángók is 😛). Semmi értelme erősködni.

@sutoagoston 17 minutes ago

Da sutoagoston, ai dreptate, dar asta înseamnă că e româncă, deoarece Mureş este un judeţ românesc. Supără-te cât vrei 🙂

I happen to know a couple of intelligent RL (Romanian speaking) Moldavians, they told me that most Moldavians do not trust Romanians, and have no intention to join Romania. I would doubt that the Russian speaking Moldavians would love to give up their state either.
Of course I have not done any opinion poll in Moldavia about this issue, but my impression is that this unification idea is only pushed by some Romanian nationalist who would prefer to see a bigger Romania. Of course it is not RL here so anything can happen. 🙂

Kmerse: Moldaviarol nem Moldovarol van szo.

empyrion_martyr, exactly - no romanians existed before the 18th centaury - they were known as vlahs. Then they became romanians and made themselves a nice history 🙂

Ferdinand RosenKrantz.

What you say is true only partially. According to Mass-Media polls, in 2005 51% of romanians in Romania approved of the unification, and around 40% of moldovan citizens. Considering that 1 million bessarabians are working in european states (out of 4 million) and they are undoubtably pro-european (so no crazy russian-inspired antiromanianism), they would tip the balance.

"I happen to know a couple of intelligent RL (Romanian speaking) Moldavians, they told me that most Moldavians do not trust Romanians, and have no intention to join Romania"

You happen to know a couple. I happen to know a couple more (around a few hundred; I demonstrated with them in Bucharest last month!)

I suggest you study more before making such assumtions "that this unification idea is only pushed by some Romanian nationalist who would prefer to see a bigger Romania"

@shaok: Yes, at the time we were vlachs, shepherds, we herded animals and lived off the land, not off someone else's backs like a proud nation behind the civilization of europe (you know which)...

Empyrion, I did not said that. I just said that romanian started to became a nation and unite in the late 1800s. Having "infected" by the wind of the hungarian 1848 revolution (in positive aspect).

Who was where, and before who, I would not argue on. We cannot say we are pure blood hungarians or romanians anyway

Anyway, by the genetic research we are all descendants of Genghis Khan 😃😃😃😃

@empyrion_martyr cum poti scoate asa ceva din tine...ouaaaaiiii 😁))

"Anyway, by the genetic research we are all descendants of Genghis Khan 😃😃😃😃"

Last time I checked on the discovery channel there were some 32 million world-wide descendants of Genghis-Khan. I couldn't care less if I was one.


Magyar Flotta
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Magyar Flotta 2 minutes ago

"Empyrion, I did not said that. I just said that romanian started to became a nation and unite in the late 1800s. Having "infected" by the wind of the hungarian 1848 revolution (in positive aspect)."

Yes we became a nation then because we were impeded in the process of becoming a nation by the nations around us. This continues today by people that deny us the right to a history, like you. You're right, vlachs said "abracadabra" on 31st december 1799 and the next days "voila", there we have, romanians.

My ancestors should be proud of such a feat!
Thank you hungarians for enlightening me on this!

Gg empy 😛 fa-i sa planga

Eros tulzas azt mondani, hogy Moldaviaban csak romanok laknak:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moldova#Ethnic_composition" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moldova#Eth[..]tion

Persze a tobbseg romanul beszel, de ezen az alapon RL Nemetorszag is megint felzabalhatna Ausztriat.

Az teny, hogy a Szovjetuniobol kivalas utan 1994-ben volt egy szavazas egy esetleges uniorol, amit a moldovaiak elutasitottak.

ei habar nu au pe ce lume se afla

@Ferdinand

Do not bring up that type of pseudo-research. In the meantime, between 1994 and today, some 400.000 russians and ukrainians emiggrated massively towards russia, by a federal program funded by Kremlin whose purpose was teh resettlement of these citizens in Siberai and Far-East, depopulated at that time. The program started in 2004 as far as I know. In addition to these 400.000, some 600.000 romanians moldovans went to Europe to Work. The proportion of Romanians living in Moldova is close to 84% today. Without Gagauzia and Transdnestria it reaches 91%.

empyrion_martyr, well not exactly. It has to do something with your language. In the 18th century vlahs created a new language taking most words from latin (as many other europeans, for example french) because the lack of own vocabulary. That's why the romanian language so related to latin. And as a new independent and proud nation vlachs (or romanians from now on) needed a history too, creating their own to have roots. They only problems with the romanian history is - it's something very different as the one known by the rest of the world. But it's not your fault - that's what you have been teached in school.

Empyrion, I have heard about the outward migration, but did not know about its impact on the ethnic proportions. But I still do not think that the language and the identity of people is the same thing. Austria is predominantly German speaking but would you say that it is the Germans god given right to add Austria to their Bundesrepubliks?! I just noticed the sharp contrast of views between the Moldavians and Romanians who I spoke to about this issue. My nice Romanian speaking Moldavian colleagues seemed to be very strongly against the idea. The also nice Romanian colleague was enthousiastic about it on nationalist grounds although he also admitted that it could be an economic disaster for Romania. If anything it does not look like an obvious case to me at all.
Of course if Moldavians would organise another referendum and vote for joining Romania I would not have problem with that.

Shaok, It's not YOUR fault you've been taught in schools that my people have no history. Being realistic, instead of indoctrinated means you have to let go of a lot of misconceptions. I have let go of most of what I have been taught, but you fail to let go of the ones that stipulated that Romania and Romanians did not exist and just appeared in your back to stab your country and kill it (and put an apple in its mouth for Ignat).

"ecause the lack of own vocabulary"
Lack of vocabulary comes from over-ruralisation. Over-ruralization comes from the IMPEDIMENTS coming from Ungary and Russia and all the empires to build a stable urban society, cause it would mean national awakening and justice for Romanians.

"needed a history too, creating their own to have roots"
So according to you we had no history or roots? Ok, we go back to puffing out of mid air in 1870. Hungarians are the first on earth. First monkeys that became humans were also hungarians, according to you. How can my nation's teachers be so ignorant about this! It's outrageous!

"Of course if Moldavians would organise another referendum and vote for joining Romania I would not have problem with that."

Fair enough 😉

"Austria is predominantly German speaking but would you say that it is the Germans god given right to add Austria to their Bundesrepubliks"

It's not exactly God-given, claiming to talk to God is a bit weird you know 😉
The only impediment to the Unification of Austria and Germany, which would be logical given the fact that they form a single, unitary nation, would be the sudden outburst of hostility from the WHOLE world, crying in despair that nazis are coming back with a second Anschluss. They might be right. They might be wrong.

Many russians say today that as we want to unite with Moldova, it means we are a nazi country again... What a nice way to bend things your way, with bed-time stories...

empyrion_martyr

"So according to you we had no history or roots?" No, you HAD history but not the current one teached in Romania. As you wrote yourself:

"Yes, at the time we were vlachs, shepherds, we herded animals and lived off the land"

Okay, maybe I'm wrong - maybe the whole world around you is wrong and the history we know is just a fiction, and your version is the correct one - there is a small chance I admit 🙂

i'm wondering what happens if we liberate e-Ukraina and e-Moldavia, and a few months later Moldovia and Romania will unite after a referendum... 😮

Shaok - the romanian history as our generation learned in the scool is coming from a guy known as the father of the romania history - Nicolaie Iorga - who was later assasinated by the right wing radical movement "Iron GUARD"
Of cours, after the fall of the communist regime some "normal" romanian scientists questioned N. Iorga's science fiction'like history. Among them, maybe the best historian of our time Mihai Constantiniu, who pulished a lot of articles against the "Iorga generation"...and more close to the truth!

Look, empyrion_martyr, every nation in Europe created their own national identity in the 18th century, we hungarians for example too - just to mention the legend of the "Csodaszarvas", the dream of Emese, etc....all were written in the 18th century, so it's nothing wrong with it - the only thing that I am saying romanians went a bit too far by creating an identity and false roots beacuse it's not coherent with the universal history.