PEACE or EDEN? None, thanks!
Ines Schumacher
I've been away for the weekend, but thought I'd add my two cents to the debate surrounding whether eSouth Africa should join PEACE or EDEN, thereby positioning itself in the upcoming World War: Revenge Edition.
Members of both People of Earth Associated under Common Excellence (PEACE) and Erepublik Defence and Economy Network (EDEN, with emphasis on the D it seems) seem to think their alliances are the be all and end all of all eRepublik alliances. They troll our articles and make threats and promises.
So let's all agree on something for the start: EDEN is basically a re-branded ATLANTIS, especially now that it has become known as EDEN+, which includes the USA.
As far as I remember, we threw ourselves at the mercy of ATLANTIS - more or less the same allies - and lost all our regions a few months ago. Super-alliances have a nasty habit of "forgetting" their smaller allies. They use them as distractions, gambling regions in order to win bigger, more important wars (more important to them that is).
Too often was I told during my term as RW leader: "We're too busy to read your message right now. Please leave another message and we'll get back to you later." These were the same allies who told us they would protect us during the war with Indonesia, PTO threats and also made loud noises about helping us regain our regions.
Of course I'm referring mainly to ATLANTIS right now. The only experience I've had with PEACE is as passive occupiers. They have shown no direct aggression towards me personally or to eSouth Africa in the time I have been RW leader and president and also into Steven's term.
Fast-forward to the present. I have no ill feelings towards either PEACE nor EDEN, both of which have betrayed us in different ways.
But let's look at this realistically. Statistically.
EDEN+ does roughly 341 million damage. PEACE does 508 million.
EDEN+ has a collective 331 000 strength. PEACE has nearly 500 000.
EDEN+ has 800 FMs. PEACE has over 1 100.
If push came to shove, I'd rather join PEACE.
But let's look at what Exilious is proposing. He (probably as an afterthought) is not saying let's join EDEN, he's saying let EDEN liberate our regions and we can claim innocence. Oh, masterful plan Exilious. Maybe you can say that A LITTLE LOUDER SO THAT PEACE CAN HEAR YOU! Oh wait, they have. So that's a no on the plan then?
Even just USA against Indonesia in a war of liberation will have USA draw the fail card.
Everyone knows my history. I was the resistance leader during the time eSouth Africa was wiped off the map thanks to a Brazilian PTO. We got our first region back through negotiation - no help needed from any super alliance. Just good old diplomacy and personal sacrifices from our citizens.
I need to express my pride in the people of our great little nation. The recent debates around whether or not to join EDEN (or get them to liberate us) have shown that we are sticking to the path we set ourselves long ago.
We have now successfully negotiated a two region return with eIndonesia in exchange for a non-aggression pact. So even if EDEN in all its selflessness liberates the oppressed and woeful nation of South Africa, we give the regions right back.
PEACE wants you to waste your gold EDEN, so how about you get off our backs for all our sakes.
Sorry this article ended up being slightly biased. In all my dealings with the various presidents of PEACE and EDEN and other leaders within the alliance, PEACE never deceived me as much as EDEN did.
Although some people may find it a bitter pill to swallow: PEACE has more honour than EDEN could ever muster. Even if (for example) the president of Indonesia was not going to negotiate with South Africa for regions, he was always courteous, honest and straight forward. In comparision, the president of USA strung me along and was often quite rude in speaking to me. The ambassadors were cool though. 😉
Like it or not, presidents represent a country and its people so I use them as direct examples of the way I view PEACE and EDEN.
Big up to our Sol alliance. South Africa has chosen neutrality and independence. I'm sorry Australia chose the path of no return - I really hope it works out for them.
So no thanks PEACE and EDEN. Have your grudge match by all means, but not in our backyard.
Comments
Neutrality is boring!
Why no pictures?
No pictures, no vote.
Neutrality is survival 😛 PHUZA INES!
Smart 😃
Get in the game, eSA.
The best option, I agree 🙂
As a proud eSA citizen and active eSAAF member, I stand fully with our current stance. Ines, you and your crew (Steven too, recently) have done an amazing job of getting eSA back on its collective feet. Keep it up, and don't worry about EDEN or PEACE - methinks they will still be arguing with each other many moons from now. At least eSA won't be a bargaining chip.
Join Argentina in our plan to make latin america a new empire(?)
vote!
LAMAX !
South Africa, it's a sad day when our supposed resistance leader decides to align herself with our oppressors. PEACE annihilated our nation and it's time they reaped the whirlwind for their actions, its time for revenge. I say, side with EDEN+.
From what I've seen in the eUS, there has been nothing but nice things said about eSA. But I'd suspect that'll change if you write articles like this allienating them. PEACE may be stronger if you took them all on at once, but they are much less likely to come help out their smaller members (see Japan).
We eAmericans spent yesterday fighting in Slovonia, to support an ally. Just saying.
thats your way 🙂
You can allways have friend in eBIH
EDEN!!
Neither is a good choice.
next time put some nude pics... 😛
no vote!
Eden!!
EDEN GO GO GO !!!
To be fair, though, you should also examine the fact that despite Eden being far lower in strength level and damage output, they've managed to pull of some impressive victories.
That and some embarrassing losses, but...yeah.
Anybody ask U something?You must choose..you cannot be neutral..USA a strong country choose to be neutral too...and you know what it happend.🙂
How very swiss, i wonder how long your vaunted neutrality will last when someone invades you
KriegKorp: ah, you exhibit an utter loyalist syndrome. It's called selective reading. Remedy: read the article again once you take off your EDEN+ tinted glasses. I didn't side with PEACE. Statistically speaking, yes. Politeness wise, also yes. Morally? No.
Jfbranson: wait till USA is under attack again. You'll be saying Slovenia who?
ViVa PEACE!
I guess,some ppl that chose *liberty* instead of *slavery* were to dump to just think of survival.Genious...go beg peace now for your regions,oh sorry i mean use diplomacy
rant off
EDEN!!!!!! FREEDOM!!!
is EDEN occupin eSA? I dont think so...
peace!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Voted 🙂
Voted 🙂
Attack neutrals XD
best solution make peace between PEACE and EDEN and attack neutrals 😉
Neutrality is boring. Ever wonder why the lame/weak/small countries are all neutral? It is pretty obvious.
PEACE propaganda...
@jfbranson
yeah you spent yesterday in slovenia because serbia was fighting with them...and you cant afford serbia to progress because it is one of the biggest forces in all of erepublic like RUSSIA!!🙂!!!i just want to say africa be neutral that way you don't have to explain fools like jfbranson that they are WRONG!!!!
Also LOL. Ines seems to want to join alliances based on who is stronger. You realize how pathetic that is, right lady? Okay, unsubscribed/not voted
Yay! Another neutral nation!
We are just a small country please keep our high resource territories and give us back the ones you do not want. Thank you we will make sure if anyone tries to help us we give them back right away because we do what we are told and do not want to make you angry. Does that sum up our agreement with them?
EDEN would not occupy. EDEN would not keep our lands. They would agree to sign an MPP in order to help us. I doubt they would build fortresses in order to keep certain areas forever.
I agree with my friend Jasezovemcar from PEACEland, lets just divide up the neutrals between us. There would be a lot less complaining and headaches 😛
Don't judge PEACE/EDEN by where they are: Judge them by where they're going and how they are acting.
EDEN is moving up, helping countries fight resource extortion, and getting stronger every day (the eUS has incredible potential for adding daily strength).
So eSA, stay unaligned if you like. Certainly the eUSA is happy to be on good terms with you in any case. But don't be surprised if you become a target of diamond-loving resource pirates (iniitals are eIndonesia and eRussia).
I would have to side with Peace... they just seem better to me
Joining PEACE: the same occupied regions, no equaliy
Joining EDEN: regions back, you will be treated as friends, and not like some inferrior people
Voted, I think you don't have to join these fancy alliances, think about what happens if or when PEACE of EDEN wins. They'll be hundreds if not thousands of eUKers or eUSAers not finding a place to go, there would be mass liberations and it would all crumble down with society.
So I think you should just sit it out, rebuild you're forces and train heavily in the mean time, so if you are somehow envolved you are ready, rather than going in right away unprepared with not an ready force. (Sorry, not trying to say you're not ready, just need an example).
However, as an loyal eUKer I am involved with this, for PEACE, but I'm fighting for pride not for the war, I fighting because I both want to and have to, but its my job and thats what I signed up for, wouldn't have it any other way...
Anyway great stuff and good luck eSouth Africans...
>From what I've seen in the eUS, there has been nothing but nice things said about eSA
Yeah, back when Portugal was negotiating with USA a peace treaty ( before the operation PigMac(TM) ) wonders were said about our country. "Omg they're cool, they're nice n stuff". The next day guess what, an attack on Azores and their president going all "The Portuguese president Arthk is ok with it" without even consulting me. Just a hint, tho.
>they are much less likely to come help out their smaller members (see Japan).
What about japan? The one that you can argue the most about that is Italy, and that's like ancient history.
About the article, neutrality is a great choice indeed, miss Schums
PEACE is a great choose so you can take back your region peacefully 😉 and also take more region 😉
I am sorry to hear this ( about the bad diplomacy skills in the EDEN backyard ) 🙁 . Things look a lot different from within of course..
It would be hypocritical to claim one alliance is 'good' and the other one is 'bad'. Of course, from an EDEN player ( that I am ), I can only think about a lot of bad stuff coming from PEACE.
I agree pure neutrality is a good thing for eSA at the moment. I am outraged hearing that your calls to the officials were ignored during the wipe-out.I can assure you there was quite a lot of sympathy from the common EDEN citizens, if I remember well.
Also, eSA shouldn't be bugged with 'advices' about joining one side or the other by strangers. The choice must be entirely yours.
Other than that.. I know I wouldn't ever,ever choose enemies and allies based on some statistics. And I would fight.. hell there is not much to lose in a virtual environment anyway.
I say let the people of eSA do what they want. They don't have to join EDEN or PEACE if they don't want to.
constantin +1
also veni +1
🙂
Hail Eden!
No pictures, no vote.
whogivesacrapaboutsouthafricamaxxx
also if you can chose either A or B and you decide to choose C theres a chance A,B, or both will come over and punch your face in.
PEACE!!!🙂