On Austria And EDEN
Rangeley
With Austria on the verge of losing it's last region, there are some things that I feel need to be said.
It has been argued that it is justified to do the things that have been done to Austria - to invade it, to take it over, to destroy our only hospital, to steal our treasury - if, in the end, it can lead to the liberation of the Heilongjiang region of China. But there is something inherently flawed with this concept; that one nation deserves to be free, while another does not. That one nation can determine the uses of its own regions, while another cannot. And that to achieve an "ends," it is justified to destroy and occupy as the "means." This last concept should look familiar. After all, this is the justification that Hungary uses to remain in Heilongjiang.
In neither case - Austria or China - is the occupation itself truly the end goal. Rather, the occupation is done for the strategic benefit - the things that possession of the regions can bring them, such as a stronger position in the geopolitics of this game. While we have been told by Croatia that this invasion of us is different, ultimately, it's the same concept. A large, powerful nation, telling a smaller unaligned nation that it is going to take their regions for a time that they - the larger nation - determines, for their own strategic benefit.
Just as with Hungary and China, Croatia did not receive our consent, but went forward with their invasion regardless. They didn't just seek the quickest route through - they purposely targeted our capital, and hospital region, as a message to us that our decision would cost us. We were threatened that we would have to pay 300 gold per region, to return on the map, if we did not change our mind. And when we didn't, and their invasion became bogged down, they threatened to stay in Austria and never surrender their holdings, "eternally," as a lesson against us for not simply conceding our regions to them as they wanted.
And after they finally lost this region to a successful counterattack, some weeks later, Austria was the target of a PTO with the election of a President who stole the treasury, and retreated half the nation to Poland - again, unnecessarily destroying our hospital which we had just purchased to replace the previous. And now, the invasion of a battered Austria nears it's completion with the fall of Vorarlberg imminent. The ends - a planned Chinese liberation - has come with a virtual decimation of Austria as the means.
If you wish to take the point of view that wrongs will always be committed, and that there is no reason to not also participate in these wrongs, then I suppose this is something you can do. You can concede that both superalliances are, in the end, pretty much the same except for the nations in them. That one is ultimately no more justified than the other. That the talk of liberation, defense, and moral superiority is all just talk. That you're fine with it, and that it's good enough for you.
But it doesn't have to be. And frankly, I don't think it should be.
Comments
peace auf der erde und peace in eden... 🙂
With the German MPPs opened against Croatia, hopefully we can push them out of Austria!
Don't believe Croats no matter which alliance they are part of 😛
Great article btw, vote!
same stuff in czech republic
spanish president keeps northern bohemia .. because he "does not trust me" ..
Yea! Belive Srbs 😉
We love U, now you have sea 4 free 😉
Great article!
To bad you agreed to let us through and "changed" your mind after. Then blocked us any chance you had, actively assisting PHX. You also retreated regions to PHX for them to get tactical advantage.
You blindly trusted Hungary that they would protect you - well they left you to be destroyed.
I will argue that in this particular game, when neutral country holds tactical position that both PHX and EDEN need, neutrality is pretty much dead to start with. Kind of being between rock and the hard place.
To bad you only realize that now...
hmm
big fish eat small fish ...
always been and always will be ...
great article btw
Heh, Croatia kicks ass.
@Mossad
pTOing Czech Republic together with your Serbian buddies is really something to be proud of. Nobody trusts you there...
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Great article 🙂
romper ...kick ass!
Sorry guys, it would be a lot easier and less painful to all of us if you just retreated in the first place. But ok... you have your principles, respect for that. vote
There is a lesson in that!
Never trust a Croat!!!
Fine article
Very nice said. Especially if you have in mind that is coming from the country that in RL not so far away in history was holding its hand on most of the surounding nations. I think I will start to cry for the unjust doing being done to poor Austrians.
You were not defending your independence when eHungary was crossing your country. You took one side and this is it. This is imperialistic game. And I think Austrians know very well what Imperialism is about. So please, stop crying!!!
G.
>>You were not defending your independence when eHungary was crossing your country
Just days before Croatia approached us asking to pass through, we rejected a Hungarian offer for the same. The only time Hungary was "passing through" was after the Polish TO took place. This TO president ran off with the treasury and left us with no hospital and no MPP's to prevent anyone from passing through.
@Vucko74
Watch you dirty mouth!!!
I understand you're position man 😉
We have the similar scenario in France (rob of tresury, wipped from the map etc...)
But you must never stop to fight. One day austria will be free again, like France or germany. We must fight together in order to send back Eden in their original land!
Hail Austria!!!
definetly support the austrians (especially) against kroats
i agree
Great article.
Croatians are pretty much desperate. They are too scared to attack Serbia or Hungary, becouse they know it would be the end of Croatia, so they hit Slovenia and Austria. They had no reason to whip Austria out, they had no reason to go to this third trip to nort at all. It was the act of a bully. But they forgot that there are some bigger bullies in the neighbourhood,
Hail Austria.
The truth is that Croatia was just trying to export failure to Austria.
Again.
Although as a Slovene I am a small piece of 1 of the 2 hammers that beat on Austria, you have my sympathies. Lack of the loss of lives of attacking soldiers in eRep for example, even further deprives you of any real chance to be more than just a temporary nuisance in the big game between EDEN & Phoenix.
Kozmeus
36 minutes ago
romper ...kick ass!
And you kiss ass...
ITT: Phoenix and EDEN propagandists
i will always miss you Austria, i really missed living their back in the summer at the Height of WW3
Just NEVER believe Croatia.
Austrians fight for phoenix and you land will be soon free!
Don't believe Croats no matter which alliance they are part of x1290882 😛
Oh dear,
eCroats are searching all kind of excuses for their actions. How pathetic. At least acknowledge your own purpose and means of action, and do not act like as an innocent nation who had not any other chioce.
Too old, and too EDEN propaganda, nobody trust it.....
@Romper
"To bad you agreed to let us through and "changed" your mind after."
Um, we didn't agree. It was a PTO that agreed -.-;
Ha, Phoenix propaganda and EDEN propaganda make me laugh.
propaganda, look at the RW and who started them
where are serbia and hung when you ned them????
do not trust anyone... if you need someone who you can trust then take it a bit more like i dont trust you ill make you suffer if you betray me and thats done deal...
Im sorry to hear about your troubles Austria.
:'(
>propaganda, look at the RW and who started them
this whole game is about propaganda dumbass, you don't need to point that out >.<
Very realistic article
It's stupid to moralize and try to make other side look like the bad guys because ultimately, we both do same things, as you said. It's a game, after all, and we both want to win
However, you have to admit we did try to treat you as fair as possible, offering to cover all costs and give you a hospital. I understand why you refused our offer and cooperated with Phoenix, any nation with a pair would've done the same to protect their integrity and for that you have my respect.
Do not believe the Croats, but these same Croats returning just now won the Austrian territory. We just want to pass and nothing more. To do this, we were willing to pay a new hospital and pay for the liberation wars. No Austrians have refused and fled to the wings of Hungarians. Now you cray. For our passage through your territory, we want fair pay, a classic trade. Who is to blame if you do not know or do not want to trade.
I'm afraid that's not going to happen. Virtually, there was a 1938 situation. We can easily see some WW2 motives. This time, we see USA along with Poland, China and Russia.
Isegien, take a look on the map. Germany is 1/2 occupied by Poland.
@ Phoenix trolls: you used them and let them get conquered when you didn't need them anymore, don't moralize here cause you have no ground to stand on
Re: insightz,
A lot of what has happened was above and beyond what was necessary to achieve the end goal - such as threatening to occupy regions forever, stealing the treasury (and state companies.) I don't view invading over the wishes of a nation as honorable to begin with, but these things go above and beyond that into the realm of being petty and revenge-driven.
listen dude, austria will be free from croatia in a matter of days... we don't want your coutnry, but we sure as hell will not give up on our plans, because austria is so mush weaker then we are - absolute nonsense... maybe you should complain to the admins for not making the game more peace oriented...
and finally, you acted against croatia on several occasions, including our previous campaign when you attacked us to help PHX - so suck it up now players!!! and once again - we don't need your regions, they're quite useless... and check the current austrian RWs statistics when they get published on eRep - you're in for quite a surprise...
and the serbs are saying that no one should trust us ???
maybe you should ask our allies how trustworthy we are...
Soon, they will not.
There are 2 motives to conquer a country : either, you are very strong, either you expect to ... loose ground in the near future.
BeDva, you are returning those regions 'cause you didn't want to get blocked on your journey by neighboring hostile countries. That's what your President said in his newspapers, and that's what everybody can figure out for themselves if they simply look at the map. You don't care about Austria in the slightest.
"😉on't believe Croats no matter which alliance they are part of" x4
We will fee Austria
freeman76 said "We will fee Austria"
I guess you mean "We will flee, Austria". Yes, that would be quite a serbish. 🙂