On Mr Conway. A repudiation on a myth.
Death and Taxes
That's right people. Teamwork. The thing that makes countries and MU's succeed in this appalling game. I will actually write a useful article over the weekend that's quite relevant to the future in terms of our little nation and its role in eRepublik, but in the meantime I need to address a truth or should I say an untruth in relation to a rather famous episode in the not so distant past.
Namely, we are going to talk about the theft of 1m IEP from the Irish State by a group of people nominally associated with 'The Kunts' Specifically we are going to talk about one individual: MrConway.
In principle the issue is quite simple. An allegation was made at the time of the robbery that Conway benefited to the tune of 200,000 IEP from the scam. This allegation was made by Dan Breen AKA Big Sexy Black Man. However, Dan was a well known scammer, troll and Photoshop expert par excellence, and so it is very difficult to take anything he says as being gospel.
You will recall that the MoF at the time, Nogin the Nog wrote an article about it here: http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/ministry-of-finance-update-on-theft-2142204/1/20. In this article Nogin explains the background of the case and this led to a flame war between the government at the time - including me - with the select group of individuals allegedly involved.
This was one of the reasons why I left the country. Pretty much every week there was a rather nasty dialogue between Nogin, Moo, myself on one side and Marcus, OJ and IRR on the other. Seeing as Marcus in particular just hung around as if nothing had happened I found it kind of hard to be in the same kuntry as a bunch of traitorous thieves.
Here's an article from Marcus pleading outrage and innocence: http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/robbery-2142811/1/20
One from IRR as it's funny but I reckon he used funds to pay for the votes, so maybe not so funny. http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/the-history-of-e-ireland--2141534/1/20
Here's one from OJ: http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/-proof-whs-and-nogin-are-cheaters--2150061/1/20 I only found this now and find it particularly hilarious as anyone who knows me (Malbekh) knows that I never shorten words. SRSLY.
So what's the story with Conway? Well, Kurgan makes a central plank in his theory that Conway got 200k and there is no proof that he gave any money back. Conway says that he only got 100k that was given to a multi and that he gave all of this back.
The known knowns we have is that ~ 1m IEP was stolen and that 120k was given back. How can I be so sure? Well, if you looked at the articles written by the MoF at the time (after DE had resigned) you'd find this:
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/mof-update-last-7-days-expenditure-2144017/1/20
To save your time, here is the pertinent part:
Here is the MoF of the time giving an official article on the state of the finances of the country. Information available for the next MoF to view and subject to investigation. It's as close to the truth as you will ever find in eRepublik.
Larry Murphy was Conway's multi. He used it exclusively in the markets and it was through this multi that Conway received his share of the loot. Where is Larry Murphy now?
Dead as a Dodo. Now I can't prove that Larry was Conway's multi, but it ties in with Dan Breen's claim that the money was spread around various individuals - backed up by FRITZHILL returning 20k IEP.
So all that's left is the issue between the claim from Dan Breen that Conway got 200k and the clear fact that Conway gave back 100k. For this I side with Conway. Why? Because the first thing I would do with cash is to convert it back to gold (over time) and upgrade my training centres.
Here's Conway:
And here's Marcus Suridius:
What we noted with Marcus was that his strength training increased enormously about 20-30 days after the robbery. As you all know, there are restrictions on how much IEP you can covert to gold per day. So do the maths good people.
Let me be clear about this. There are citizens of this country that can be trusted to look after its interests. They do this because they are either in a position of power like Sweet who left 3m IEP in the Irish orgs because he was the best MoF ever seen in eRepublik. Or because they bleed green for Ireland (beloved Eire!) like Bhane does on the battlefield.
There are servants to this country like Anthony Colby, James Keiller and John Gormley who do everything and ask for nothing.
Then there are slightly dodgy characters like me that you need on your side because the art of gaming and sleight of hand comes natural to us.
And then you have completely useless and downright RL dangerous individuals like Kurgan who contribute nothing of value other than wall of text on every article to promote their teenage fantasies.
Someone once said that Kurgan was a whistle-blower against corruption. Well, you can only be a whistle-blower when you are on the inside of an organisation. Kurgan has, in my lifetime in eRepublik, never had a role in any government other than a ministry of keeping his gob shut.
Trust me. Kurgan is a clueless buffoon. But to prove this, I want to give him this last opportunity to run for CP - with my support, after all I created a party for him - so we can see how good a job he can do based on his 24/7 criticism of previous administrations.
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Are we going to crucify him now?
we could Keel Haul him 😃
send him down to the depths below, make the b*stard walk the plank with a bottle of rum and a yo-ho-ho!
you can only be a watch dog of the country if people trust you to tell you information. Who trust Krugam?
The 20K for Fritz was from the robbary before that one, lol.
Hi moo. From sawc? Why only give it up after the Marcus robbery? God knows there was a ton of grief and angst after that one and FRITZ would have been aware of it. Maybe because Nogin was on the warpath?
"In principle the issue is quite simple. An allegation was made at the time of the robbery that Conway benefited to the tune of 200,000 IEP from the scam. This allegation was made by Dan Breen AKA Big Sexy Black Man. However, Dan was a well known scammer, troll and Photoshop expert par excellence, and so it is very difficult to take anything he says as being gospel." "So what's the story with Conway? Well, Kurgan makes a central plank in his theory that Conway got 200k and there is no proof that he gave any money back. Conway says that he only got 100k that was given to a multi and that he gave all of this back."
So far we have only words as proof.
Stolen Cash.
Since the last article about the theft, we have had some cash returned to us:
100,000.00 IEP was returned by
LarryMurphy
http://www.erepublik.com/en/citizen/profile/6599996
"Larry Murphy was Conway's multi. He used it exclusively in the markets and it was through this multi that Conway received his share of the loot. Where is Larry Murphy now?" Here you seem to be 100% sure it was Conway's multi!
"So all that's left is the issue between the claim from Dan Breen that Conway got 200k and the clear fact that Conway gave back 100k" This is not the only issue (according to me).
The most important part -"Now I can't prove that Larry was Conway's multi, but it ties in with Dan Breen's claim that the money was spread around various individuals - backed up by FRITZHILL returning 20k IEP." Now you are not so sure he was his multi?
So to get things straight, regardless of what Dan Breen said or the "fight between Kurgan and Conway about the money, Conway, while having a part in the goverment if i understood correctly, was supposed to have this multi in which he received some goverment money and then returned them. Even if that's true, Conway should have been punished for having a multi. And he shouldn't get involved with Irish goverment again in any way.
Conway was not in government at that time. In fact, I don't think Conway has ever real played a part in government of any significance and there is no chance of that happening now, and based on his activity I doubt if he wants to.
I have never defended Conway. I will never defend Conway. I've given the facts backed up with all the hard evidence that can be garnered in this game.
People can make their own decision.
In the meantime, nearly 200 days after the event - and please remember this was the smaller of the two robberies - people are still anal gazing about this and other irrelevant but similar issues.
We have very big threats at the moment to this country. Can we start to concentrate on these rather than the past? Such an Irish thing to do.
No..malbekh you show no evidences....
You just try direct human attention from my hard core evidences of conway's treason.
And even worst.....to make people forget about hoe government helped Conway to scam irish citizens by asking their donations based on that liquid story.
that is malbekh....that is your entire job...little monkey...
To be straight, i never said you are defending him or trying to defend him, i just put my thoughts according to your article. Conway received a certain ammount of Irish money cause he helped with this robbery. Now, how can anyone help a robbery without being a goverment member? Only way i can think of is by supplying the thieves with multi accounts to spread the money (as stated in the article). So, first he helps the theft and then he returns the money? Is there any sense in that?
I agree there are issues Irish citizens should concetrate for the time being, but that does not mean we should forget what happened in the past. And as long as Irish goverment (including congress) welcomes back and gives CS to people who actually harmed the country, this issue will never be left in the past (or forgotten).
You just arrived in the country. While Conway was a UK citizen i don't remember Irish community talking about him or his actions the same way we do now. This all started cause we let him get back and some players welcomed him in Ireland's official MU. So until he leaves again for UK or another country (or in case he drops this account) this issue/discuassions will simple go on and on.
AD - none of the people involved in the robbery were in the government at the time.
dan breen aka big sexy black man repeatedly stated that he will give the money to his friends and they even backed him up in this. thereafter there was several times stated that all was a joke. as far as i remember kurgan was then the minister of silence. i also think your leaving a lot of what nogin said out. also you were in marcus throat for several months when you also had an opportunity to have stolen the money. you claim to have left because you couldnt take the ppl here. the same ppl is still here why your return and now attack on kurgan and not them? lso we the true irish ppl that doesnt leave because of a little bad blood will judge the value of our players. not wannabes that left for a year and got bored and now want to make him in some kind of god. fook off because the kinda torture we have planned up for you will make you leave the game. wannabe poofter.
Malbekh you said Conway returned the money can be easily proved....this is your proof?
And anyone from that time remembers conway actualy admitted he took 200 000 in his deleted article....
Even you malbekh while defending that thief were saying about returning a half of cash then.
Nogin was talking about 200 000....
And then Conway erase his article start talking about 100 000 ieps and you start talking about 100 000 ieps.
Confused much?
Conway not using his training is irrelevant considering he is proven as multi player by YOU.
For what we know this might not be he main account...
You proved nothing malbekh.....cash unlike gold can be donated without daliy limits.
Conway could simply donate all...even from that multi....
And if we add conway's recent treasons and scamm attempt....no malbekh.....we would like some more evidences..real one...like i provide
OK - show proof where Conway said he received 200k. Bye.
Unfortunately in his deleted article and nogin confirmed me then on PM it was about 200 000.
Fact he deleted that article speaks he is guilty.
But 200 000 or 100 000 he returned nothing since your "easily proven fact" are just the words of someone saying he returned the money.
Again...cash don't have a daily limit...he could return a million ieps with one click...let alone 100 000.
Can you enlighten me why you said he returned through monetary market? Why complicating? I mean everybody knew by that time he has the money...no reason for secret transactions...
And remind me malbekh after how many days Conway "returned" that money?
If if someone dump you a suspicius cash into your lap and you hear a robbery just happened wouldn'y you notify public straight away and return the money in same second.......AND NOT WAITING FOR DAYS
Answer
Answer this few silly questions or say bye bye you little monkey
So no proof then Kurgan. Just hearsay. Goodbye.
Just answer malbekh...or maybe its your guts that are missing?
You made the accusation Kurgan. You prove it? Can't prove it? Withdraw the accusation.
Conway addmited to stole the money...
what more proof you need?
And lets belive you two it was only 100 000.....no proof he returned..
simple as that...
Malbekh....i am just irrelevant little troll.....no one cares what i am saying...
Isn't that what you and your kunts friends keep telling people?
So why so frustrated with Kurgy then? Truth hurts?
Because every time people want to govern the country, make the country a better place, release an interesting article, or just have a bit of fun, we have your monotonous wall of text cluttering the message.
Enough of this nonsense, move on.
Nearly everyone else has.
Run for CP. Get a ministry that counts. Release a constructive article along with your (genuinely) occasionally funny ones. Be creative, we know you are. Be constructively intelligent, we know you are capable of it. Help the country.
Actually read bellow....i demand to be deputy MoF with full access to every government org and also a full report from appleman of detailed finance work for the last 3 month so i learn faster.
You want me to be a great CP?
then i must learn how to do MoF job.....Hell month demands that
Actually...malbekh helped me realising one thing....As CP...some day when ireland prve me it has balls...i will start a hell week...
Actually i will take a month off coz this will take most of every day to accomplish it and coordinate it.
To be succesfull i will need a full control over every government iep.
In my past incarnation i was never involved closely in MoF department as CP coz i had a perfect team.
So i am quite a noob in finance department so i volunteer to be deputy MoF.
Since it's kunts and their monkey who wants me to go for a CP and they claim they support me in that....surely they find me a deputy MoF as a great start.
So i expect a full access to every single gorevnment orgs, waults and $ht....
And to learn faster a full report of government finance for the last 3 months...
Surely Malbekh will agree with this.....surely Malbekh want me to be the best CP possible...
this seems a good plan vk but prepare now for the slime to slither back in its hole now that you have accepted his challenge partly.
deputyMoF's have access to one org at most. Granting multiple accesses to the entire bank network is exactly how the country got robbed the first time. Kurgy is making a demand he knows only an insane man would accept, so he can proceed to use it as 'evidence' in later trolls.
obvious ploy is obvious
While i indeed am insane my demands are reasonalbe.
Coz i volunteer for full MoF position aftier appleman teach me all the tricks..and i am suire you Sweet will show me yours.
You want me to run an entire country but without access to gov funds?
As CP there will be no MoF or MoD coz i will be fullblooded warlord.
Direct control of army and funds so no scum get between me and my hell month
i dont know why malbekh has grown this obsession with kurgan. I remember his obsession with poor marcus Suridius which went on months and months. Perhaps we should inform the authorities before this sicko act out his sick perversions.
This shouldn't come as a surprise as his name literally mean in my language crazy mouth. Perhaps we shoudl agree with all he is saying just to soothe his troubled crazy mind.
there there crazy mouth[pats malbeck on head while feeding him a cookie..there there all the baddies is gone you were right little one pat pat
malbekh:uncle krakken
rtk:yes malbekh
malbekh: make the baddies go away and kurgan stop
rtk:what if i make him minister of silence in my cabinet
malbekh:yes yes that will work uncle krakken [sobs]
shut up Kurga....krakken!
I want him be obsessed with Krakk...Kurgan...damm it!
Malbekh is my new monkey toy!
It's mine!
viktor krakken stop it. i found a growth on his back he is that obsessed? it was a little horn
As I stated in my survey, I think Conway is innocent.
Nice article, I look forward to the one on Ian E Coleman and his ban for multis
"Now I can't prove that Larry was Conway's multi"
In fact, I can confirm for certain that LarryMurphy ISN'T Conway's multi.
Hi Brian. Well then, who's multi is it?
Another kunt. I'm not at liberty to say which, as I genuinely don't remember. It's one of two anyway.
You do realise that this asks more questions than gives answers. But I couldn't be arsed asking them at this stage
In fairness, there are only two multi-ers in the kunts and they're well known.
Though if you're asking how I know about it, it's mainly because I knew about them when they were created. They were originally for an op targeted at the Brits.
Then you'd also be aware that multis can be used by a group or faction young master Boru.
When do I get a piece?
Your multi DerBrad got it. Tell him I said hello.
Yeah. Keep it in the family.
Will be meeting my multi at a family gathering in a couple of weeks. Any convincing arguments to make him resurrect himself?
I would be the wrong one to ask James. I'm of the mind that we all should join him. Not at the family event, though I'm sure that would be a good time, but in quitting.