Question for those supporting Miyagiyoda
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by atrawall
This isn't a slander towards him before you get all defensive.
Why do you support the Russia deal?
Do you think we need the Gold?
If so, what do you think we do with this Gold?
If you think we need the Gold, then why don't we rent all of our Regions?
I hear people saying all the time "I hate Brazil, but we can't beat them."
"We are too Small"
"We have no Plan"
"We don't have allies who care about us"
"We don't have any BIG allies."
There is a plan presented. We are working nonstop on getting this setup. Currently there is the BEST plan we've EVER had in place to actually take on Brazil. We have allies seeking us out, who want to help us liberate our country. Whether it's also to serve their own agenda or not is unimportant. These countries are seeking us out. People have been WAITING for South Africa to stop being a vassal state to Brazil. WE hold the key to Brazil's Power. Everyone knows it. We have given them 5 Regions that they NEVER have to fight for. They NEVER have to worry about losing those bonuses, because we are a small country and even if we rebel, they just wipe us and take them anyways. People are tired of them having this power.
Now is the time to step up. Support a plan. If it fails, then we may have messed up, but we have a plan. We have an option. If we do win, and If we see it's unsustainable, then we renegotiate with Brazil maybe for more money.
Their power lies with us. It's time to show them that they need to respect us. We need more money or we are going to deal with them as we know how. They Might have plenty of "friends" but so does USA and look how colorful they are now... Where did Russia turn? Who knows, maybe we ask our new buddies to help us out in OUR time of need. See if they return the favor.
I challenge Miyagiyoda to step up to the plate. You have citizens asking you to do something. Why deny them? Help us.
Your citizens who are loyal to you are sacred. Become that Man who rallied the troops with promises of an open bird cage. Take an objective look at the situation and help these citizens not be scared.
Take the leap. Embrace the future. Its a revolution, baby.
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why not hear them out then take a full vote (including all south african ingame citizens not just those you want)?
Great article.
Another thing to mention is that if all these Miya/Grim drones that still say Brazil is our ally then why do they fear asking for independence? If they really are our friend like you say then they should let us be free and independent without a war.
I don't think Those guys you mentioned actually see Brazil as a friend. I think that they are just in that group that is afraid. I don't mean this in a bad way. By changing this, we are taking a huge risk, but I thinks it will be liberating for everyone.
Claudio approved. Miya is not friend of Brazilians, he is just afraid of ending this deal 'cause he does not want to see eSA wiped out. Some are fine with that thinking that they will fall fighting but Miya wants to stay on the map with every cost🙂
only cos he doesn't want to be a cp who gets us wiped, its more saving his own reputation
Voted!!!
This is the right time for SA to raise up, start having conversations with the people that would help SA to be completely free and to stop being Brazil and CoT backyard.
Australia, NZ and Argentina have followed that example. CoT thought that would easily wipe Argentina again, but failed to do it this time. Argentina got organized and got help from old and new allies and is still standing, and even more, some CoT countries are in danger of losing Congress this 25th.
Don't waste this great oportunity, CoT is failing all around the eworld. You can get help, it's just a matter of organization! Signing MPP with Uruguay is the first step. Don't go back!
Voted!
Let's do something people...
Voted! The time is right for a revolution!
Voted ! No more traitors in eSA !
Why force a revolution down our throats? Two weeks ago, there was talks about revolution, but the conclusion was that so e are not ready and eSA is not ripe for such a thing. As long as you do not have a majority behind you, and most of 'the plan' is been done in secret, or to the revolutionary elites (if I may call them that), it will fail. Have you ever thought that by forcing something onto someone it will make them rebel even more?
We are called names because we dont fall in with the plan... We are being forced to do so ething we are not ready for. But fine, push ahead. I might not agree with Miyagi 100%, but I agree with the revolution even less.
The time is NOT now.
2 weeks ago we were ready. Your party provided a candidate with his slogan: "Take the leap. Embrace the future. Its a revolution, baby."
We voted him into office. I think we were ready for it to begin.
1 week ago Nickerball said she was ready to vote Jizzie into office to war Brazil.
We have currently setup the plan that is good. It could use a few tweaks or ideas, but suddenly those people are now against it?
As far as I can see, judging from the voices, you 3 are the only ones against it. I'd like to hear others explain if they feel this way.
I have expressed my discontent with the way people are handling things. Calling people that disagree with you names is not a way to go about convincing them to join you, and I'm not doing that. Miyagiyoda is the exception as he put himself in the position to receive such insults.
Also, you say these things unaware that it's exactly what happened with the OPPOSITE side of the table. Secret meetings, citizens being excluded. We can't include everyone in a meeting with Uruguay, but I think the revolutionaries have done a pretty damn good job keeping the public informed as to our plans.
Your party, Claudio. You seem to forget where you live.
You have kept everyone informed except the one person who can push the button. You aim to fail from the start.
I have never turned anyone away. I have never refused to listen to a plan. I have never been scared to pick holes in it until I am satisfied its solid. Perhaps the scrutiny is too much. Perhaps you have wandered so far off base that you believe your own propaganda.
There is a plan. It does not involve us getting wiped and deserted like Argentina will surely do with us like they do with every single ally they have ever had. Uruguay and Colombia I have all the time in the world for. Argentina? You mad bru?
wrt, it was not my party at the time you were proposed which is why I made the distinction. I actually originally had Our party, but figured it wasn't a proper representation of the party at the time.
I remember very well there was a newspaper where we were talking where I specifically said that I would be interested in the revolution movement. But for the love of me, I cannot remember who said that eSA was not ready, but I think it was either jizzie or rico. Almost sure it was jizzie.
There was no secret meetings. The discussion was on the forum, where it should have been and the way it has been done plenty times before, on the forum in the congressional hall, not in secret. And then we had a power outtage on the forum. When have congress ever had a huge outcome anywhere? It has always been a problem. But suddenly now it is been done is secret? It has been decided by most when Leon went wayward with RTP and the lazos that they were a security risk. And it was known. Now suddenly he cries wolf and wonders why he was not informed? Nr 1, he is not in congress, so he did not receive a pm. Even if he was, it brings me to nr2, RTP members were a security risk due to rogue cs approvals and not giving a damn about eSA. Last time I checked those people were excluded from congressional decissions. Everyone was fine with these desicions, until now. Makes one wonder why...
More than likely it was Rico or Myself. We have always been more moderate DB members. But now that here's a plan, we have been convinced otherwise.
I'd like to know Seisan's opinion on this. There's a plan in place and if it doesn't work then nothing ever will. It's up to us to decide.
Miya for CP!!! Whoo hoo!!!
Miya made campaign statements/promises, so he either lied in his campaign to get elected, or he is just failing to live up to those standards.
just to get elected I think
Its very hard to deliver when you have a core dedicated to blocking your efforts at every turn. Brazil's CAT has not helped either and can be directly blamed for cranking up the frustration all South Africans have with Brazil. Brazil are fully aware of this but they are helpless in the face of a deeply divided country. Its a pity that we can relate so deeply.
While the Russian deal is controversial - I knew this from the original close vote in-thread which is why I shoulder full responsibility - it's a necessary evil to move the country out of its cage. Not because its a wonderful deal in it own right (its a favour that has some benefits), but because it unlocks new options. The public outcry has had negative and positive effects.
Along come the rebels without a clue and thrust two hostile MPPs on us that guarantee Brazilian antagonism. That's unfair on the rebels -- Congress supports them in torpedoing South Africa. The very same people who agreed that we are not ready?
How is this all me now? An outcry is one thing. direct sabotage a different story. When did I ever propose going full retard because some people have more passion than brains?
Why is it suddenly a good idea to agitate to fight Brazil one on one? Why is it okay to accept known PTO risks in the name of liberty? Wake up. Think.
As I said earlier in the week, I am still in support of the Brazil-SA deal despite the growing resentment for our neighbors. If we do agree to break away, cool, I'm all for it. There are thing to keep in mind though. Probably the biggest thing is our budget. It was brought up before how our deal with Brazil makes up over half of our monthly income. I know we have a ton of money in reserve, but that alone will only be able to sustain our MPPs and other costs for so long. The other big thing is our other, not so friendly neighbor, Indonesia. We hate Indo and Indo wants our regions; there's no beating around the bush about that. I would dare say a war with Indo would be inevitable in that scenario whether they attack first for region bonuses or we attack them to help out our bros in NaN. Will these new TWO MPPs be enough to support that war? Will we be able to get the support we need? Bigger countries are notorious for only supporting small countries when it is convenient for them (ie Russia), and we would need a TON of support to take on Indo.
No matter what, I want Russia out of our country. Period. They have no business being here and would love to see them gone. More importantly, we need to send the clear message we are not CoT puppets and do not go begging to Brazil for every decision. We are a part of NaN first and foremost. Brazil, I don't mind having around, but I won't cry if we decide to not renew the contract and RW our regions back. My main concerns are centered around the aftermath of the contract breaking and whether or not eSA will be able to sustain itself either economically or militarily.
Seisan, we have a plan for all of them. Brazil, Russia, Indonesia. But with a puppet president, it's hard to make them accordingly. He is sending SSs from our National Assembly. He is offering to pay 250 golds to Brazil. He is trying to make a choice which is good for Brazil in every way. What can we do in a situation like this? Still I'm not complaining, we are trying our best with a very few people.
Even without calling him names, he hasn't been the best when dealing with the citizens of our community. (Others than those he was already BFFL's with)
I think that the fact that our National Assembly is compromised is bullshit. If we can't even talk on our forums without Brazil knowing, then Miyagiyoda is not the man for the job. We need a new way of dealing.
You know, I'll just mention that you guys have been doing a very poor job of containing information. As far as I am aware there are no spies on your forums, you are just leaking a ton of information on public places.
Also, thx for responding, I like hearing your answers. PM Leon if you would like more details.
I find it funny that you are trying to "use" TWO to "ged rid of the brazilian oppressors (sic)". I hope you guys know that you are being used and that they have their own agenda, that certainly does not include small countries from other alliances, and you have thrown a friendship that had been going on for about two years in the garbage.
If your CP had asked to break the deal officially, there would be no hard feelings - but the way you are doing it now, by signing MPPs with our enemies in the middle of a world war, is pretty much treason. It may take a while, but there will be consequences.
Our CP doesn't listen to public consensus and has been acting on his own.
If Brazil actually had smaller countries in mind, then they would actually listen to us (Once again, I'm aware some do) and deal with our wishes. We've been disgruntled for quite some time. Most are just too afraid to consider the option of you guys actually needing us more than we need you.
Why hasn't Brazil approached us about renegotiating the "Deal" to better benefit eSA? With the way BRazil is currently divided, I wouldn't say we are preparing for Treason, I would say that we are preparing for CAT to decide they don't think we deserve anything. If Brazil cared about smaller countries they might have actually considered NAN, or not sat idly by while Australia was decimated. The only small country Brazil cares about is us, if you have no other fights, or we raise enough complaint that you get concerned about the bonuses we provide.
I trust some of you guys, but as a GIANT country, I don't. Your country is divided, as is ours. We are simply preparing for you in case the wrong side wins.
Russia was till not an issue and Cody is known to fade away when the sun shines a little hot on the people
Why exactly is my name in your post?
"Cody is known to fade away when the sun shines a little hot on the people"
Could you say that in proper english, and I've love to know where you get off talking about me as if you know me.
Was my reason why I supported Miyagiyoda, why I voted for him and not for you. Been round the block a lot, seen how you acted before when things got hot
I think he refers to your silence these past weeks.
In fairness, I know you have been busy in NaN. Its the curse of international work -- the locals miss you.