Of Terrorism and Referendums
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by SaraDroz
eCanada I have some truths to explain. The first is that an experienced diplomat or politician, in real life or in erep, will ALWAYS keep a log/record of a discussion. I have recently had a severe diagreement with Sasha the PP of MDP and our pact is OFF. I did however keep a record of the conversation which I made available to my home Party (CPF). The second is a real life truth that many will be aware of: That one mans 'terrorist' is anothers 'freedom fighter' and terrorists of yesterday are often the Governments of tomorrow.
The core of my discussion with Sasha was about my pledges to hold a referendum and the 'terrorism issue'. Well I have given my pledge that if elected I WILL hold a referendum - I made this commitment BEFORE any coalition was spoken of and certainly will NOT go back on it; a single Congressmans vote to cause this amount loyal eCanadians to leave? And that when we have proof that some people are buying votes and Congress should never decide anyway on the process of the law? Well Sasha's rejection of the referendum on the 'pardon issue' is based upon this: She knows what the result will be.
Interesting... She forsees that a referendum would overturn the pardon and this CANNOT happen. Apparently not even if it is the will of the people...Well I have not clairvoiyant power but was willing to give a referendum a go as a way of resolving the issue once and for all. If exiles are alowed to vote also then they have no reason to complain afterwards. It also resolves the simmering discontent they are gathering in eUSA as we have given a clear choice: Come home, vote and abide by the vote result or shut your moaning. If the vote goes in favour of the pardon I will accept it. Why will those on the opposite side not accept it?
In real life politics I have many issues with the 'European Union' where countries get to vote again and again until the EU gets it's way - then ALL votes are verbotten forever more...
Sasha however sees this as giving into terrorists; the terrorists in her mind being EPC. But EPC clearly say that the next CP should veto the pardon (" just take the first step and veto the pardon") and I have refused this option... However because she knows the result of a referendum, which is more than I do, she regards this as giving into the terrorism of EPC. So how about our Parties and corruption? It seems that 2 of our top 5 Parties belong to Norsefire and some Congressmen are still attempting to bribe voters (which can be proved) is that not terrorism? Apparently not...
So lets get this straight: The pardon solved a problem. Well yes in a way; we are not alowed to call the first terrorist a terrorist (oops). However the pardon created alot more (and more respected) terrorists, who until then had given great service to eCanada. With these people I was literaly almost accused of speaking to! Sure I confess rofl... I have also spoken to old friends and enemies in eUK who now side with ONE. I still subscribe to Iain Keers paper too! The point is that to call the pardoning of a 'terrorist' political expediency and therefore justifiable, no matter the legal process, and NOT to sanction a referendum and choice of the community as it bows to 'terrorists' that were created as 'terrorists' specificaly by the re -labeling of the first 'terrorist' as 'non-terrorist' is clearly nonesense. It is as if we hated fire, first we fought it but it burned so many villages we said fire is ok. Then we blame the kettle for being hot and have to fight the kettle. Yes EPC are wrong but to claim we have no 'terrorism' in eCanada now is a delusion. Chose your terrorist!
I will NOT quote the log of a private conversation I had with a well meaning but, to my mind, misguided eCanadian. On basic principles we clearly differ and on these principles I answer to my conscience and with your support to eCanada.
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SaraDroz negotiates and takes her marching orders from Terrorists
End of Story
says the kettle...
Explain the mechanics of a referendum. The game does not allow for it, so how would you do it?
Well said Sara. o/
That's funny Rolo, because we haven't heard one word from SaraD outside of her articles.
You conspire with terrorists, they hurt the nation and the outcome of the referrendum is the same as a veto because those who will vote in the referendum have been misinformed about Rolo.
He may of stolen the gold, but he was legally impeached and that is why. We then have 18 months of his political terrorism and guess what... THIS STOPPED WITH HIS PARDON.
Now, because a minority of (former) eCanada's strongest are opposed, you are choosing to win them over by giving them what they want. You also know the outcome of the referendum and you are just covering up the fact that you are purposely giving to terrorists thier demands with all this referendum BS, we all know that the results of the referendum will be a yes to banning Rolo because the mass of voters in it will be two-clickers who have only been told one thing: Rolo stole gold" not even told that it was 18 bloody months ago and the pardon fixed politicla terrorism.
You talk about fixing the country, but you're only taking it back. I do not oppoe the referendum because I know the outcome, I oppose it because you choose to do it in conspiration with terroroists that harm the country. People say Rolo the thief should never get to be CP, but you're no differnet in harming the country like this.
Go to the TCOP forums
and I quote
"I have spoken with Addy Lawrence/EPC and he seems to think that a referendum, which I believe is the correct way forward, on the 'pardon issue' would stop their interfering. I am looking for a legal manner in which to do this"
-SaraDroz - sucking up for support on TCOP forums after having taken marching orders from the leader of the EPC (Self Exiled eCanadian Terrorists)
Like I said in Sasha's article, she was just stringing you along Sara.
I can't help buty notice those who are support Sara heer in the comments are mostly EPC members. Anyone else notice that?
@anonymousHooligan check my article for evidence that is from SaraD herself.
Whoa. Sasha. read what you said. "We then have 18 months of his political terrorism and guess what... THIS STOPPED WITH HIS PARDON."
Rolo was a terrorist. You agreed with giving in to his demands.
EPC are terrorists. You don't agree with giving in to our demands.
Double standard ftw.
Pardoning Rolo was a prtical solution to Politicval terrorism, and since when did he make demands on his pardon? he didn't have any say in his pardon, If I remember correctly it was crisfire who propsoed his pardon, THERE WERE NO DEAMNDS ON IT.
Interesting take Sasha. I will have to give your opinions a good think.
^ objective thinks to find the right solution, LEARN FROM HIM!
I'm voting Sara Droz.
Politicians are elected to represent the citizens. Not to play politics. I can't think of a better way to represent the citizens than direct democracy.
I don't think so Beeman, I'm pretty sure politicians play poltics in order to get elected, not be politicians to represent the citizens therefore and noty play poltics... that outlook looks like fraud logic to me.
Infact, this being a game, surely PLAYING politics is the biggest part of being a politicians, wouldn't you agree to that?
Haa stop the hate toward EPC members, they are quite a reasonable people. They have legit goals: increased the integrity in eCanada. They just don't agree with Rolo supporters on how to achieve that. They don't think that Rolo is part of the answer. And we couldn't agree more with them. Regarding integrity and honestly is definitely not an example.
EPC wouldn't be a threat if you didn't consider then like a threat. I lol'ed each time I heard anyone call them terrorist. Maybe a rally for sanity could help us. : P
whats a referendum? I dont see that in the CP's rights and freedoms
I see the option of Executive Order but nothing on referendum's
OK I accept this point "Pardoning Rolo was a prtical solution to Politicval terrorism". How is is holding a referendum NOT a practical solution to terrorism?
that it will mean Rolo will go back to political terrorism... by the military terrorism of those who only respect the legal decision-making process when it goes in thier favour, you say you will fix corruption in congess, but what's not so currupt about going off and attacking your own country because you didnlt get your way legally? all legal procedures in congress took place (numerous times) and then congress voted on the pardon and it was a yes 16-15, the numbers ot won by doesn't actually have anything to do wit it,
Rolo has you terrified with fear.
Sasha, you talk as though you already know the result.
Sasha: My point was that they should be striving to represent their citizens, but often don't. They would rather keep their job than do the right thing.
But then I'm just pissed at Harper's budget.
The pardon was passed by Congress. Whether 1 vote or 20. It is law. The EPC are terrorists and their sympathizers are trying to keep fighting over the same issues as have been at play for 18 months. They failed for 18 months and yet they keep screaming about something that a only small minority of the population wants to carry on with. Now they have Addy pulling Sara's strings and she has taken up the shrill call.
Sara is an EPC collaborator. They are trying to undermine our government and lawful declarations. In addition to the treason of some in fighting against Canada while still citizens, this would also have the effect of initiating a coup. They want to take over Congress and make their own laws and rules because they don't want to abide by ours.
Anyone who is asking to be our CP and is saying they would bring up the pardon issue again is only going to keep all of eCanada in conflict and disagreement.
Sara doesn't have any vision or plan for eCanada except to do EPC bidding.
Sasha has a platform and a plan. At least she can accept the rule of law and work in a democratic process. Sara and her supporters would choose to diminish those attributes and smear her as being corrupted. How sad. There is no substance to what Sara states. There is only noise.
It actually passed twice by 2 different elected congresses, 2 CP's failed to veto it, and a 3rd Congress just recently overwhelmingly passed an amendment to the charter preventing future CP's from Vetoing it....
That not enough for you?
Rolo has you terrified with fear. x2
Armour144, to be serious, no one can tell my emotions, so don't even try.
Funky, we all know what the results are, ALL of us, that is why Sara chooses to do a referendum and cover up that she's giving the terrorists thier demands.
No Sasha, I'm referring to you saying "that it will mean Rolo will go back to political terrorism" when talking about the referendum.
The fear of Rolo returning to pre-pardon activities is why you're rejecting using a referendum.
And the Fear of the EPC should be a reason to consider one at all?
Nice circular logic.....
He may of stolen the gold, but he was legally impeached and that is why. We then have 18 months of his political terrorism and guess what... THIS STOPPED WITH HIS PARDON.
The only thing that changed is he is no longer a criminal in word. otherwise wtf changed?
so, the last time Rolo PTOd a party, was before or after his parodon?
Armour144, fliad logic is flaud, it's almost invalid & doesn't need a counter-arguement anymore, I've proven all ur points wrong so far. I'll prove more of ur points after I sleep now.
Rolo has been an contributing citizen and congressman since the pardon. Name one thing he has done wrong?
I'm a long time subscriber of Iain Keers. Regardless of which side of the pond he writes, he is a great read.
Druid name one reason that we shouldn't have a binding referendum? Because it re-opens the issue? And seriously I can provide evidence of him trying to buy votes, you also have only to look at the Parties...
Rolo advocated the NE on Ireland while Wally tried to impeach Acacia, pull your head out of your a$$
ummm - I'm allowed as a congressman to lobby for a NE on whoever I like
-Is buying Votes illegal Sara? - Please link me to the legislation that says so... - And your "Evidence" was rewarding someone for joining my Party, not buying a vote - re-read the PM that I sent. that is a time honored eCanadian tradition....
Maybe instead of running for CP, you should run for CONGRESS and work to change all these things that you don't seem to like.....
This is amusing: "those who will vote in the referendum have been misinformed about Rolo." Pray tell me he was never a 'terrotist'? The money was an illusion? Hold on... how can the pardon have solved political 'terrorism' if we were misinformed all along?
Why must you speak in riddles and broken sentences Sara?
Is that how they speak in the UK? - Is this the "Kings English" that I'm not understanding?
Sara, I'd like to know how you keep up on everything that the government and congress are doing when you haven't been on the eCan forums since February 2nd?
http://i46.servimg.com/u/f46/15/06/82/50/saradr10.png
I know there are arguments for and against the forums but atm that is where the majority of congress' work is done and topics discussed. Are you planning on being more active on the forums if elected or are you planning on doing everything by pm's and IRC?
I have been away from this game for a long time, so I am not fully informed on what is going on...but these articles make me feel like you are launching a Jihad against your own country.
A pardon can be considered as a fresh start. So because we gave one man a second chance, many players who strongly dislike this one man, many so-called "patriots" would take up arms against their own "beloved" country for giving a player a second chance.
EPC, "raising the cost of indifference"
Result? destroying the canadian economy.
Rolo was PTO'ing parties
Result? people moved and formed new parties, or fortified prexisting ones.
The EPC has their (foolish) way of trying to solve the problem. And the elected officials in eCanada have theirs. I for one, do not find ANY of the people running for Country president suitable for the responsibility that it calls for.
The Real issue here is what are the EPC going to try and do to mend the situation (and i mean something that actually mends it), and what is the government going to do to end this ridiculous in-fighting. I don't think i'm alone when i say i'm tired of this poo slinging.
When I give the answer most ppl will be staunchly against it, but I've given it none the less and there is support also. Honestly you can hate me for it and I don't care, the real problem is a CP with a huge set of balls is needed to get it rolling. Unfortunately I don't see anyone like that stepping up.
Aeriala, da hell credentials do you have to come round every month when it nears te CP election, spread your opinion about a country you no longer hold citizenship in, then wonder off again after the CP election?
I have a huge set of balls
I shall make u into an Eunuch Aeriala
You have identified the wrong enemy, when will you get it?
actually nm you are playing the puppet, i know where things are going,
All HAIL the Dirt Road Scholar!