Revolutionary Nationalism?
Johnobrow
Previously I have written extensively about bourgeois-nationalism, the dominant ideology of the new world (http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/the-nation-of-the-commodity-bourgeois-nationalist-ideology-1471598/1/20), and the role nationalism plays in the gameplay of the bourgeoisie, the ruling class. What I haven't spoken about, and as far as I'm aware few others have spoken about, is the relationship of the oppressed classes and revolutionaries to nationalism.
"To be a nationalist is to hold that the nation is an important aspect, if not the most important aspect of society and that one should serve it. The difference between nations in eRepublik and real life is subtle, but significant. In real life the nation is, ultimately, imagined for it is neither a natural or permanent thing. The nation in real life was created and can consequently also be destroyed, degraded, deconstructed. Conversely in eRepublik the nation is a fundamental part of the game mechanics. One can neither create nor destroy the nation. A nation can be conquered by another but you cannot destroy all nations, the nation is a constant.
"Another difference is the lack of race or ethnicity in eRepublik. In real life many nations are built on a common racial heritage. In eRepublik this simply doesn’t exist. People are not born into a race and nationality from their parents. They are, however, commonly born into the ecountry that corresponds to their real life country and consequently to a degree a common national identity is born from the real life national identity, with language usually being the most major feature of this. Though eRepublik nations lack the established identity of real life nations they more than make up for this in their permanency and relevance."
The fact that the nation-state cannot be removed, it can only be conquered, is of crucial significance to the oppressed classes. The oppressed can only become liberated when they control that state given the irremovable powers the state possesses - the seizure of the power of the state should be one of several primary aims of all revolutionaries, without it they and the exploited classes cannot ultimately be free.
So consider the consequences of an occupation of one state by another. The seizure of the power of the state by another state does nothing to liberate the oppressed of the occupied state, or any for that matter, but does it in fact act as an obstacle to liberation? I would argue that it indeed does and grievously so. The only real power a citizen has to influence the government, and therefore who wields the power of the state, is their vote. In a conquered nation the power to vote is absolutely removed as the citizens do not have the nationality of the conquerer nation, but the conquered. The conquered are therefore more oppressed than ever. Which nationality they have and which nation it is that is occupying is of little significance, the fact that they no longer have the political power they once had is utterly debilitating and enslaving.
The sovereignty of every nation then is of serious importance to every true revolutionary. It is impossible for a class to liberate itself in a nation that is itself enslaved. The defence and only defence of all national borders is paramount. It is subaltern-nationalism that the revolutionary supports. There is a fundamental difference between the defence of a nation's borders and the expansion of its borders. Two different kinds of nationalism. Revolutionary subaltern-nationalism and imperialistic bourgeois-nationalism. One is liberating, the other is enslaving. Imperialism is the problem, anti-imperialism the solution.
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Nice Johno o/
Great article !! v+s
Can I just express how much, in my strongly held opinion at least, this does not apply to RL. I made the distinction and it is a big and significant one. Mmk?
Great stuff John.
Nations in RL exist so long as Public Property is held. The monopoly of the state, in essence is a property right issue. In this game it is far from that. Nice article.
I would say the state exists IRL as long as private property is held, but there you go. 😛
ITA: I am right, you are wrong. I'm not going to explain why.
I thought I did explain...
Not really. The first three paragraphs simply explained that erepublik is full of nationalists, which is obvious.
The fourth one is based on the premise that people in erep are oppressed, which is by no means justified by anything you've said. It claims that the solution to this ill-defined problem is an ill-defined solution- seizure of power without an explanation on how to do so.
The fifth one is contradictory, as it goes against the earlier principle that people working in the democratic system are slaves. If they are slaves already, and their vote is worthless, than losing that vote is no loss.
The final paragraph simply undoes everything you've ever argued by saying that "nationalism" is ok so long as you don't invade other countries. Basically what you're describing is non-aggressive "bourgeois nationalism" to use your own description. It's not revolutionary at all, going again by your poorly defined terminology.
Your whole argument hangs on premises which are unexplained and unjustified, nevermind contradictory. Firstly people are enslaved by the democratic and economic system. Secondly they are enslaved by false considerations of nationality. Thirdly they should fight to protect that democratic, economic and nationalist system. Without getting into the validity of the political terms and arguments you're using here, the argument itself is faulty. You leap from your premises to your conclusion with very little in the way of a link between the two.
Interesting analysis
@Keers - No, no, no and no. You're just trying too hard to find problems where there are none.
The opening paragraphs are supposed to explain the nature of the nation-state in erep, that's all, but it is crucial to the argument that that is understood.
The premise that people are oppressed is taken for granted here as I have written about it a lot before and this article is catered for those who at least accept that in principle.
Your point about working in a democracy is neither here nor there. I see no reason why people can't be oppressed in a democratic system - take the economy for example. Every worker (within the capitalist mode of production) is exploited there and has no ability to vote about anything regarding that.
What I say quite clearly in the final paragraph is that the are two sorts of nationalism. Subaltern-nationalism has no class character - it benefits all within that nation.
Some of your criticisms above are pretty silly, it's like you and I haven't been here discussing these things for the last 19 months.
@Johnobrow: I was referring to the legal protection, there of.
@Dan - So was I.
Then under game terms any public responsibility is doomed, as in Organizational Thefts, Organizations being interned, and the fact that they are shared still shows that the creator of the org/companies is the one who gets banned/temp banned/or receives FP.
Everything is Private Property in this game, the notion of State Property rights (Public Property) has been shown to be flawed since Beta 🙂🙂
great way to eRationalize anti-imperialism in eRepublik
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@Dan - That might be true but resources can be controlled collectively on a voluntary basis. There's no reason why society can't function in such a way.
Your response completely missed my point johnobrow. The premises you come up with, despite being nonsensical and based on an extension of RL beliefs which do not apply here, are not the issue. The issue is that you leap from the premises of an oppressed working class, a corrupt and alienating political structure, and a despised bourgeois nationalist state, to your defence of nationalism and the political and economic system it perpetuates.
I agree that players with revolutionary sentiments should (almost) always defend the "natural" (game-defined) boundaries and independence of e-States.
The exception I would suggest is for states that are clearly being run by racist/fascist gangs. They should get clobbered if possible. 🙂🙂
I also think there's room in the game for a concept of "global revolution" based on principles that supercede subaltern-nationalism and are far different from the standard "super alliance of oligarchs" model, but that's an argument for another day.
An excellent article! And it does apply heavily to the mold of the Political module, regardless of any RP sentiments.
"great way to eRationalize anti-imperialism in eRepublik
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Interesting read, but one question. What is a nation? Many Native American groups consider themselves to have nations, but don't have the same kind of soveigrnity as yer typical nation. Is the nation in question one of the racial, band together type thing, or the one with the rigid framework e.g. soveigrnity?
@John - If you're talking about RL (which I'm assuming you are) then a nation is an imagined political community based on some equally imagined link that may be territorial, cultural and/or even biological.
@PQ - I personally don't see any justification for invading any nation except when that nation's government is illegitimate i.e. cheats. Wouldn't argue with the rest of what you said though.
@Iain - I think you're evidently missing the point. Why else would you repeat the line about nonsensical premises? This article wasn't written for you, got it? That is the point. It was written for revolutionaries to more clearly define nationalism in a revolutionary context (because it needs/needed clarifying).
@Iain - I will say that what you said about "based on an extension of RL beliefs which do not apply here" is clearly bullshit. I am not an anti-imperialist IRL. I am almost never pro-nationalism IRL. I am anti-parliamentarism IRL. The list goes on and I would argue those are not small or insignificant differences.
Good work Johno
Nic ideas, but the "nationalism" is a word with negative meaning for leftwing people, so i would not make a distinction of good and bad nationalism
no nationalism at all
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Johno Is a working class hero
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Always the right choice.
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I third this motion
Well written.
Now time for a good pint...
if somebody purchases gold with rl money, employing citizens, those will be working for the erepublic admines, or rl investors, then we are slaves of .
0.o
Slaves of the admins, yes.