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Great freaking article. Masterfully written. Pertamax btw.

you do an excellent job at communicating your point clearly and effectively. And gasp! you have a sense of humor, who knew?

"The simple fact is we cannot survive on our own."

Another politician spouting the exact same assumptions.

We need allies. We don't need ATLANTIS.

nice, good vision and balanced also

@Gaius - I sure didn't.

Hari Michaelson, then shall we join PEACE? Or shall we go with all the nations who's average strength is below 2?

I'm just curious as to your plan of action here.

For starters, I would ask why those are the only option you consider outside of ATLANTIS.

Simply put, to make the assumption that without ATLANTIS we are "on our own" is ridiculous. We must look to form alliances with nations from ATLANTIS, PEACE, and neutral countries alike.l Do you honestly believe that every nation will shun us? That if we leave ATLANTIS we will be left out in the cold, with no one willing to sign an MPP with us?

"As we've seen from Uncle Sam's negotiations with PEACE, they are not a people to follow cease fires or any other agreement."

Wow. I can't believe I missed this.

This is ridiculous, and it clearly shows how deeply you buy into the mindset that "PEACE is evil because they are PEACE".

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It seems you've embraced the attitude that "ATLANTIS may be SOBs, but at least they are our SOBs". Well let me tell you a little story about your new-acquired allies - the eGerman president and congress (I'm not calling the eGerman and eAustrian people your allies, because how much they agree with Isy and DKN's decisions will be seen at the next elections), how they cheated eAustria into leaving ATLANTIS and getting annexed into eGermany, and how they thanked PEACE for the liberation of several eGerman regions and the lending of a hospital with a stab in the back.
Everything in the Anschluss affair pretty much revolves around greed of the e😜resident of eAustria, Chicco, who owns companies in southern Austria (Lower Austria and Burgenland), and how this greed was exploited by Isy and DKN to pursue their plan of getting out of PEACE. So Chicco wanted bigger markets for his companies, and that's why he insisted the whole of eAstria to be annexed into eGermany, rather than lending a few regions to eHungary to form a protective belt against a potential eRomanian invasion (remember eAustra and eGermany were both PEACE GC members at the time this plan was negotiated). When told his demands are unreasonable rather than try to reason with his allies he tired to back out of the 3-party contract( between eAustria-eGermany-eHungary), which he had personally signed and which allowed eHungary to occupy certain eAustrian regions, and called the eHungarian attack on Burgenland an invasion and PEACE - an enemy.
So these are your "honorable" and "trustworthy" allies - people who don't listen to their nations' voice, will sell their countries' interest for personal gain, will shake hands with an old-time enemy (eSweden) and will stab their benefactor in the back just to avoid having to say "Thank you!". Are these really the allies you can't do without!?

PEACE's "revenge" for eAustria and eGermany leaders' betrayal - 2 eAustrian regions have been liberated and the eAustrians again have their own country.

"As we've seen from Uncle Sam's negotiations with PEACE, they are not a people to follow cease fires or any other agreement."
I can't believe you're saying this as war-games have been arranged with eMexico to start in two-and-a-half hours and last till early May. What does this mean - you think that President Scabman lies and this invasion of Baja is a prelude to all-out war?!
By calling for a new alliance to balance international affairs and keep aggression within reasonable limits you could have made a pledge for writing eWorld history. With this comment you've shown that like most former presidents you'd be content to provide comic relief in the footnotes of eHistory. Nathan Woods - fail.

You have to realize you've stayed weak militarily and diplomatically because you don't think for yourselves - you let the eRomanian ATLANTIS HQ tell you what to do and you are willing to continue this practice of avoiding responsibility for your decisions and having to support them with arguments by saying "ATLANTIS said do".

Get your own newspaper, Grakulan.

Does Bulgaria have so little of interest that you have to troll our media all day? Does PEACE pay you to spam up USA media or do you just do it for the lulz?

I have my own newspaper. I don't "troll", I express my opinion when the eUSA is making decisions that might influence my own country.

Maybe information is preventing you from making irrational, whimsical and prejudiced decisions for your country's future? If this is the case I apologize! I'll try to give you more propaganda and less information, just like most of your e😜residents did and current presidential candidates continue doing.

Your "allies" the eCroats are getting ready to erase eR newcomer eSerbia off the map as its protection period is ending. They installed a puppet president and in the previous congress, which they had TO'd ran an intentionally failed impeachment vote so the new congress cannot vote for a new impeachment for 2 more days.
Their reasons - they want war, because they've been in the game long-enough and are bored. And they have the nerve to ask for ATLANTIS help in this invasion, because their weaker neighbour ... hear this ... was a threat to them!!

In the meantime eHungarians took over eNorway's congress and what do you think they did? Loot the treasury and install suicidal laws? No. They are voting good laws and have started a training resistance war in Northern Caucasus.
And what did eRomanians do with eNorway - they took away the Urals region promising to give it back, but now they are backing out of this promise because they lost full control over the country.
eHungarians behave well even with an enemy nation they have TO'd, and eRomanians betray even their allies. Actions speak louder than words!

@Hari
"That if we leave ATLANTIS we will be left out in the cold, with no one willing to sign an MPP with us?"
They certainly would sign a few MPPs. But they would have no need to send military aide when we need it.

"This is ridiculous, and it clearly shows how deeply you buy into the mindset that 'PEACE is evil because they are PEACE'."
Actually, it means that I buy into the mindset that nobody, Peace OR Atlantis, wants to do anything that will not benefit them more than the other. Human nature.

And what about eChina - it is getting its regions back one by one as a gift from eIndonesia and ePakistan.

"They certainly would sign a few MPPs. But they would have no need to send military aide when we need it."

As if the rest of ATLANTIS is going to be forced to send that aid if we fall under attack. If we make the assumption that our "allies" are not going to send aid, then can we not make that very same assumption when it comes to ATLANTIS?

The charter's stipulation to provide aid is worthless if we assume this to be true.

"Actually, it means that I buy into the mindset that nobody, Peace OR Atlantis, wants to do anything that will not benefit them more than the other. Human nature."

Then you should seriously consider rephrasing that statement, since making a broad generalization about how an entire group of nations doesn't really strike me as "everyone looks out for themselves".

> We formed Atlantis.

Do you actually know how Atlantis was formed?

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Grakulan, you are so lucky there is no such thing as PvP any more. Just for spamming this article I'd gladly wipe the floor with you.

Grakulan vs All Atlantis propaganda xDDDD

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IJLIV, I'm shaking 🙂

Making threats you couldn't be expected to carry out is pathetic.

You are calling the presentation of facts and arguments spamming and that is indicative of your level of political sophistication. Maybe I should just scream 3-word slogans to be on the same level as you?!

By the way President Scrabman made a deal with eMexico and gave the eUSA war games. I expect this will make him immensely popular and your anti-PEACE propaganda will lose steam as day after day the eMexicans and their PEACE allies show to be much more true to their word than for example a recently impeached eUSA president was. I'm saying this so you know it is time to kiss your vice-presidential dreams goodbye 🙂

"And what about eChina - it is getting its regions back one by one as a gift from eIndonesia and ePakistan."

China is only getting its regions back because it is an effective way to block Atlantis advancing into Central Asia, the indonesians there are those that want to build a free and independent China but sadly it is not enough as China has been TO'ed by the Iranians, if you don't believe me read the official statement of China's president 😕

http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/why-won-t-you-fight-your-own-war--766165/1/20

5 April 2009

woow..you ar so visionable man 🙂

I for one don't agree...we WOULD be out in the cold, because if we abruptly left ATLANTIS, no ATLANTIS country would keep their MPP's with us. IMO

So what happened to India? They just randomly decided that giving up their country so that Indonesia could lose to Romania would be better than preserving their hard fought sovereignty?

And Australia is hardly in a good position with their agreement with Indonesia. They might get their land back, provided they show 'good behavior'. They even get to contribute to the Indonesian economy long after their country is independent, since most of their economy is Indonesian. Isn't that just wonderful?

And they don't need friends-they have Indonesia! Anyone else allying with them could do evil things, maybe even influence them to revolt. Because everyone loves being a subject.

But srsly, the point by point trolling is getting old. I'm not saying Romania is any better than Indonesia. I'm just saying that you're as hypocritical as you accuse Nathan of being.

You can't forget to include a few more of our enemies in that list:

Switzerland 6.57
Brazil 3.68
Italy 3.52
Hungary 3.49

These are the armies which defeated us in Mexico.

I thought I was pretty solidly locked on voting for another candidate, but you've made me think otherwise. Beautiful article with understanding of the global relationships. My only question: what is your position on taxes and the overall economy?

I am and always will be a card carrying member of ATLANTIS.

Al-Iskander, I respect the eRomanians mainly for 2 things:
1. they have good strategists;
2. they don't deny (and even take pride in the fact) that they are warmongers and will use any tactic, no matter how underhanded, as long as it's allowed by the game's rules, to enhance their empire-building;
As soon as your politicians stop the hypocritical whining about how bad PEACE is and how good and just ATLANTIS is I won't have to waste my time giving you the facts you should have dug up for yourselves in the first place if you want to be able to make informed and rational decisions.

PEACE is the original defensive alliance in this game. Unfortunately in the course of fighting the eRomanians PEACE GC has been forced to itself resort to some of the ungentlemanly, but efficient tactics, employed by ATLANTIS, like TOs and creation of areas of influence. That's why I'd like a new defensive alliance emerge in the game - so PEACE doesn't have to turn into ATLANTIS.

Lol, you're asking people to open their eyes and stop believing in the "Atlantis good, PEACE bad" slogan but you're only promoting the exact opposite. You can't condemn an extreme behaviour if you just want to replace it with another that is the same in essence but different in "wrapping".

And again, you present no arguments or evidence, just distorted interpretations of facts to put Atlantis in a bad light and Peace in a good one.

Actually the whole picture is gray, there's no clear white or complete black in it, that's what I want to communicate. And everyone has to think for themselves, not listen to lazy politicians saying "Without good ATLANTIS/PEACE the evil ATLANTIS/PEACE will destroy us, so let's do what they ask of us without thinking about the cost, the consequences and our own interest".

Thanks for the slight bash. But, it's alright. The lack of action on treaty reform is about mostly Sam's fault on our side of things. I was one of the loudest voices for reform and I saw a lot of support for it. It was my priority for the month, then Sam demoted me to uMoFA and promoted Publius. I don't see anywhere on ATLANTIS that Publius or Sam brought up reform while they were had access.

Now, some of you will ask me "Why didn't you do it as soon as you are Sec. State again?' My answer is do you really want to attempt to get reform started with about 13 days left in a presidential term? There was very little chance of getting everyone on board in ATLANTIS to get reform started in less than 13 days. I would say the reform process will most likely take 1-2 full terms.

Barring an international crisis, if I remain at the post of Secretary of State, I will make ATLANTIS reform my top priority while in my position. This is not meant to be a campaigning speech for my continuation of SoS, it is just a clarification of why reform hasn't occurred yet.

whoa, great article! You may have re-won my vote!

I agree with some of your military numbers, however, eUSA has a very large amount of inactive members who throw off the average strength score. Within the NG we run an average str of 4.0 at a minimum. So we are in fact, not as weak as that makes us sound.

Don't have the time to read it all Nathan, but I do feel the need to say just because the top 3 Countries with the best average Strength does not mean we should remain in Atlantis. Time and again I have found myself at odds with both allies and enemies. Time and again our allies have proved that they are above the rules but when the US does those same things we are accused of breaking them and are called dirty names. Time and again we have been as a country insulted be these so called "allies". These people constantly insult us, how can anyone stand this? Sure words mean little, especially over the internet but do not forget these people are supposed to be our "friends"!

http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/whats-wrong-with-small-newspapers-765499/1/20#comments

i am with you here. but we need action. i cannot do much currently as an individual but together we can fix this. i look forward to my time to have a say in what will help the country. currently i barely afford my citizen dues.....i hope to become involved in politiks soon.

One qualm I have is that the loss in Mexico was not simply due to Portugal but a confederation of nations.

Yes as Numa said, we didn't fight JUST Portugal. We fought all of PEACE. Even if it was just Portugal im certain PEACE soldiers moved to Portugal to fight.

How do i find the atlantis alliance?

Impressive, sir.

Yes, please print all you have.

A great article Nathan, but its missing justinious 😛 lol jk

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