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I really think this is funny. are u really comparing the simply -never existed- relationship between italy and slovak with the -2 year lasting- relationship that there was between Italy and France.

We asked RA after have fought fpr years for France, after having freed it twice.

What Slovak has ever done for Italy?
With which title you are entitled to ask us something?
Which credits have Slovak ever gained with Italy?

Since when agreement taken privately between Slovak and Poland months ago should affect Italy now?
Is Slovak Government trying to force our Government? Is there something written? Our position was always clear. If there was, sometime, a "not now" answer, it was meant as a "let's speak again in some months".

finally: we never requested your help in bavaria. Just to be crystal clear.

wow, minaccine :as😛

spe' che leggo :awesome:

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However within some minutes your president declared this is only his own approval and he needs to ask italian ministers, because "he's not a dictator". After few hours Slovakia get another answer. Simply: NO.
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I dont know if really went in this way, but I can tell you that one of the NO was mine.
For the reasons bisiacco gave to you.
Were we never friends like we and french? NO
Are we in the same Alliance? NO
Why we should then give a region that WE conquered (before our entrance in EDEN, btw) to a country with which we never had relationships and that is not in the same our alliance?
So, now, you can do:
1. Stay at your place and dont play with these silly threatens
2. RW lower Austria and attack yourself the region
3. Declare war to Italy
4. Ask your polish friends to have one of their grain regions

in poche parole, per chi non capisse l'inglese, ma chi ve sape?

First of all Bisiacco's right to say that we had no agreement before our conquer: you should have talked to us before, but maybe you understimated our strength and thought it wasn't necessary. Bad choice :rulez:. I also want to remember that our invasion of Austria started to protect Eden's territories, so if you are saying that we don't make "team's game" think about "why" we are in Austria. If we'll leave LA for you, we are making a gift, we aren't fullfilling a contract. You also talked about the still aching wound of Rhone Alps. In that case we didn't ask to RENT the region, but we communicated that we were ready to FREE it, because it was Spanish, but we needed to keep it for a while, at least to cover the expenses of taking it. Is it anyway similar? Simpatrick has been loyal saying to you that they have to discuss this agreement: why do you complain? That's why the way you're asking these things isn't proper.

I would also like to ask you please to talk about these things in the right places, which is in chat with our leaders. :caffe: Our public opinion isn't so naive to take the bait.

va bene il latino ma l'inglese.... :awesome:

Non ti preoccupare, Jhon, non ti stai perdendo nulla... :as😛

- Il mio commento è scomparso O.O - Giulia

lol slovacchia

a me sembra strano che sia stato chiesto l'aiuto della slovacchia in baviera (quanti danni vuoi che faccia?...) per una regione 😐

e magari era kilometrico, vero giulia? 😨

Okay, so try to think of that from a different angle: wouldn't it be just nice to give this region to them?
Slovakia is the precious ally of two of your allies: Poland and USA. They proved many times that they are of much help for the entire EDEN, the alliance you're part of now, allowing us to swap and fighting arm by arm with us.
Ultimately, you have already three high grains while they have none.
It's always better to have dedicated friends and good relationships. They will help you in the darkest hour, what some countries have already experienced.
Come on, you're Italians, we all know that you're not mean and small-minded!

My unofficial statement: eItaly isn't a non profit organization who helps poor countries, go ask someone else :facepalm:

(by the way we haven't 3 high grain regions, we have 4 high grain regions)

Zafikel, how much is 5 gold every day for a country like Poland that gain, from taxes, hundreds of gold every single day?

Do you know how many gold enter in our treasure every day?

You have idea of how precious are also 5 gold every day for our budget?

I respect Slovak as a country, but I also think that in this issue, Slovak should send its petition to bigger countries that can afford a small renounce, not to the one that has to take care of any single gold it spend.


And this is without considering the reasons I have explained before. It is not clear why Italy should pay the agreements done between Poland and Slovak without even consulting us 🙂

@bisiacco: We have had LA for some time. 5 Gold is a humbug. Anyway - these profits are generated in huge part by our companies. So you are using taxes paid by our companies.

"help us in Bavaria, then We'll free region for you"

Are you kidding us?
Nobody asked for your help! And nobody promised you anything.
I'm not going to waste other words., Bisiacco told everything you need to know.

....ed infine aggiungerei


puppa

"(by the way we haven't 3 high grain regions, we have 4 high grain regions)"
In sostanza era questo.. solo che lo avevo scritto in inglese io 🙁 - Giulia

well, i think this situation in quite easy to understand and then solve.
italy has nothing to do with slivak-polish agreement about LA, so forget it even existed. so, what remains? "help us in Bavaria, then We'll free region for you" never happened, so actually your relationship with italy went from 0 to -10 for spreading bulls**t.
that said, given you are not a big friend of italy, your best option is to propose a deal involving some gold. and this is not only your best option, it's your only.

@bisiacco: We have had LA for some time. 5 Gold is a humbug. Anyway - these profits are generated in huge part by our companies. So you are using taxes paid by our companies.
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I have companies in Central Greece, NEoB, Podolia and Aquitaine.
I should demand these regions then, Italy deserves them!

rotfl at these people.

I can't understand motivations for this article,we can talk,find an economical agreement,why do we have to get angry?

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Slovakia is an EDEN member?

Scoundrel ask your president for "motivations for this article".

:rotfl:

alla slovacchia scoreggia il cervello.
the brain of slovakia is farting


we need a diplomat table

Smrtan,I'm really sorry for these problems,so,let's organize a meeting!

Raga, non infamiamoli: per quanto piccoli sono abbastanza filoEden. Hanno fatto male a fare un articolo di protesta visto che ci siamo comportati bene, ma infamarli non serve a nessuno.
Gliela si dà, non gliela si dà lo deciderà chi deve, ma non complichiamo le cose.

Bah, non ho letto tutto per pigrizia ma se volete occupare la Slovacchia io ci sono!

Anzi ho un conto in sospeso da due anni con la Slovacchia, Akira ricorderà sicuramente di cosa parlo 😃

ma infatti Fanaxidiel,non sono assolutamente d'accordo ad inimicarceli,anzi,io stesso ho più volte parlato con Smrtan

scoundrel, ma anche no.
L'hq é e continuerá ad essere contrario. Come ha detto megalomaniac, non siamo i fatebenefratelli.
Simpatrick é contrario, non capisco su che basi tu, da solo, decida di intavolare una discussione. Non c'é nulla da trattare. Fine del discorso.

vabbè,non facciamolo allora,anche se questo mi sembra un atteggiamento troppo aggressivo nei confronti di uno stato che non è nemico.
Se l'offerta che fanno non è buona,si dice no,basta

a quanto mi risulta, l'offerta è più o meno "paghiamo la rw e poi ce la prendiamo". a me non sembra buona.

beh, scoundrel, l'offerta ci e' stata fatta, noi gentilmente abbiamo detto no.
Ora arrivano con sto articolo, a dir poco non amichevole, e con minaccine velate.

sinceramente quelli che stanno rovinando i rapporti (quali poi?) sono loro.

Per me se la vogliono ci devono dare un affitto in GOLD pagato in anticipo, come fa la polonia con gli USA; la Bulgaria con l'Iran.

considerando la loro scarna offerta e il fatto che insistono sul fatto che noi ne abbiamo altre di regioni high grain, direi che la loro offerta non cambierà molto...

che poi... cos'è che offrono di precisono? a me sembra soltanto che sti qua vogliono...

Colinar.... ciao.

My unofficial statement: eItaly isn't a non profit organization who helps poor countries, go ask someone else x2
A me sa tanto di sceneggiata per tirare sù qualche conflitto.
Ben venga, c'ho il tank in garage che mi aspetta :awesome:

La vedo un po' più come Scoundrel. Ragioniamoci: non è detto che non si possa trovare un'ottimo compromesso. In Erep contano di più i Gold o la cartina? Io gli proporrei
1) Un affitto regolare, pari all'attuale rendita. In mano loro renderà senz'altro di più che in mano nostra. Se io devo fare una grain la faccio in Lazio, non in una regione di confine, ma se loro vogliono fare una grain la fanno lì che è high e ci guadagnano pure. Se accettano di pagarci l'affitto almeno per un anno ANCHE se perdono la regione, ci starei.
2) In alternativa, a loro spese, un'alleanza con noi o un embargo con un paio di grossi paesi Phoenix. In fondo vorrei ricordare a tutti che se noi siamo in Eden è perchè la Spagna, inizialmente, ci ha fatto una proposta conveniente per noi senza ottenerne in cambio il mondo..

hem... la spagna ha ottenuto di non sganciare i gold per una DoW contro il messico, che non erano proprio due spiccioli eh...

la numero 1 e' stata proposta, l'attuale rendita di LA e' di circa 100-120 gold al mese.

Non hanno accettato, la vogliono gratis o pagando 50 gold una volta e nulla piu'.

Riguardo al punto 2, e' assolutamente inutile per noi e quindi non credo ci interessi,

Nota storica: sticazzi. IO al tempo ho elaborato il piano Messico e proposto alla Spagna. LORO in cambio ottennero una regione high oil, quindi la cosa conveniva ad entrambi.

convengo con sopra
affitto prepagato

Verissimo, però tutto sommato ci hanno passato due regioni che si potevano prendere e tenere loro senza problemi... Mica ca**i...

Cmq le condizioni sono improponibili... Avete fatto bene a ignorarli! :rulez:

Volevo scrivere qualcosa di serio e politicamente corretto in inglese., ma poi pensandoci bene, credo che le parole che seguono siano più adatte:

Puppate in massa, non vi diamo nulla se non, alle nostre condizioni.
Ciao

@bisiacco

I can completely understand your point of view. My guess is just that, instead of 5 gold a day, you will be able to count on Perun, which is powerful military unit. And Slovakian government has many friends among Polish tanks, what you should also consider as a considerable benefit.

Your horizon is open - with the help of EDEN, you can continue your expansion and earn more money. Slovakia cannot, for Ukraine is now our ally, Czech is sister republic for Slovakia, and there's no possibility to conquer for more than just few days any of Hungarian regions.
Remember the example of Poland, Spain and our conflict about Peru. From the real hostility we ended up us best friends. And even if Spain is and has always been very rich country, Rhone Alps, which they just gave us out of godwill, was for them more important than Lower Austria is now for you.

I recommend you on concentrating more on long term benefits, instead of short term advantages.

Mi sembra di capire che non abbiamo nessun tipo di debito e/o relazione con la Slovacchia, quindi perchè dovremmo darle noi una regione high grain? Se sono così "grandi amici" con la Botland, non possono chiederla a loro visto che controllano una superficie mondiale ben più maggiore dell' eItalia?

In simply words: If Poland is your great friend, why you don't ask to them for a High Grain Region?

L'importante è non incrinare i rapporti con gli altri paesi EDEN, per colpa di questa vicenda.
Ripeto: ma la Slovacchia è membro EDEN?

No Itak, non lo è, è semineutrale, ma è imparentata con la Polonia...

@Zafikel:
I understand that you need some front for you, but I'm thinking: what if Austria makes a RW with the support of Germany or Hungary as they did (tried to do) with us? And what if Hungarians take the region giving money back to Austria? You declare war to Hungarians? You ask us to have a long term vision but is it a long term solution?

Instead of this I suggest to go on searching for an agreement. You could be a precious allied, but you need to watch our reasons too...

Even though eSlovakia is not official EDEN member, so were you not so long ago, still you received help from EDEN states.

Since it is now in public, it doesn't look good. BTW, publishing this in press was very cleaver move of eSlovak gov.