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Can't wait to see the pic's 🙂

Or did Odan delete those to?

Corruption levels has no limits 😂

"Its abuse by a player and a moderator who deleted our post claiming explanations and actually real proofs "

except i didn't delete a single post.
and i delivered enough proof for congress to not only blacklist both of you, but to actually strip both of you off all of your citizen rights.

Learn to wave your hands to say goodbye Odan and it was abuse 😘

Waiting for the expat to show us moral hahahahaha, I love the Dutch irony

Boohoo

The only 99% I can find, is your battery level.

You have to understand how it works. Congress consists of people who want to represent eNL. Sadly a bunch of them don't really care what happens and they don't participate in debates or votes. It is of course not a nice situation if a lot of people in our country don't give a fuck about it. The only thing to make the country governable is to maintain a quorum. Such a thing is created a long time ago and you can also find it in almost every parliament in the world. The quorum in eNL is very low thanks to the lack of interest of the community of being active in politics. It's 40%. This means 40% of the congress members have to vote on a proposal. In december the congress members showed less interest than ever, and congress/goverment decided to remove the rights of some CM's who never showed up in parliament. This means the 12 people who voted on your blacklisting, are more than 40% of the congress members at that time, which means the vote is legal.

But I agree it is not a nice situation. It would be much better if people show more interest and not run just for the medal, but to actually do something. I know you are convinced about some corrupt elite. Even if this is the case, the only way to fight it is for the system to work like it should. This means everyone who runs for congress member, should also act as a congress member. Because of them not doing that, you are now blacklisted (assuming that these people voted against the proposal of course, otherwise your statement is false in its core).

Srsly so Odan's friends are the majority in congress, wow it explains a lot the bad decisions, the sad thing these 0 real evidence in these discussions or do you have an excuse for that too? Just wondering

I didn't vote on this proposal, because the blacklisting procedure is not based on the law, but on the personal preference of everyone. That means it doesn't matter what you did or didn't, congress decided to blacklist you because they had reasons for themselves to do it. You can call that undemocratic and I agree with that. It's something undemocratic in our laws that makes the congress a judge. But that doesn't mean it isn't lawful. It is. Our country decided to act on every situation with common sense and own judgement instead of writing a criminal law. In this case I didn't vote myself, but I agreed with the decision. Something I never thought I would, but it seems for me you are the reason for a lot of motivation problems of others. Thanks to you, other players were leaving politics. That means you are a danger for the community and I sadly can't tolerate you any longer.

So for me the blacklisting of you is a case of the preservation of our community. But I don't like it isn't based on a criminal law. I noticed in this case I let my own preference take over my commitment to have good general laws to deal with these situations. So I decided to take a break from politics because once your personal preferences are more important than what others think, things are going wrong.

A lot of wise words Spir Tus. No clue on what happened though. Still it would in general be great if more people would be able to act non personal and look at the actual case!

Well at least you are honest, you let your personal opinion influenced your decision with 0 real proofs about our non impartial blacklisted decision, thanks God in real life there's something called evidence which is something imaginative here

That is why I didn't make the decision. And to make it clear, in case of a blacklist procedure, the congress members are asked to give their personal opinion on the blacklist candidate. Which means there is no evidence needed. But of course there are a lot of congress members who need that evidence for themselves. I just don't agree blacklisting should be based on personal preferences, but it is, so it is clear the decision is legit according to the law.

That's the most ridiculous way to blacklisted someone, more like the prohibition of free speech which is the only thing which is clear in these accusations

Actually, it's not that ridiculous. Blacklisting is an act of judgment, and we lack a judicial power. So that means the legislative power is also the judicial power. If everyone agrees, someone will be punished. Which is exactly the case here.

Btw explain how a discussion was closed in one day when other have been opened by months, again Spir Tus you are defending a shit system which doesn't work at all called Dutch Congress, nothing more, tha s the impression of your bible

Discussions are closed because people are sick of your complaints. All you do is criticizing and you never ever help to improve the things you see. Even if you think some people are corrupt, you shouldn't attack those. I sometimes have the feeling there are some people who do things they shouldn't do, but that doesn't mean I attack them immediately. No, I work with them together to see if my preconceptions are false (almost always they are).

It's really simple kimi. If you are nice yourself, people will be kind to you too. If you attack them, even if you think you are right, they will attack you even more. Be constructive, don't criticize just to attack, but to help improving whatever you're adressing. Don't attack people personally, but if you don't trust them criticize and try to improve the seats they are on. Of course, a lot of people in eNL aren't doing these things either. That's why there is friction between a lot of people in our community.

Just ignore our blacklisted bullies!

You aren't ignoring us, you are ignoring the abuse by Odan and an useless congress which decide laws and changes for the whole country with the opinion of a minority, it's a shame

Just leave our country with all of your accounts. Thank you.

Nope, you seems aggressive, perhaps because you know this is abuse and nothing more also you should stay neutral is your job, don't forget that little monkey

oh fuck off really quit whining, you getting blacklisted is YOUR OWN FAULT

You need moral lessons

wouldnt mind to see you a bit more neutral, friend. they may be blacklisted, that doesnt mean everybody agrees with that. I think your role (the role we gave you) justifies an appropriate neutrality. Its not yours to advice people to leave our country, especially not if they are in my party, or to call them names.

Ik ben het volledig met je eens Wal, maar toch heeft ElGorro een punt dat ze beter op kunnen rotten. Zelfs ik vind ze vervelend en heb helemaal niks met ze te maken.

I still am allowed to have an opinion. I am an ellected Congress Member. 😉

So, you want someone who is neutral to disagree with congress in this case?

Guess wut I was elected too as CM is not that magical

Perhaps you should take a look at what these people write before you defend them.

They would have been banned on every normal forum around the world months before we had this vote.

That's not true at all

Het maakt niet uit of iemand gelijk heeft op de feiten. Ik vind een verzoek op te rotten veel te ver gaan. Voor een gewone citizen vind ik dat ongemanierd en voor een dictator eigenlijk ongepast. Er is maar een instantie die recht van spreken heeft en dat is ons congres. Zelf als een dictator die mening is toegedaan (en dat mag) dan hoeft ie dat niet publiekelijk te doen. Maar goed wellicht ben ik de enige die een andere rol in gedachte had voor een dictator.

Maar Walhallah, kun je dan ook uitlegen waarom hij dat al helemaal niet mag zeggen omdat hij in jouw partij zit? Aangezien je dat aanhaalde.

@ElGorro: Dus een niet CM heeft geen recht op zijn mening?

Walhallah, ik weet niet wat jij op hebt maar Kimi moet gewoon op rotten, kijk effekes op he forum en wat dit kut blaag doet. niet onze steil.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egkGUxVHSUA

IK ga er niet over wie op moet rotten of niet. Dat soort zaken zal je nooit van mij publiekelijk horen. En daarom verwacht ikzelve het niet van 'mijn' dictator, die voor 'mij' een functie heeft.
Mijn formulering over het in mijn partij zitten was niet helemaal goed, maar vermoedelijk bedoelde ik daarmee dat je dan van mij een reactie kan verwachten. Op deze manier wordt het partijpolitiek en dat lijkt me onwenselijk. Hadden ze in een andere partij gezeten dan had je van mij mogelijk een afwachtende stilte gehoord. Maar nu voelde ik me gekieteld om op deze publieke uitspraken (die ik dus te ver vind gaan) te reageren.
zoiets..

Photo of Kimi when he complaints
http://my10online.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/girl-crying.jpg

shut up

Legendardisch you are a trash player, what are you going to do this month? Maybe beg for a job in government or another apology, please tell us

please stop spewing shit that doesnt fit. will never work for Shtula. no need to apologize for anything. you need to however.

http://youtu.be/nkr77jE5GFY

I'm sorry, but that 99% you're talking about is definitely your own method statistics, or indeed the battery level...

I believe odan gave the percentage of congress votes, which you call nonsense, as congress is a minority.
While you now claim that odan would consider the population of eNL, instead of the actual number of votes...

I believe in this instance odan is perfectly agreed that he got 40.85% of the votes.

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If you want to get a CM to launch an appeal against your punishment, I suggest you start to act in a friendlier fashion. Attacking people definitely is not going to work...

So how do you call this blacklisted thing when there's 0 real evidence and just a few screens of me on irc?

Also what's this about sharing info? What about the posts deleted? Or the ban on irc when others do the same with 0 repercussions? What about that? Also is not stupid to start a motion when I can't participate on forums when I was elected as CM and I don't have access to the forum section? Why do I need to apologise and being on my kneed when its clearly abuse?

I will love to see you in the same position, the irony: when is about another player everyone start a stupid cry, yes I am about the DAF cry

Since when this community call a minority the 99% (yes odan's friends the same who decided kick the ass of Weekstrom of DAF with just a few discussions), if this is true why then we have a congress full of inactive people and just a few or a small group deciding for others?

You don't believe in facts or instances you just believe in empty words with 0 sense, and I am sorry but I am not going around doing fancy stuff to get support

This community is just a bunch of fools supporting each other to get a shit medal in a near future and you guys like to call "democracy" a small group of people on congress, what a joke

I'm nowhere claiming that your punishment was correct. What I was saying is that you're not helping yourself by your general behaviour.

If you want to be part of the group of people active on the forum, you should not insult the people that are most likely to end up trying to help you...
That only helps those people who wanted this punishment.

shut up kimi

Get lost