Referendum Ramblings + flowchart!
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by Daniel Parker
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Since I´m the originator of the Senate* I think it´s time for me to say something about the current affairs on the referendum. *disclaimer: I´ve never been a senator by the way!
First of all I´d like to say thay I don´t have a problem with referenda, however they should be used with care and only for nation-wide things that affect us all. This referendum unfortunately isn´t of them. It´s about something that only happens on the forum.
However saying to ban or avoid this referendum goes definitely too far in my book. I would advice to use my flowchart below, it´ll save you lotta time
What is the Senate?
It´s about what we call our administrative group the ´senate´ on the forum, in contrast to the RL senate, it isn´t a political power, and doesn´t make political decisions. They have some extra rights, but in order to help out the government and congress. It´s powers are thus generaly grosly overestimated, especially when compared to the congress and the president. It´s a new institution with has delivered mixed results, it definitly needs some fine-tuning, but there is good progress being made on that atm.
read more on the wiki about the senate
What about this I hear about someone abusing his power?
Yes, there has been 1 incident of power abuse 2 months ago, but this isn´t a structural problem, but it´s a incident between 2 people.
The person who was bullied had the right to raise a vote to have the senator removed from the senate, but didn´t for multiple reasons.
Currently we are even elaborating on those laws to make such abuse even less likely to happen. It looks very promising.
(UPDATE: after 2 months he decided to ´prosecute´ the senator after all, so in some sense the referendum is a bit redundant)
the elite isn´t that bad
Yeah but what about this elitist power-block we have?
Yes there is a sort of ´elite´ in erep, and I´ve been quite skeptical about it in my earlier erep-life. However the Dutch really have a cultural issue with elitism, when generally the people who we call ´elite´ are the people who are just the people who actually work hardest for this country, they are the ones staying up all night to coordinate battles, write long law proposals, think out new strategies to make the community more alive or help out in coaching in recruiting.
Hell, our special forces army was called "NL elites" for a long time.
What stays important is that new players at least get chance to play along with the big-guys, and that they openly communicate with the whole community.
But in the end merit will prevail.
So what should I vote then?
Well it´s up to you, I made this nice flowchart to help you a bit. Otherwise I´d advise you to read all current articles in the news about it, or read the actual constitution chapter about it, but this whole referendum is all quite useless if you never visit the forums anyway.
big image here
TL
1. senate = only on forum, very small, not so powerfull as you think, not so evil as hoped
2. u not on forum? keep fappin´ ! u on forum: read!
3. have a little faith in me
sincerely,
Daniel Parker
State Secretary of Home Affairs
Director of Recruitment and Coaching
Ambassador for NL in Norway
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Formerly:
1x Prime-Minister
1x Minister of Defense
1x Minister of Home Affairs
3x Minister of Recruitment and Coaching
2x State Secretary of Home Affairs
1x State Secretary of Foreign Affairs
1x Chairman of Congress
1x Vice Chairman of Congress
4x Party President of Independent Party
2x Party President of Libertarian Party
Other products from the maker of "the Senate": "medals programme", "newspaper layouts for government and defense", "semi-CP based government", "userbars" and many more! ;p
😉
Since I´m the originator of the Senate* I think it´s time for me to say something about the current affairs on the referendum. *disclaimer: I´ve never been a senator by the way!
First of all I´d like to say thay I don´t have a problem with referenda, however they should be used with care and only for nation-wide things that affect us all. This referendum unfortunately isn´t of them. It´s about something that only happens on the forum.
However saying to ban or avoid this referendum goes definitely too far in my book. I would advice to use my flowchart below, it´ll save you lotta time
😉
What is the Senate?
It´s about what we call our administrative group the ´senate´ on the forum, in contrast to the RL senate, it isn´t a political power, and doesn´t make political decisions. They have some extra rights, but in order to help out the government and congress. It´s powers are thus generaly grosly overestimated, especially when compared to the congress and the president. It´s a new institution with has delivered mixed results, it definitly needs some fine-tuning, but there is good progress being made on that atm.
read more on the wiki about the senate
What about this I hear about someone abusing his power?
Yes, there has been 1 incident of power abuse 2 months ago, but this isn´t a structural problem, but it´s a incident between 2 people.
The person who was bullied had the right to raise a vote to have the senator removed from the senate, but didn´t for multiple reasons.
Currently we are even elaborating on those laws to make such abuse even less likely to happen. It looks very promising.
(UPDATE: after 2 months he decided to ´prosecute´ the senator after all, so in some sense the referendum is a bit redundant)
the elite isn´t that badYeah but what about this elitist power-block we have?
Yes there is a sort of ´elite´ in erep, and I´ve been quite skeptical about it in my earlier erep-life. However the Dutch really have a cultural issue with elitism, when generally the people who we call ´elite´ are the people who are just the people who actually work hardest for this country, they are the ones staying up all night to coordinate battles, write long law proposals, think out new strategies to make the community more alive or help out in coaching in recruiting.
Hell, our special forces army was called "NL elites" for a long time.
What stays important is that new players at least get chance to play along with the big-guys, and that they openly communicate with the whole community.
But in the end merit will prevail.
So what should I vote then?
Well it´s up to you, I made this nice flowchart to help you a bit. Otherwise I´d advise you to read all current articles in the news about it, or read the actual constitution chapter about it, but this whole referendum is all quite useless if you never visit the forums anyway.
big image here
TL
😉R version
1. senate = only on forum, very small, not so powerfull as you think, not so evil as hoped
2. u not on forum? keep fappin´ ! u on forum: read!
3. have a little faith in me
sincerely,
Daniel Parker
State Secretary of Home Affairs
Director of Recruitment and Coaching
Ambassador for NL in Norway
--
Formerly:
1x Prime-Minister
1x Minister of Defense
1x Minister of Home Affairs
3x Minister of Recruitment and Coaching
2x State Secretary of Home Affairs
1x State Secretary of Foreign Affairs
1x Chairman of Congress
1x Vice Chairman of Congress
4x Party President of Independent Party
2x Party President of Libertarian Party
Other products from the maker of "the Senate": "medals programme", "newspaper layouts for government and defense", "semi-CP based government", "userbars" and many more! ;p
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Voted. Two things:
1. 'UPDATE: after 2 months he decided to ´prosecute´ the senator after all, so in some sense the referendum is a bit redundant'
I disagree here; in my eyes, at least, the power abuse was not the major reason to start a referendum. It may ahve been one reason, but cancelling out one of several reasons doesn't automatically make this referendum 'redundant'.
2. While the referendum is about the Senate as it is now, i.e. a purely administrative body, Congress is set to grant the Senate more powers, including political ones. This was also a major reason for the instigator of the referendum.
Oh, and I love the flowchart, by the way. It's easy!
My thought after reading this bad argumented article: http://i56.tinypic.com/sq0fgz.jpg
That flow chart is the most absurd thing I've seen in a long time.
Tone and I are arguing that Senators SHOULD follow rules set by the Congress, not the other way around.
And if you concede that the name 'Senate' is confusing, why won't you agree to consider changing the name to make it clearer.
"They didn't have governments in Ancient Rome" is a poor opening gambit by your side, in my view.
pierre, you have no sense of of imagination do ya?
If it were up to you, you'd rename everything into a tediously long initialism
HFURKEDH or something
"If it were up to you, you'd rename everything into a tediously long initialism. HFURKEDH or something"
LOL! +1!
I'm a born technocrat.
voted!
voted 🙂
I have never seen Elitism as a bad thing. 1337 all the way.
Dibs on the girl on the right btw.
Also, according to your flowchart this should 'hardly affect me'
"I have never seen Elitism as a bad thing."
It is a bad thing if the elite are not capable of filling the roles they have assigned to themselves.
Pierre has a point, elitism mustn't take incestious forms, it need fresh blood or even the best elite will perish.