pto - the monthly routine
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by lin0leum
as brunocnd once described two main types of pto: "a PTO is a Political Take Over. The PTOer's goals are take country money and gold away for their own or/and do what they want with our country."
the different pto groups act differently. the pto group currently in gvt disguise itself as an anti-pto and wants to make other pto attempts look like terrorist actions or even cheating, to help them stay at the trough.
but pto is very legal. it's a result of political competition and it's not fraudulent by default. pto may or may not inculde cheating. the pto is neither good nor bad by default. it's only the mean to put good or bad things into effect.
other pto groups with ambitions not to rule, but only take funds away and vanish, may exist. the extremely hoarded state treasury teases their greedy possesive minds and urges them to take it.
the ruling pto groups often incite nationalism and use xenophobic declarations in attempts to get rid of this unwanted competition from abroad. the immigration restrictions and offices r simply the effective obstacle for OTHER rivalry pto groups, to get into the country to threaten the dominant position of CURRENT pto group in charge.
every political party is competing to seize the political power.
every political party is in a chase for their own pto of the pp, congress and cp.
in case of lcc we r after to block the abuse of the power. to prevent both types of ptos mentioned above.
to move the power to the clicking masses and let the whole local populace organise stuff for ourselves.
to bring the state machinery to its possible minimum within the game mechanics.
let's forward towards the next pto competition, eufemistically called elections.
in equality
lin0leum, lcc pp operator
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What's your position about Founding belgian armies like BTA and BNA?
training academy is a good idea. but national armies should be abolished.
Could you explain more please? Would you change current supplies to BTA?
What would you propose if you abolish BNA?
2 tanks is laughable compared to the support paras recieve. equal redistribution of the state revenues will bring a lot more tanks for the low lvls than current bta subsidy.
any mu not privileged by the gvt.
even if the lowlevels who more likely will go either haywire or afk. you would still give them even supplies as elite troops thata ctually use them for other uses then their daily DO
The PARAs do more for Belgium than all of the BTA and BCA combined and deserve more supplies. They have EARNED it. Of course you believe everyone should get something for nothing, because that's how you survive IRL 😛
I earn my own money and believe in personal responsibility.
So, why in the case of the PTO by LCC is it necessary to cheat using multiple accounts and foreign agents ? Are you so incompetent that you can not convince the population of eBelgium to vote for you ?
"2 tanks is laughable compared to the support paras recieve. equal redistribution of the state revenues will bring a lot more tanks for the low lvls than current bta subsidy."
I don't really fight a lot, so I should get the equal amount of tanks of someone who fights everyday a b*ttload?
I'm actually happy I don't get that much supplies, otherwise my storage would crash every day 😛
So the LCC want to use the money of eBelgium to fund a foreign communist MU, Libertad ? I guess this is a PTO... : - /
>nohjis: do u have any proofs other than ur screenshot?
>gibberish: they have earned it how? by being around for much longer than new players? have they earned their infinte lead in stats infront of the nwe players? so that's why we need to boost them even more into the godlike mode and beyond?
ps. mixing RL into the game is irrelevant
>cooke: if u feel the tax refund is too high for u, u can alwayz donate the excessive part to some private mu and help them boost their own stats.
>thomasre😛 nope, the money of belgium belongs to local people, no matter their persuations are. the residents of belgium may use it for whatever they want. they might give it all away to private elite nercissus clubs, if they feel so.
Silly articles are silly. Strange that the LCC ignore the term of legitimacy. They whine about fairness but cheat to get what they want. I do not see newbs from other people whining? They say a picture is worth a thousand words and that pic you do not like lin0 shows guilt. Wim does deal with multi. In past election with many LCC members being banned shows LCC are cheats.
In the past, when this game began, it was much harder for new people to play. They have to worry about work skills and which skills are in demand. Training and fighting are much harder and slower. There was not much aid and normal salaries for newbs are like .10 currency while food and weapons are expensive for these newbs. The game is not so anymore. No job skills, each work day they earn like 200 CC and cost of living is cheap. You cannot expect newbs to be equal to romper.
the economy module should definitely return to how it was before, including the orgs. it is pretty much phucked up tooday.
Konrad Neumann: In the past, when this game began, it was much harder for new people to play.
lin0leum: the economy module should definitely return to how it was before, including the orgs. it is pretty much phucked up today.
More stupidity....
Also linoleum the PARAs earn their funding by fighting a ridiculous amount every day in battles as directed by the MoD. Thereby serving our nation and deserving more supplies than a normal citizen who does only the DO.
Another tentative of Wim to manipulate the eBelgian citizens, this time by writing an article for one of his puppets...
paras r supplied and privileged by the gvt => paras can fight ridiculous amount every day in battles => paras r given more supplies from gvt => paras fight even more battles .... ur reasoning in circle don't impress me
i have already seen that before with Shadow
Bta is a good project : of course that will make the best progress for our new players.
You really forgot something : the country is political system + president + army.
The army is very important, it is the representant in a battle of our country. Private military?
A joke for me or a rich representant.
i don't care about private mus, until they don't leech publick phunds.
what we need is public and democratic mus. peoples' militias. fairly strong citizen masses, instead of uber-strong few elites, who don't even follow the cp requests, as they have pledged.
As everyone knows I also do not agree about the para's funding. I am however not against the funding of the armies. I am completely for the citizens packs (I think they are a wonderful thing) as well as boost your strength 1 and 2.
However my strategy to stop the para's funding has always been the democratic way.
What isn't a democratic way is giving a bunch of none eBe citizens CS (that are from your group) to take over the country. Indeed for me this is a hostile PTO attempt.
And in no way democratic. Rather the opposite of democratic. Clearly the majority of the eBe citizens are pro the para's. It should be the LCC job (as I have tried) to convince others that these fundings are not good.
But by only giving people eBe CS that agree with you, you are not following democracy but are instead trying to overrun the democratic majority.
I am not even talking about creating multis, cause I agree that this has not really been proven. But that the LCC is only giving CS
to people from their "international" group is without a doubt. And just as bad.
That is my opinion and I am sure this is the opinion of the majority of all eBe citizens (2-clickers and those who are more active). Actually I am sure this is the opinion of the majority of ALL eRepublik players!
lin0leum: Do you have anything other then Wim's word to prove he's innocent ? He has been found guilty, that is the fact proven in that screenshot. Are you now denying the LCC invites foreign agents to eBe to gain power ? You talk about the local population but get blinded by your idealism and systematically replace the local population by foreign agents.
Instead of blaming paras for everything, propose a solution in congress and convince the people this is the better option.
btw I also agree that the old economical module was waaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyy better and orgs where just fun and great to create communes etc. And I also hope they bring much of that back. But this has very little to do with the current affairs in eBe. that is not our CP, gov, congress or elite fault but that of the erep admin.
>avegan: "What isn't a democratic way is giving a bunch of none eBe citizens CS" so who do we give the citizenship passes to? does this mean cm can give cs pass only to an already eBe citizen? is there any logic in it? u've became a bit xenofobic lately.
u try to deny lcc what every other party in belgium does. u call lcc undemocratic, while mostly lcc members voted yes on the progressive referendum hope made. unlike lots of ur new allies who turned this proposal down and helepd to reject it democratically. when they gave cs passes to their friends before, u havent uttered a word. double standards?
>nohjis: so now the citizen needs to bring proofs that s/he is innocent? now is every citizen guilty by default?
the possible temporary ban on wim's character could have meant admins made an error and there was insufficient evidence of multiing.
paras r leeching from the general populace, how can lcc possibly not blame them? anyway there were several proposals in newspapers. even on the erepbelgium congress, which in current form is a bit too little democratic.
Other parties do not give CS without first voting on it. You and all other congress members of the LCC can take part in these votes. Yes not all citizens can vote but at least it is more democratic than 1 person deciding who you need to give your CS passes to.
And it isn't because others vote a referendum down that at once they are less democratic. If I wouldn't accept that than I would be undemocratic, not the other way around...
lin0leum the effective temporary ban Wim received and admitted to have received himself was clearly noted by admins as related to the use of multiple accounts. It's only innocent until proven guilty and he has been proven guilty by the admins. The admins can be the only judges in this type of case and I have full trust in their care to see that justice is done.
Neither you, lin0leum, or Wim has ever proposed a change in funding on erepbelgium (the official forum and the place where this funding was accorded) which is fully democratic. Neither of you have attempted to discuss things in a civilized manner to try and convince congress there either. Citizens in the newspaper have rejected your proposed change.
This is open for everyone to see. No, inviting other people in the country just to replace the local population can not be seen as democracy.
Silly people who think the country should be open to anyone. :')
>nohjis: why did the admins unban wim so?
>avegan: erepbelgium is not democratic until all citizens can vote.
if u wouldn't accept democratically elected nsdap then u would be undemocratic? (forgive me the rl remark)
In a democracy representatives (members of congress) that are elected by the people vote on laws. Every congress member (including the once from the LCC) can vote on CS requests.
The majority of eBe citizens think this is a good system. Only a minority (some LCC members) think different. But because they are a minority they are giving away CS in an undemocratic order.
Really that has absolutely NOTHING to do with democracy. Or the LCC should follow the democratic process or stop saying
they are for absolute democracy and are the voice of the people..
lin0leum, It's amusing you pretend you don't understand the difference between temporarily banned and having a permanent ban reverted. As obviously shown in the screenshot Wim was temporarily banned, he was not unbanned, the temporary ban ended at the foreseen time as with everything that is deemed temporary.
lot of blablablah not very much substance in this article
>avegan: in representative democracy (what u suddenly support) it's up to the congressmember who s/he gives the cs pass to. without begging a gvt for permission.
enkel echte Belgen zouden wapens mogen ontvangen , ipv het corrupte systeem nu!
jullie zitten hier maar wat te lullen dat je jullie meer kils halen...
LOGIES ALS JULLIE ALLE WAPENS RIPPEN!