Rolo's Reconciliation? Where's his Remorse, Repentance, and Restitution?
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by Wilhelm Gunter
It seems to me many in our community here are mixing up two distinct concepts – forgiveness and reconciliation.
Forgiveness is where the Offended Party, offers unconditionally, and from the heart, to no longer hold the Offending Party guilty for his or her actions. The forgiveness is completely dependent upon the Offended Party and has nothing whatsoever to do with the Offending Party. It is entirely undeserved – that is the very nature of forgiveness; and neither can forgives be deserved/earned. That is what forgiveness is. Even if the Offending Party continues in his unrepentant ways, forgiveness does not take this into account. It is where the Offended Party chooses – an act of the will – to no longer hold the Offending Party guilty, and to hold no grudges, ill will or spite against them. Forgiveness is both a one time decision, and a repeated decision (as feelings and thoughts of the Offending Activity continue to appear in the heart and mind of the Offended Party).
Forgiveness often, but not always, shows pity and empathy for the plight of the Offending Party, and sees the Offending Party as someone who is acting because of hurts and pains in their own life.
Forgiveness is not offering trust to the Offended Party, nor is it Forgetting the actions of the Offended Party.
Forgiveness does NOT, however, presuppose Reconciliation.
Reconciliation DOES, however, presuppose Forgiveness. Reconciliation is where the Offended Party and Offending Party agree to restore the relationship to where it was before the Offense occurred. It must ALWAYS include Forgiveness by the Offended Party, and ALWAYS include Repentance and Restitution (where necessary and if possible) by the Offending Party. The Offended Party, in addition to offering Forgiveness, offers to live with the Offender and learn to trust again. The Offending Party offers a heartfelt contrition/remorse, a sorrow for past actions, a desire/commitment to not engage in the same activities/actions again, and a desire to help restore the relationship by offering appropriate restitution. Reconciliation is the process of restoring the relationship to what it was previously. It brings the Offending Party back up to the status held before the Offending Activity occurred.
Now let’s apply these definitions to our situation here in eCanada – specifically to the Rolo situation and the calls for his forgiveness in direct connection to the way he voted to save us $100 000 CAD from disappearing down a black hole.
First off, forgiveness that is tied to Rolo’s actions appears manipulative. Rolo did A and we must do B. Genuine forgiveness is completely independent of Rolo’s actions. Further, every single eCanadian, and the community at large (as represented by our elected officials) may decide to forgive Rolo – however unlikely this may be. It would be despite Rolo’s refusal to repent and offer restitution. This means to hold him guiltless – morally, and even financially guiltless. It however, does NOT mean we restore him to where he was before his theft. Reconciliation is dependent on his actions, his attitudes. His repentance and willingness to restore what was taken. This is reconciliation.
If would be foolish – we would all be fools – to offer any Offending Party reconciliation where it is not wanted, nor desire by the Offending Party. Where there is no repentance, offering the Offending Party the opportunity to do the exact same thing (which is what reconciliation does – restoring the Offending Party to the exact same positions and trust and status as before) is utter lunacy – morally and practically. We are only asking to be Offended against, again.
While each of us may choose to forgive Rolo (and we probably all should), until there is remorse, repentance, and restitution, there CAN BE no Reconciliation. Without Rolo’s part, it is not possible, and to unilaterally attempt is absurd.
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So glad to have you back Wilhelm. Great article to kick off your return to the media front.
You have given me a lot to consider and think about here. I will comment again when I have had a chance to digest what you have offered in this article.
Again though, glad to have you back!
Forgive, but don't forget or you will soon be reliving the past.
tl;ria
(too long, but I read it all) 🙂
Indeed.
He does something evil then something good then evil then good then evil then good then evil then good then evil then good then evil then good then evil then good then evil then good then evil then good then evil then good then evil then good then evil then good then evil then good then evil then good then evil then good
When will this stop. I don't know why people defend him
"So glad to have you back Wilhelm."
x2
@ Wilhelm Gunter
Please comment on this
A few months ago, I won CP. I stated in a campaign article that I intended to return the Gold and Companies in my possession to the Canadian people via donations to MU's
Nowhere in my Campaign article did I state this would be done on Day 1 of my term as that would be foolish on my part, but in my 11 day as CP span, I had donated nearly 600 Gold to various tanks in defense of eCanada in the war against Sweden (420 alone to TemujinBC in the purchase of a company worth 185 - so a 235 net in that case alone) Others can attest to donations in IRC or through PM (even Coda)
I did not keep track of these donations, nor did I hold them as a ransom for any special treatment. I did them in my Role as CP in a time of war. In terms of the companies, view Jacobi's request in congress in our attempt to get the first of the 5 companies I had at the time into HOPE - zero co-operation from the congress
It was my intention at the end of my full term, to have all 5 Companies donated to the MU's and have an empty account of Gold. My actions in the initial 11 days should have proven my willingness to keep my promise
How was I treated? - Still with hostility and impeached despite my actions and attempts
Speak to that.....
Rolo it's okay for you to admit that you're getting bored of the villain roleplaying, when all you wanted was to be recognized as a respected leader.
Sounds to me people love to have a villain around to hate, to blame things on and allow them to feel all good and righteous about themselves. You villified him, then impeached him and surprise, surprise, he became the villain you wanted him to be.
P.S. Someone needs to explain to me why eCanada's other famous thief was endorsed by our two leading parties and placed a strong 2nd in our Nov. 5 CP election. By what standard are they different? Is he just a better butt-kisser to ingratiate himself back into your good graces?
P.P.S. Whilhem, implied in my post above, one point that needs to be established it who actually is the original offending party. Was the Rolo vs. the eCan elites feud set off by Rolo's unprovoked actions or were Rolo's actions provoked by their maltreatment of him. Seems to me much of all this hinges on that. If a clear and unbiased answer cannot be arrived at, neither side has the right to place pre-conditions on forgiveness or reconciliation.
J.Canuck, you'll have to cite some members of "the elites", otherwise you sound like an only atoms version of Octavian
Revenge can be bittersweet...but it's still sweet.
New Canadian citizen here.
I certainly don't know the back story here so please correct me if I misunderstand this:
You have a citizen that rose to a level of responsibility that allowed him to steal from the country, correct?
He was summarily impeached, but not sent to permanent exile in Uzbekistan.
He is now a current member of the CP. Really?
Canadians have the rep of being the most agreeable people in the world. Now that's a good thing, but putting an impeached thief back in office...that's just looney.
Laissez les bons temps rouler!
WG great read! Welcome back.
Dang it is like the old gang is returning to the game.
Politics on!!!!
The first impeachment was illegal. No one was punished for this.
Just saw the other article on this subject.
He said, she said, thieving, conniving, skulduggery, illegal impeachments...fascinating stuff, eh?
"The" other article?
Which one?
There are only about a thousand...
There is a call out to fill the position of Attorney General.
I think this article demonstrates strong ability to do such work.
Consider applying?
Saltydog - the eCan elites is the clan of players who generally are reshuffled to make up nearly every government, are the custodians of government assets and the major MU's and generally act and are treated like they own this place. I'm not insider enough to make a precise list, but clearly such a clan of long-time players exist and at some level decide who's in or out based on various factors such as butt-kissing and whatever else goes on in the off-site forums, IRC, etc.
J.Canuck: Since the ecan "elites" are so prominent, I'm sure you won't have any trouble naming 3 of them.
I mean, there must be more, but since you keep referring to the actions of this shadowy clique, it'll be easy for you to identify just 3 of them by name.
I too would be eager to know who are these elitist who keep on sucking from our tax bill. Down with the oligarchy!!!
where may I apply for the position of Elites?
J. Canuck: Don't you realize that Rolo was part of this "elite"? That is what got him elected president. Frankly, I think he is still part of it. The way you define it anyway.
Rolo got elected because he and other elite players, a majority of the MOST elite players, got together and decided he was going to be president. They didn't do anything much worse than what happened in many election cycles. Unfortunately, a 14-15 year old, who had previously been Rolo's instrument, recently became Attorney General and he thought that was "Idiot-spymaster-General". He circulated logs of irc conversations which looked pretty bad at first blush. An impeachment was begun in game without 24 hour debate. That is the "illegal" part. The impeachment was in strict accordance with in-game rules. Rolo decided that since he wasn't going to be president he would steal everything. None of his has anything at all to do with a battle against the "elites". The "elites" were on his side. Many continue to be on his side. It is a nice re-writing of history to cast this as a robin hood story. In fact it is exactly the opposite.
Anddddddd oliver for the knockout punch
I cannot say for sure, but I suspect that J. Canuck may have been referring to Rolo as CP 2.0 back in June.
Nice re-write olivermellors
The real spin came from the CAF HC "elites" which were working with Wes along with CSIS
The real reason for the deadspin on the #secretz IRC logs were the fact that we were going to limit the power/funding of the CAF and open an alternative for funding for the regular citizen
CAF HC didn't like this idea, to say the least, and the spinning of the logz began, ending with my impeachment
"Rolo got elected because he and other elite players, a majority of the MOST elite players, got together and decided he was going to be president."
Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong.
That couldn't be more wrong if it were written in French, and that's saying a lot.
The reason Rolo became President is because he logged onto IRC first, and we didn't want JB to run himself. That's the plain and short of it. If Addy had logged onto IRC before Rolo did he would of been President last September.
Also we were no where near "the Elite". In fact, most of the original people in the channel weren't even Canadian at the time (DyceyFarley, Sideswipe, etc...) so to claim them as part of "the MOST elite" is laughable at best.
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/a-question-of-forgiveness-1901769/1/20
This is relevant to my interests.