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RAZBIJANJE MITA/ BREAKING THE MYTH

Day 1,717, 11:58 by Z N Gorki

U eSvijetu postoje razno razne priče i mitovi koji se oduvjek provlače među igračima. Naprimjer da je Romper admin ili čak skupina admina , da se srbi nebeski narod , da su brazilci i indonežani najjači boteri svih eVremena , da poljaci nemaju bot vojske..itd itd.. Neki mitovi su istiniti , a neki nisu , no ima jedan mit koji me već neko vrijeme kopka ,čak bi mogao reći da me i smeta.

To je mit o nevjerojatnoj sposobnosti eSrpske diplomacije i izrazitog talenta eSrpskih igrača u tom područjuove igre.

Naime , ja ne znam ni koji su to igrači. Neki će reći da niti ne trebam znati ako nisam u tim krugovima i da je to samo još jedan plus njihovoj sposobnosti da iz sjene vode savez i ovu igru.

Iz pogleda na mapu i iz ishoda zadnjih bitki i napada na eSrbiju možemo jedino zaključiti da su se opet izvukli i uspjeli obraniti, te eHrvatskoj opet slijedi brisanje. U ključnom trenutku u pomoć su im stigli ePoljaci i ostali saveznici te su uspjeli odbiti sva tri napada i preuzeti inicijativu.

Ali ako pogledamo situaciju iz druge perspektive vidjet ćemo da njihova vrlina pregovaranja i nije baš na zavidnoj visini.

Kao što svi znamo eSrbija je oduvjek , još od predsjednika Borkana (respect Borkan), jedna od najmnogoljudnijih zemalja erepublika. To znači da imaju na raspolaganju najveći DMG , a smisao ove igre je ratovanje za teritorij.
Svaka , al baš svaka eDržava u erepubliku u svakom trenutku okolo traži neki extra DMG kod saveznika ili plaćenika za neku bitku.

Kad se uzme u obzir da njihovi diplomati za pregovaranje i dogovaranje saveza imaju taj najjači adut u rukama onda me uopće ne iznenađuje činjenica da eSrpski "vrli" diplomati imaju uspjeha u postizanju dogovora koji su za njih povoljni.

Ja tvrdim da je eSrpski diplomati nemaju nikakvo znanje niti talenta za diplomaciju. U takvim okolnostima znanje i talent nisu niti potrebni da bi se sklopio povoljan savez ili dobila bitka.
Tvrdm da su ispodprosječni pregovarači jer su i sa daleko jačom vojskom i savezom dva puta za redom bivali izbrisani te su otajali bez kongresa. Tvrdim da im nije bilo ni potrebno da kroz ovu igru razvijaju te vještine jer je sila oduvjek bila na njihovoj strani.
Tvrdim da su načini na koje oni dolaze do postizanja dogovora poluucjenjivački i da je takav način ophođenja glavni razlog za raspadanje njihova prošla dva saveza (peace i phenix).

Jesu li to karakteristike pravog diplomata?
Jel to jedini način postizanja dogovora?
Jel to cilj članstva u nekom savezu?
Jel se tako mjeri uspješnost diplomacije?

NE

Uspješan diplomat uspije postići dogovor iako se nalazi u nepovoljnoj poziciji. Isto je tako spreman pomoći savezniku sa 200% svojih mogućnosti. Tako se stvara bratski odnos. Nisu slučajno nastala imena poput Broatia , Brozil , Cromania...
Nemojmo se zavaravati da je njihova diplomacija uspješna zato jer je sposobna. Jednostavno , karte su se tako podjelile i takvu partiju igramo.
Na kraju krajeva nije slučajna ni činjenica da je EDEN nadživio 2 suparnička saveza, a koliko mi se čini nadživjet će i treći.

HAIL EDEN
HAIL TERRA
o7

iskreno Z N Gorki

ENGLISH VERSION

There were always different stories and myths going around in the eWorld. For instance, that Romper is an admin, or even a group of admins, that Serbs are the heavenly people, that Brazilians and Indonesians are the greatest boters of all time, that the Polish have no bot-armies, etc. etc. Some of the myths are true, and some are not, but there is one that is intriguing me, I could even say bothering me, for quite some time now.

It is the myth of the incredible ability of eSerbian diplomacy and the exceptional talent of eSerbian players in this aspect of the game.

The thing is, I don't even know who these alleged players are. Some will say that I'm not supposed to know, and that that is just one more proof of their ability to control their alliance and the game from behind the scenes.

By looking at the map, and the outcomes of recent battles in the offensive against eSerbia, we can only conclude that they managed to pull through once again and defend themselves, and that eCroatia is about to be erased once more. In the decisive moment of the offensive, ePoland and other allies came to their aid, and managed to fend of all three attacks against eSerbia, and take the initiative on all those fronts.

But if we look at the situation from another perspective, we can see that their negotiation skills are not that impressive.

As we all know, ever since the times of president Borkan (respect to Borkan) eSerbia has one of the largest populations in the game. This means they have the largest damage at their disposal, and the focus of this game is waging war for territories.
Every single country in erepublik is always looking for some extra damage for some battle, be it from allies, or from mercenaries.

When we take into consideration that they have this strongest trump card in their hand, in their negotiations and alliance making, then it is not surprising that the “superb” eSerbian diplomats are successful in achieving agreements that are favorable for eSerbia.

I claim that eSerbian diplomats don't have any knowledge or talent for diplomacy. Given their position (damage), knowledge and talent are not needed to make a favorable alliance or to win a battle. They are, in fact, below average negotiators, which was made obvious when they were erased and left without congress two months in a row, despite their own and their alliances superior fire-power. I believe they never had the need to develop diplomatic skills, because they always had sheer force on their side.
Finally, I claim that the ways they achieve those agreements are semi-blackmail, and that this kind of conduct is the main reason for the breaking of their two former alliances (peace and phoenix).

Are these the characteristics of true diplomats?
Is that the only way to achieve an agreement?
Is that the goal of being a member of an alliance?
Is that the measure of success of a diplomatic corps?

NO, it is not.

A successful diplomat is able to achieve an agreement even though he is in an unfavorable position. He is also ready to help his allies with 200% of his capacity. That is how you create a brotherly relation. Names like Broatia, Brozil, and Cromania, were not created by coincidence, they reflect a certain substance.
So, we should not fool ourselves that eSerbian diplomacy is successful because of their abilities. It just reflects the simple fact that the cards (dmg) are dealt the way they are and that this is the hand we have to play.
Finally, it is no coincidence that EDEN survived two of it's opposing alliances, and it's about to outlive the third one as well.

HAIL EDEN
HAIL TERRA
o7

Sincerely, Z N Gorki.

ps. BeDva tnx for translation ;)

 

Comments

HomoPl.ato Day 1,717, 12:00

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gogo master
gogo master Day 1,717, 12:05

HAIL EDEN
HAIL TERRA
o7

Atea
Atea Day 1,717, 12:09

Srbijanska diplomacija ne treba nista ni raditi dok imaju najvecu stetu u igri. Tako da njihovu (ne)sposobnost nema smisla ni komentirati, ali ono po cemu se njihova vanjska politika najvise razlikuje od nase je sto smo mi odani saveznicima, a oni ih mijenjaju kao carape. Pa sama cinjenica da bi sa USA u savez sve govori..

eDarkAngel
eDarkAngel Day 1,717, 12:09

Hail Ukraine,
Hail Russia,
Hail EDEN,
Hail TERRA,
Hail Diplomacy,
Hail On the road again!

biiis
biiis Day 1,717, 12:11

tužno je to al istinito.

kako ja znam, srbija je promjenila puno saveznika, samo madžarska, makedonija i slovenija su ostale.

vidjet čemo kako dalje


zz

Z N Gorki
Z N Gorki Day 1,717, 12:16

@atea

prati ih glas da su sposobni diplomati , a zapravo nemaju pojma. Pa reko da se malo osvrnem na okolnosti u kojima njihova nebeska diplomacija postiže tako fantastične rezultate .

Dr_Revenue
Dr_Revenue Day 1,717, 12:17

Tko tebe s mitom ti njega s _____!

Pizuh
Pizuh Day 1,717, 12:25

Ma bre nemos protiv Nebeskog naroda.....

the goast rider
the goast rider Day 1,717, 12:31

nemoj tako bre po komsijama taman su se medusobno poklali a ti samo nadodajes ulje na vatru hehehe zanimljiv mi ovaj tijedan sa srbima xD

eDarkAngel
eDarkAngel Day 1,717, 12:31

@Atea

You loyal allies, who are you kidding?

Polish, Spanish, Bulgarian, who were you loyal to? By the way those are the 3 countries who have at one time or another kept you on the map, no it was never Romania, they always found a way to sign peace with Serbia.

Then again you deserve each other, together with Greece, Turkey and Ukraine are a perfekt match, you can sell anyone for your own interests.

Of course I forgot everyone is a traitor, never mind my bad.....

Ceki101
Ceki101 Day 1,717, 12:32

...da se srbi nebeski narod...

pa to je činjenica!

aTomicBomb Pro
aTomicBomb Pro Day 1,717, 12:33

odlican clanak o7

HladenSpricar
HladenSpricar Day 1,717, 12:34

Najbolji diplomati smo Janezi...

Ima nas cca. 30, lupa nas cca. 500 i niko ne može da nas briše... xD

Z N Gorki
Z N Gorki Day 1,717, 12:37

@eDarkAngel

you are missing the point of this article and spreading some bad propaganda. soon it will be published on english also. be patient a bit pls

AragornMS
AragornMS Day 1,717, 12:38

o/

mafima
mafima Day 1,717, 12:44

Hail Ukraine,
Hail Russia,
Hail EDEN,
Hail TERRA,
Hail Diplomacy,
Hail On the road again!

Duh sa Sjekirom
Duh sa Sjekirom Day 1,717, 12:55

eDarkAngel you are a fail troll.
Poland, Spain and Bulgars choose to leave themselves, nobody forced them. By the way why isn't Bulgaria in ONE? You decided to not have Serb or Poland masters so you formed your own alliance with ONE mpp? I see that everything smee again said about Bulgars is true.

ZmajOdPosavine
ZmajOdPosavine Day 1,717, 13:04

dobar clanak!


votah

Ante General
Ante General Day 1,717, 13:12

@eDarkAngel@ as far as i remember all three countries you named changed alliance not Croatia...Croatia is in EDEN since our country exist in game.....so why are you embarassing yourself with statements like that???? Your country even switched alliances several times and you are talking about betraying, honesty and loyality...give me a break and go troll somewhere else...no one is buying it here....

niksa004
niksa004 Day 1,717, 13:12

o/

Ante General
Ante General Day 1,717, 13:13

a za srpske diplomate poruka....ljubljene guzica svima redom NIJE ponavljam NIJE dobra diplomacija...to je samo odličan način da osramotiš svoju zemlju u virtualnoj igri i da te ljudi koje ti predstavljaš zamrze....

DominionHR
DominionHR Day 1,717, 13:24

vote

Atea
Atea Day 1,717, 13:35

eDarkangel had more suitable nickname before; Graverobber. Read and learn people, with his diplomacy and propaganda he kept his okd friends in Phoenix and fooled Bulgarian ppl to switch sides. Thats a real puppetmaster! Clap clap

mcmoox
mcmoox Day 1,717, 13:38

jbte zvucis kao da imas neki kompleks, sta tebi smetaju izjave Srba o svojim sposobnostima u diplomatiji / diplomaciji ?

Bas bzze...

Bolje procitaj nesto novo od Lunatica - http://www.erepublik.com/sr/article/-1-2094582/1/20 npr ...

MCMOOX je bio ovde!!!!

Stucna
Stucna Day 1,717, 13:40

v

Z N Gorki
Z N Gorki Day 1,717, 13:44

@mcmoox

kakvi bre kompleksi?

smeta mi to što se stvara neka lažna slika o njihovoj uspješnosti. između ostalog i ovo je neki oblik diplomacije. ako vaša diplomacija/diplomatija stvara o sebi takvu sliku , zašto ja nebih iznio svoje viđenje te iste slike?

pakija
pakija Day 1,717, 13:44

HAIL SRPSKA DIPLOMATIJA

kovac4y
kovac4y Day 1,717, 13:46

HAIL EDEN
HAIL TERRA
o7

volim karlovac
volim karlovac Day 1,717, 13:46

vote

HisAirness
HisAirness Day 1,717, 13:55

AVE Atlantis !
AVE EDEN !

mcmoox
mcmoox Day 1,717, 13:55

jbte pa to ja kao kad bih ja komentarisao npr Čupka : D ...

Mi diplomate nemamo od 2011 januara u eSrbiji, samo ljude zeljne virtuelne moci i popularnosti...
zadji je presao u Pakistance tada, i jos se nije vratio...igra tamo, ima snagu 5 k i ekstra mu je ...

Ovalni Chmar
Ovalni Chmar Day 1,717, 14:00

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
THIS LOL GOES TO DARKANGEL
You loyal allies, who are you kidding?

Polish, Spanish, Bulgarian, who were you loyal to?

this is epic seriously : )
and all of them actually changed side
bulgaria did it more then once, spain and poland are goin to do it soon again and again and again : )

Z N Gorki
Z N Gorki Day 1,717, 14:01

pa baš o vašim čupkovima i govorim . prema tome što ti kažeš oni se kite tuđim perijem i žive na staroj slavi nekih drugih ljudi , a sebe smatraju nebeskima

Frojla
Frojla Day 1,717, 14:02

neke stvari ne moze kupiti masa dmga..nit ostalo sto uz to ide
vec ono sto rekose atea i gorki... odanost ..a i nesebicnost

steVVEGI
steVVEGI Day 1,717, 14:25

Jbt, vi Hrvati, da znate da cutite, maltretirali bi nas bez problema... Ovako... Mi se tamo koljemo po miloj nam eSrbadiji medjusobno i vi napisete neki ovakav clanak i nateracete nas da se ujedinimo... xD

Brisi ovo, dok ne procitaju svi Srbi eSveta, onda bum naebali. xD

Sto se diplomatije tice - Bog silu ne voli, sila Boga ne moli. ;)

Shikamaru1
Shikamaru1 Day 1,717, 14:33

ja se nadam da ovim člankom nećeš probuditi njihovu svijest pa počnu i o tome razmišljat, ne pomažeš : P

v i s o/

Z N Gorki
Z N Gorki Day 1,717, 14:40

@vegi.vegi

ako ste razjedinjeni, sumnjam da ćete se zbog ovog članka ujediniti. ovaj članak ne mjenja ništa u poretku , samo razotkriva pravo stanje stvari.

steVVEGI
steVVEGI Day 1,717, 14:43

Ma, Gorki, nemas pojma kako nama malo treba. Eto, bili smo razjedinjeni, pa pocese da nas bombarduje tridesetak zemalja i mi se zbog te sitnice ujedinismo. xD

Cim su prestali da nas rokaju, mi se posibasmo medjusobno, pa zapalismo sami sebi skupstinu. :DDD

Z N Gorki
Z N Gorki Day 1,717, 14:52

ok , ali ti govoriš o tome da se sila ujedinila i ja vjerujem da će s vama uvjek biti tako, a ja govorim o umjeću pregovaranja i o tome da ste tu, istini za volju, slabi.

PEPITO 3
PEPITO 3 Day 1,717, 15:09

vote

karlmarx001
karlmarx001 Day 1,717, 15:16

v s

Karlo FTW
Karlo FTW Day 1,717, 15:38

srpska diplomacija x D
kad rade dmg vise nego mi i grci zajedno,kad imaju tolko botova da niti preko noci im niko nemoze uzet div1,ne treba im niti diplomacija,niti organizacija,niti pravi saveznici...namiste cotd i deri

BeDva
BeDva Day 1,717, 15:56

a di je hvala mome voljenom etati na vrhunskom prijevodu?? cpamota!!

ObIiterate
ObIiterate Day 1,717, 15:58

Graverobber/eDarkangel/Stoich/that other Bulgariatroll: WAFFLEWAFFLEWAFFLEWAFFLEWAFFLE

They follow Croats around everywhere like jilted lovers.

Chris Emma
Chris Emma Day 1,717, 16:04

Џаст ду ит!!

coolinbun
coolinbun Day 1,717, 16:09

niste uspeli u brisanju, pa sad kukate. JEdina razlika izmedju nas i vas je ta sto mi kad krenemo da gubimo ujedamo jedni drugi, dok vi ujedate protivnike. MIslim da je ova vasa taktika bolja.

Sto se tice srpske diplomatije... ispricao si gomilu stvari koje uopste nemaju veze sa diplomatijom.

Z N Gorki
Z N Gorki Day 1,717, 16:12

coolinbun

"Sto se tice srpske diplomatije... ispricao si gomilu stvari koje uopste nemaju veze sa diplomatijom."

točno to sam i mislio

Imoenbg1
Imoenbg1 Day 1,717, 16:12

Margie, this is so fail as propaganda on all levels it's not even funny.....

Serbia managed to keep itself on the map these days and now is on the offensive.

Is that your awesome diplomacy author?

Because 4 NEs just weren't enough, were they?
At least do it right......The way we did it while we were in EDEN.

Oh and Margie, Bedva sent me here ...Of course I follow Croats, it's where the amusement is

bozimano dorks
bozimano dorks Day 1,717, 16:15

vegi je u pravu sa ovim clankom samo nas ujedinjuješ odmah radi srpski inat

BeDva
BeDva Day 1,717, 16:15

just because you're stalking me, doesn't mean I sent you here Imoen xD

honestly, I think our side failed in the military/tactical planning aspect of this offensive, but that does not make gorki's point (about how serbia manages to succeed) any less true...

 
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