PTO’S the Historic view
Sir_c0nstant
Looking at the PTO history in eAustralia, you would think we enjoy it....
What do I mean by this,
well take for example the Republican party of Australia, it was a party started by William Archibald Collins only 2 weeks ago, he put in approx 80 gold to get the party started, made ads and tried to create something as all would say “the right way”. But because it was new, it was vulnerable and some people decided to steal it from under him. Think!! William had done nothing wrong and was trying to recruit members and make a go of it. It has now been changed to the Order of Knights of Techlar.
But there has been no outcry!!!
Now we look at the PaPP, it came about from the PTO of a party also, it was originally the eLabour party, and again there was no objection to the PTO because it didn’t threaten the TOP 5, the objections came later.
And the trend continues….
True Blue Party came from the Advance Australia Alliance
Australian Military Party came from the Australian Monarchy Party
Australian New Ideas was called the Australian Zombie party
The Pirate Party was called the Liberal party of Australia*
All of those where peaceful as in no outcry mainly because they where small parties.
*yes there was a liberal party before
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Australian National Party, Australian Communist Party, More Beer Party and the Australian Independents are the parties still in their original form.
The Australian Nationals did survive a PTO attempt 4 months ago by Barnabas Stinson (Ajay Bruno).
eRepublik Alliance was called the Green and Gold party and before that The Party.
The “The Party” was PTO’d and did cause some minor consternation at the time.
Now it gets to the interesting PTO.
Australian labour party became the ADSP, and then went through a few name changes to become the Australian Democratic Party now known as The liberal party of Australia.
My views on this PTO and how it happened and the alternative view…
This PTO has come about due to a recent split in the party, which weakened the party to such an extent that the leadership had lost control with the majority of the party.
As in most parties there is a fair percentage of “2-clickers” or “sheep” that just go through the motions, what has happened here is now because the party lost almost a quarter of its active members it became bottom heavy and prime to be PTO’d by the voice who is most authoritative. We know that Pizza the Hut and Brenflakes messaged all members, approx 200 at the time of election. We know that the party do primaries on the forums, but from what I know only approx 5% had input in these primaries, so that tells the leadership they have an inactivity problem, but due to a lack of concerted effort and media releases to alert the members to their preferred candidate, they got complacent and assumed Brenflakes as in previous elections would win easy. Now comes the crunch, at the start of the election Pizza actually got a small head start, this combined with the sheep effect where the inactive members just click the top vote button, propelled Pizza to an unassailable lead, but in truth he only got 58 vote, just over a quarter of the membership, so there is still over 140 votes up for grabs, but Brenflakes only secured 28 of them. Over 110 members didn’t vote.
When you take into account that Brenflakes during the vote also appealed to other parties for help this is an extraordinary result and a slap in the face for the leadership.
Regardless of whether Pizza the Hut is allegedly Ajay Bruno (still to be proved and I believe an IG/admin issue)
He did win the election by some margin, and unless those 58 voters start getting a voice and expressing why they voted for Pizza over Brenflakes we can only assume that the membership thought that, Yes, scarily enough that Pizza the hut is the right person for them!
The Fallout…
When you consider the facts and see that over half the party abstained from voting and that two thirds of those that voted, voted for the non-preferred candidate, is damning for the supposed leadership efforts in the build up to the election and how active the party is.
After a call for members to leave the party, the party still has over 160 members?
Are they sheep, 2 – clickers or do they really want a change of leadership?
We also now have members of the government talking about “conspiring to rig “ elections to limit the perceived damage that could be caused.
Entering dangerous territory now. This reaction is due to the fact that, the party is a top 5 party and can field candidates for senate, and thus sway the balance of power still. But due to the fact that the party has a lower level of active members now, it would be hard for them to get a sizable number of senators.
Add to that the fact that Pizza has also put himself up for Country president, highlights another problem, in that as a top 5 party he doesn’t need an endorsement from another party.
With all the negative publicity about him, and the calibre of candidates against him so far, I would assume he would/should have no chance, and to withdraw from the race to resolve that conflict and actually put it to the liberal party members who they wish to endorse.
I’ve tried to give a perspective to you as to what has happened before, and why this occasion it is different, as you can see a lot of things had to happen to get this result, and regardless of whether Pizza the Hut is Ajay or not just highlights the precarious position that eAustralia is in, in regards to being PTO’d.
Remember Pizza the Hut has done nothing wrong by eRep law, if he does/has then I am sure tickets would have been sent regarding him and if found guilty he would be banned, that hasn’t happened yet and as such we have to learn to either cope with the situation or persuade him that there are other avenues for him to go down.
I hope you read this far, and now understand what has happened, and remember it’s just a game, and this is just another challenge to overcome.
Sir_c0nstant
Comments
A nice overview of party histories in Australia, and a good point to remember that this is indeed, a game. (and a pretty buggy one, at that!)
Don't worry - as a veteran of Ajay's rhetoric in several countries, I can confirm that it is indeed him. There shouldn't be any doubt in anyone's mind. It's pretty obvious if you're at all familiar with his modus operandi.
Great history lesson SC. Unfortunately I think you are correct when you say it is ultimately up to the admins to determine when/if Pizza the Hut should be banned or not. Until that time it's innocent until proven guilty and we just have to overcome and move forward.
Great article SC.
Unfortunately, we will continue to face these issues in the future as we have too many political parties for such a small active player base.
Excellent article, very good history of PTOs within Australia.
I can confirm that Barnabas Stinson and Pizza the Hut are the same user - and seeing as Barnabas is banned for being a multi. Well, that kinda sums it up.
Hi, sir_c - Thanks for not calling the ERA a PTO - lord knows they've been accused of everything else 😛 Hope you're well
😁 Bass rulez
If the conduct of the PTO'er is illegal i.e. through use of multis then they should be banned. But if the PTO'er simply gets more votes than the encumbent well tough cheddar.
It seemed OK for Tecchi to PTO the Republican Party and then in the same breath Pizza the Hut is decried. Unless someone can prove he is a multi, put up or shut I say.
Will someone be reporting Tecchi to the Inspector-General? I don't think that will be happening now will it... I don't actually mind that tecchi PTO'd the Republican Party but that community has to react in a consistant manner otherwise this is how the perception of elites is created. PTO's are approved for some and outlawed for others??
From what I can see, any party is fair game, and if the organisation is lazy and disorganised enough to let some random person take them over then they have FAILED.
Thanks SC for the history lesson, PTO's are part of the game, I guess everyone is just shocked it could happen to one of our biggest parties.
If it was done illegally then we must rely on the admins to deal with it, we could be waiting a while. If it was done legally then the ADP leadership have alot of soul searching to do.
Guys, report me to the IG please.. itd be heaps fun! 😃
At this moment I think of the wise words of the great heavy, ahem CRY SOEM MOAR! Thank you constant for pointing out what a true PTO is.
Nice bit of history SC - we need more of this, lest we forget
Perhaps one of the most balanced articles I have ever seen in eRep.
The Australian Zombie Party was a Fake "PTO", the original owner quickly quit due to in activity, you can read the official change of Zombie Party from Awesome Party, and its identity of its name, here:
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/a-very-shpecial-update-on-the-awesome-party--1001173/1/20" target="_blank">http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/a-ve[..]/1/20
The Aust New Ideas Party was a new party also it ever PTO ed another party
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I eat cold pizza for breakfast
For a newbie like me it did help me understand what had happened and what just happened thanks mate very well put article. Come on Australia lets get this bastards!