Res Publica
Black Sonia
The idea of writing this article came up when i read
Amvlad's article.
It is not in my intention to take part in the contest, but to share
something with you , that i think you might find it useful,in rl.
Many many years before Amvlad, Sonia Jasmin, before erep, before all of us and all of real us ,a man had the same question...
How would a perfect society be ? What's its definition ?
That man was , in fact, PLATO! A great Greek philosopher who's name was given to the good old Plato we all know here in erep.
Plato wrote a story about Socrates and his friends, having a long conversation , in the house of Polemarxos , in Pireas , in 421 B.C.
A conversation that was long enough that prompted Plato to write 10 whole books!!! These 10 books constitute the famous ''Res Publica''
I would never place myself as such an intellectual reader of this great philosopher nor that i can fully understand the magnitude of his work..
I won't tell you what i think a good community should be..
But i will try to provoke your thought , have you do all the work in your own head!
Res Publica
THE STATEMENT: The ideal society is based on four virtues
JUSTICE , BRAVERY , PRUDENCE , WISDOM
Justice. How could you define Justice?
Is it the law of the strongest that always prevail? Or that justice is just a social pact, because both fair and unjust would do the same thing if they knew that wouldn't be caught?
Socrates insisted that justice is inevitable , always vigilant , always present and whoever thinks that can escape is deceiving himself . It might take time but eventually it will ''get'' you and the price will be bigger for the ''big'' and ''strong''.
A rightful man , who is just , will seek for truth and recognize the good.
Prudence. Only men that are prudent have the ability to drive a country , like a captain his ship , through ''heavy seas'',because they observe , hear , watch , evaluate all circumstances, when all their ''sailors'' do is just mock and ignore the signs..
Bravery. Plato thought that in order to succeed social stability and bliss , anything should and must be done. Even if a lie should be told , a brave man must do it. He calls it the ''brave lie'' and through the characters of his story , Socrates and his friends, recites the tail of the city Kallipolis where a brave lie was told...
Wisdom. Knowledge is the key.Knowledge should be our supreme aspiration.
But Plato implies that isn't enough for someone to be a wise man..
He must share his wisdom with the rest of the people in order for the whole community to thrive! How can someone get upset with people's ignorance, why he wonders when his country is suffering, when he holds the truth only for himself??
''When philosophers will reign over and royals philosophize, only then people can succeed happiness''
PLATO
P.S=This game is a miniature of our real society.
Into this miniature our advantages and disadvantages, as individuals,tend to become bigger , than in real and overcome the needs of us as a team, a unit, a country, in game.
If we want to build the ideal e-society, we must look for the ideal e-people...people with no disadvantages!
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This game is a miniature of our real society.
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not true
Only men that are prudent have the ability to drive a country , like a captain his ship , through ''heavy seas'',because they observe , hear , watch , evaluate all circumstances, when all their ''sailors'' do is just mock and ignore the signs..
μόνο οι άντρες.... επιτέλους , το παραδέχεσαι
Δεν το λέω εγώ, χαζούλη..
ο Πλάτων το λέει
α ξέχασα, οι γυναίκες είναι σοφότερες από τον Πλάτωνα .....
to men anaferetai sto antrwpino eidos......egine metafrash ths frashs tou πλατωνα στα αγγλικα και το ανθρωποι μεταφραστηκε men ( οχι human )... οπως και η φραση "ο ανθρωπος ειναι κοινωνικο ζωο" ....δεν αναφερομαστε στον ανθρωπο ως γενος (αρσενικο θηλυκο) αλλα ως ειδος (ανθρωπος, σκυλος, γατα κοκ)
καλέ, τζάμπα ασχολήσε..
είναι μισογύνης ο άνθρωπος!! : P
άρα το Μίτσιγκαν του κ έπρεπε να γράψει men kind παρ'όλα αυτά η λανθάνουσα γράφει πάντα την αλήθεια
Thank you Sonia for this article. It is really interesting. But if you don't mind, I would like to see how can we implement efficiently all those concepts into our game. Can we do it and how?
I don't mind at all!
It took Plato some years of his life and a lot of writing just to
give a definition and the characteristics of an ideal community...
Since we both have spent a couple of years in this ''miniature''
society, i think we already know what should be done...
The difficult part is to persuade players that we need an ''ideal community''
and not only a game.
If everything was according to plan , wouldn't be boring?
Just thinking...
"If everything was according to plan , wouldn't be boring?"
Honestly?! : P
Very nice, and now I'm sory I did not writte in english too : D
You know it is my fault. Sorry : (
σωστός , όπως πάντα!
: )
voted only for you an kai metaxy mas den katalaba leksh apo osa eipes alla se exw empistosynh 😛
συγγνώμη, Βαγιούλα, είναι από την ''Πολιτεία'' του Πλάτωνα
το έγραψα στα Αγγλικά, μπας και ξεστραβωθεί κανένας ξένος
και διαβάσει το έργο..
καλά, για τους Ελληνες δεν το συζητώ.. το 'χω σίγουρο!!! ; )
εννοείτε ότι δεν εξαιρώ τον εαυτό μου ..δυστυχώς
and we all lived happily ever after xD
nomizw oti oi ellhnes pio kala kseroyn thn POLITEIA LIVE to mpouzouksidiko para thn Politeia tou platwna 😛
all these things are great but what do you propose to do? do you think that from reading we can built our beliefs and if so are they the same? do you think that when i read about Plato's point of view i am going to understand it the same way you do? i don't think that's true... that's why you need to propose simple things and make what you want to say clear to all of us...as a matter of fact amvlad stated "Πώς θα επιθυμούσες να είναι η κοινότητα σου και τι είσαι διατεθειμένος να κάνεις για αυτό." .....either you dont write this artcle in addition to amvlad's article or you are not answering his question
''The idea of writing this article came up when i read
Amvlad's article.
It is not in my intention to take part in the contest, but to share
something with you , that i think you might find it useful,in rl.''
Burn the witch 😛
πάλι,ρε ,Αρχαίε?!!!
αφού δεν πιάνει σε μένα
ok 🙂
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