Proposal / הצעה
Joshua Hoss
The Problem
Right now we have a divided community. No one person is responsible for the division, but almost everyone in the country (save a few) helped create and foster this divide. Everyday it seems to get worse with racism and threats being tossed about by both sides. The divide has even gotten to the point of boycotts of public forums.
What this means is that we do not have a unified eIsrael. One side wants to fight with the other and so forth. The biggest problem is we have no place for both sides to meet except in are articles. The problem with meeting in articles is that it ultimately de-evolves into mud slinging and shouting because the admins of this game have very generic rules they enforce. We need a meeting ground that is fair and safe for all.
The Threat
A certain member of our community has made several threats in public articles recently. Some of those threats are that people need to “stop asking questions” and to “go with the flow”. That is very dangerous thinking that can do a lot of harm to our country. We do not need zombies, we need people who can think of ideas and solutions to our problems.
Forcing people to “step down” because they do not “conform” is a threat to us all. Look at our country - we are a mixing pot. We have people from many different areas with many different back grounds. That should make us stronger, not weaker. Silencing a group of people only makes matters worse by stepping on citizens of our great country.
The Proposal
The player slinging the mud made the cry that I was the sole person responsible for all of this. I disagree. But I’ll prove that I’m not rather than continue to argue. Here is what I propose.
I will step down as administrator of the official forum for eIsrael (http://erepublikisrael.freeforums.org/index.php) if the following criteria are met:
1. Two players are selected to replace me as administrators of the forum. These players will be one (1) foreign player and one (1) FXP using player. They will share the powers of administrator equally.
2. I will help these players Administer the forum for a term of one (1) week after their selection. I will show them how to add users and groups, moderate forums, and modify the forum if need be. Once the week trial is over I will remove my administrator rights.
3. The two new administrators agree to not modify the forum unless asked to by the Knesset (Knesset and General related forums) or President (Cabinet forum). The Knesset must have a majority vote on the change with at least twenty (20) votes being placed.
4. The two new administrators agree to NEVER remove a post or thread posted by ANY player on the forum. They will have the power to lock or split topics if needed but should not remove any topic.
5. The two new administrators agree to never add any other administrators to the forum. In the event one of them wishes to resign a new administrator will be selected by the Knesset to fill the role of the leaving administrator (foreigner to replace foreigner, FXPer to replace FXPer).
6. Perfect.Knight may not be an administrator of this forum. Sorry, but if he wants me to step down and stop being a polarizing figure I’m going to ask the same of him.
Those are the 6 conditions I have.
The Response
I am truly interested in seeing the response to this article. I’m offering to remove the biggest complaint (me) and work with the other side here. All I have are 6 conditions to make sure that the forum is administered correctly without any issues. If the other side truly wants to work with me then they will at least consider this proposal and help me make it work.
Let’s see what happens. That is all I can ask.
Joshua Hoss
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הבעיה
כרגע יש לנו קהילה מפולגת. אין אדם אחד אחראי על החלוקה, אבל כמעט כולם בארץ (לחסוך כמה) עזר ליצור ולטפח את הפער. היומיום נראה להחמיר עם גזענות ואיומים מושלך על ידי שני הצדדים. לחלק קיבל אפילו עד לנקודה של חרמות של הפורומים הציבוריים.
פירוש הדבר הוא, כי אין לנו eIsrael מאוחדת. צד אחד רוצה לריב עם השני וכן הלאה. הבעיה הכי גדולה היא שאין לנו מקום לשני הצדדים להיפגש מלבד הם מאמרים. הבעיה עם הפגישה במאמרים היא כי בסופו של דבר דה מתפתח לתוך הבוץ הטלת וצעק כי מנהלים של המשחק הזה יש חוקים כלליים מאוד שהם אוכפים. אנחנו צריכים הקרקע לפגישה כי הוא הוגן ובטוח לכל.
האיום
חבר מסוימות של הקהילה שלנו הפכה איומים כמה מאמרים הציבור לאחרונה. כמה איומים אלה שאנשים צריכים "להפסיק לשאול שאלות" ו "ללכת עם הזרם". כי הוא חושב מסוכן מאוד שיכול לעשות הרבה נזק למדינה שלנו. אנחנו לא צריכים זומבים, אנחנו צריכים אנשים יכולים לחשוב על רעיונות ופתרונות לבעיות שלנו.
אנשים לאלץ "לרדת" בגלל שהם לא "מתאימים" מהווה איום על כולנו. תסתכל על המדינה שלנו - אנחנו סיר ערבוב. יש לנו אנשים מאזורים שונים עם הרבה מטעמים שונים לאחור. זה אמור לגרום לנו חזק, לא חלש. השתקת קבוצה של אנשים רק עושה את העניינים עוד יותר על ידי דריכה על אזרחי המדינה הגדולה שלנו.
ההצעה
השחקן הטלת הבוץ עשה את בוכה כי הייתי האדם היחיד אחראי על כל זה. אני לא מסכים. אבל אני אוכיח שאני לא מאשר להמשיך להתווכח. הנה מה שאני מציע.
אני יפרוש כמנהל הפורום הרשמי eIsrael (http://erepublikisrael.freeforums.org/index.php) אם הקריטריונים הבאים מתקיימים:
1. שני השחקנים נבחרו להחליף אותי בתור מנהלי הפורום. שחקנים אלה יהיה אחד (1) שחקן זר אחד (1) נגן FXP שימוש. הם יחלקו את סמכויות המנהל באותה מידה.
2. אני יעזור אלה שחקנים לנהל את הפורום לתקופה של שבוע (1) אחד אחרי הבחירה שלהם. אני אראה להם כיצד להוסיף משתמשים וקבוצות, פורומים מתונה, ולשנות את הפורום אם יהיה בכך צורך. לאחר בדיקה השבוע הוא מעל אני תסיר זכויות מנהל שלי.
3. שני מנהלים חדשים מסכים שלא לשנות את הפורום, אלא אם התבקש על ידי הכנסת (בכנסת ופורומים כללי בנושא) או נשיא (בפורום הקבינט). הכנסת חייבת להיות ברוב קולות על השינוי עם לפחות עשרים (20) קולות שיוצבו.
4. שני מנהלים חדשים להסכים לעולם לא להסיר הודעה או חוט פורסמה על ידי כל שחקן בפורום. הם יצטרכו את הכוח לנעול או לפצל נושאים אם יש צורך, אבל לא צריך להסיר את כל הנושא.
5. שני מנהלים חדשים להסכים לא להוסיף כל מנהלי אחרים בפורום. ב אירוע אחד מהם מבקש להתפטר למנהל החדש ייבחר על ידי הכנסת למלא את תפקידו של מנהל עוזב (זר להחליף זר, FXPer להחליף FXPer).
6. Perfect.Knight לא יכול להיות מנהל של הפורום הזה. סליחה, אבל אם הוא רוצה אותי להתפטר ולהפסיק להיות דמות הקיטוב אני הולך לשאול אותה ממנו.
אלה הם 6 מצבים לי.
תגובה
אני באמת מעוניין לראות את התגובה למאמר זה. אני מציע להסיר את התלונה הגדולה ביותר (אותי) ולעבוד עם הצד השני כאן. יש לי רק 6 תנאים כדי לוודא הפורום מנוהל כהלכה ללא בעיות. אם הצד השני באמת רוצה לעבוד איתי ואז הם יוכלו לפחות לשקול את ההצעה לעזור לי לגרום לזה לעבוד.
בואו לראות מה קורה. זה כל מה שאני יכול לבקש.
Joshua Hoss
Comments
Thanks for reading.
I'll volunteer as one of the administrators.
sighs....
GL Hoss
Let us hope this proposal works... Even at this cost..
A nice tongue sandwich can bring all sides together. Everyone agrees on tongue.
And happy Hanukkah.
the forum isn't working for me...
Soon we will have a new forum.
Soon we will have a new forum.
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Oh g-d, not this shit again.
Sounds fair, Hoss.
Actually yes,no one is going to use these forum anymore, we are having new forum in a PRIVATE SERVER means it is our forever AD-FREE with our rules and our changes and our ability to modify the setting the forums or anything else in it and have way more protection.
I know its gonna piss you off probably but for matter of sake if you claim to be so good admin you should step up and be one of its admins if it is acceptable by the entire community.
Plus I'm not sure where anyone said you are responsible for all the mess if any... you are not responsible, you are part of it and its keep going to be like it becuase no matter what you,panther,svv,JJ- you aren't going to change your mind, its not like you are stupid or anything you are just don't feel or want to feel integrated in the overall society... you keep digging into the past and keep making problems.
I fu*king fought in FXP with israelis for the sake of letting Rhein being president EVEN THO I know he is friends with you, and gonna keep u in government and that he is part of your party, but guess what it didn't stop me standing for him where his future as president will be determind.
But coming now back to the article about congress seeing how I'm not in panthers league or how SVV the idiot medal grabber LIES without any problem and invents details saying them how he wants, I am not quit sure why I keep bothering... probably I am too naive.
You think you were/are a gift for this country? you think you are better than anyone? that is just ain't true.. sorry to disappoint you, you don't even know shit about anyone in RL not about me not about my friend not about my capabilities not about my behavior.
And you-means all of you, not just hoss.
No, we will NOT have a new forum. We will change the administrators of the forum.
There is gonna be a totally new forum, all this article is unneeded...
Today Im already working (with Yarden and Matan) on the new forum.
lol @SVV, I don't recall anybody talking to you...
Look at your profile and notice: Country- USA, Citizenship-USA.
Therfore you cannot by any mean say "we".
Now look at me saying gtfo from our decisions, those who Joshua is part of but you are not, thank you.
Sadeh, I have to ask; when problems arise with the server, are we going to hop to yet another forum?
Apparently it is impossible for us, as a nation, to look backwards without trying to kill each other.
Lets try to do it the other way around, and face forwards.
Sadeh, could you elaborate about these new forums? What are the possibilities? Can people, like myself, who have hardly any hebrew knowledge come aboard?
Will we be able to discuss and post in english?
Could you tell us the general idea about how we should integrate?
First of all robbie and joshua, these forums are nothing like what was before, because several admins from both languages will admin it and have full power over it, plus the fact reaching me in phone is deadly easy for anyone in israel and tons of people know me and we have each other's facebook, so no issue will arise about the server probably and there is also back up option so even if we wanted to move server all content will move with it in few minutes without any problems.
Joe, It is perfectly friendly for both languages, the default option is hebrew but straight when you register to it, you can choose your own language and from that point it will be pure english forever, all the forum names and major posts about the forum itself will be both languages as well, and in order to make the community communicate better thats something the gov should promote with ministry of translation atleast for major stuff in forum.
The only thing u can ask more is full forum system in 180$ a year which I cannot offer you I'm afraid 🙁
Joshua I agree that what you pull goes against you probably and that blames are in both sides, and I try to stop seeing individuals as part of group and label them, I got it from when I started talking with Gavin after I did not treat him well, we talked with fixed things and I got to understand him better and thats he "isn't all bad" for the least.
So yeah, lets move on please.
Fair enough. I was simply curious.
@Sadeh "ol @SVV, I don't recall anybody talking to you..."
I dont recall anyone giving you permission to comment on this article... Oh wait anyone can post on this article so STFU
"you are not responsible, you are part of it and its keep going to be like it becuase no matter what you,panther,svv,JJ- you aren't going to change your mind, its not like you are stupid or anything you are just don't feel or want to feel integrated in the overall society... you keep digging into the past and keep making problems."
Hmmm so lets just accept that RL Americans are completely inferior to eIsraelis in this game... Yeah slim chance. This statement is incredibly hypocritical as well as you question our responsibility as you stole the treasury which is probably one of the most irresponsible things you can do on the game. Yesterday itself can be labeled as the past so if I do something totally catastrophic today, I can just get away with it and have everyone forget it today? As i recall one of the greatest advice ever made to me was learn from the past and its mistakes. The past holds much knowledge and experience that makes players, well better players. Thats why newbies dont come in as smart as us, its because we older players have learned from the past of this game.
I dont know what you are like in Real Life Sadeh Badeh but in game you appear to be a irresponsible person who takes advantage of situations for your own economic and political needs. Just gonna throw that out there.
You stole the treasury for your own and then you gave only a small amount back, probably because you already spent the rest on yourself so that you could be MoFA. How do we know you changed, we trusted you and then you stole from us. Once taht trust is broken it can never be fully prepared. You brought it on yourself... Your just lucky much of our past administrations were your good friends or were so desperate for your help.
@Sadeh: I was speaking in regards to Hoss's article where people thought that Hoss was suggesting a new forum.
Also, if I was a medal grabber, then I would have multied the extra 6 votes I needed to win the elections and I would have consistently tried to get medals, such as the SS medal, the RW Medal and the Congress medal.
I didn't.
panther, you understand you don't have clue what ur saying right? u are making fun of yourself...
First you say I stole from USA now you say I gave Israel back only small part, I mean... why talking so much about something you are clearly clueless about?!
I returned anything I took with another donation of 5 gold guns company and 1200 Q1 guns to the army, so please... stfu.
About me being MoFA it was only because in these days I was the best.. I had connections everywhere and specially with turks and because of that I was chosen for the job, it wasnt mistake at all to a president who is man of actions and not man of... whatever you acting like.
You wans't there, don't act like u did because really its not serious, nor productive.
and if u were there its even more scary because I don't have idea how you remember the things you remember which are far from truth.
Now please stop fighting, because for sake of peace I will just not responde.. its just making the fight even worse and more stupid.
haha its hard to remember what happened a year ago. I am sorry i must have made a typo. I simply made an error in my typing as lot was going through my head at that time.
Haha many men consider themselves men of action but I am probably one of the few who truly are. I came out and said what I felt with most of it being the truth besides of course a typo pointed out by yourself and a few opinions on my part. I could go out and play nice allowing myself to stay within repairable terms within everyone... But did I, no, I went out and said what I truly felt and the truth. I
If you are the best or not I dont care a thief should never be given back such power so easily.
I recall from many of the articles you wrote that people were not satisfied with what was returned... I believe many thought that most was not returned. I will believe all of it was returned when someone other than yourself says so as I was in the military having no matter with this.
Nice idea.
Remember that for propose something you need to have newspaper or else no one will know about your propose, what cost 20 gold.
I must get in to it.
My dear friends, I don't care about your little fights with Yarden (Sadeh), because Im going to manage this forum, not him😛
I want to ask you a sincerely request.
In this forum Im gonna start it all over again, with no hate for no one.
I ask you all to put all behind and join me in a honastly deiscussions with no spiting.
Will you join me? will you try to leave it all behind and just try to make a normal discussions?
I agree with you both, and I think EIsrael is a country that should contain "Hebrew people" and on same hand "English people".
Lets get toghether for a better future. Lets get together for a better game experience.
Lets get together for drinks at the pub. 😃
...Seriously though, we should be open for compromise.
Robbie is buying drinks? Saweet.
I paid yd like 7 or 8$ on beer, but after work I just needed it lol so it was good invested money, but hey if Robbie likes to buy us who am I to say no 😃
Sadeh Badeh, you are gay🙂
I am not involved in any of this shit yet, so I suppose I could be forum administrator along with someone else as a neutral party?
Also, I would agree to a new forum on a private server. We get far more options and control and it's easier to keep secure.
Just my 0.02.
Its a good idea.. BUT, who will be the main admin?
As i know, There is no 2 Admins witch have equal rights...
There is no such thing.. There will be at least 1 Main admin,
And who will it be? Of course, One of U!.
I dont like it.
NBAshooter... so you know it well...NOT!
Please don't say stuff you have no idea about...just not smart.
yeahhhh guys definitely no conflict going on here at all
"And who will it be? Of course, One of U!"
"I don't care about you,about hoss,about JJ, about SVV- you all assemble a lil pain in my eIsraeli ass."
Hmmm everyone, lets stop pretending like there isnt a major conflict going on and then maybe we can solve something. We want to be respected as eIsraelis as much as RL Israelis and that is all. Anyone who says there isnt a conflict is stupid. It has come to a point where other sides. We are getting to a point where we dont really converse or talk together, we are now talking against each other and breaking each other down. This is a conflict and if we dont realize this there can be no comprimise
We shall create 2 new forums, one for each side. If we can not see the other side, we can not argue. I will be admin of both.
So says CJ and so it shall be.
Thank you
Yes everyone; lets listen to Panther, who after all, is the only one here who wants the conflict to end, and I for one-
"You stole the treasury for your own and then you gave only a small amount back, probably because you already spent the rest on yourself so that you could be MoFA. How do we know you changed, we trusted you and then you stole from us."
"If you are the best or not I dont care a thief should never be given back such power so easily."
...Oh wait a second.
@Robbie
most of what I say is just for the lulz. Really I dont care what anyone thinks of me and I will pretty much speak my mind now. After looking attacks on Hoss i kind of thought to myself "wow we can be disrespectful like that in this media, wow back in any other nation id get basically pushed out of here" So whatever they've been doing the same thing to Hoss, so ill play hardball with them if it means protecting a reasonable and very intelligent man. I respect all of them but of course everyone has had their mistakes. Sadeh, Perfect Knight, myself, John Jay, nbaShooter, Joshua Hoss and everyone else who has played this game has made mistakes. eIsrael is torn right now over the silliest of things. We have to talk to figure this out and all we are doing is blabbing to each other about how much we hate each other. Let's talk.
all of us and I mean all of us are probably destroying Israel with these silly fights except for Hoss, All I have seen him do is try to reason with people and show proof and strong words to people who bring up random crap to question him. Either we bring ourselves together or we fight forever, what is it going to be. Eventually we will be left to be feasted on by Turkey and abandoned by Greece if we do not come together. Almost all nations are very tight-knit but we are the exception. I believe this is one of the most severe non-PTO conflict in a nation for a long time. Lets end this
Here's the funny thing, Panther: despite what you see here, eIsrael is still a close community. It has to work together out of necessity, and it does. You would notice that more if you paid less attention to the media in-game.
Yes obviously it has to but is eIsrael truly unified, No it isnt we have a war going on between each other underneath it all. The game mechanics basically force you to work together so thats a given, but tell me can this at all be constructive to eIsrael. Do people really want to come in here and listen to all this crap and put up with it, no. That is the points.