Objections to the new Tax Policy and Congress candidacy
Dodona
Greetings America,
DBC News is back after a looong time and our program today is featuring the New Tax Policy in eUSA.
(I know most of you have no clue about the DBC Network, but I had to write a whatever introductory line).
As most of you must know by now, the US administration has decided to make some significant changes on taxes. Income taxes increase from 15% to 25%, VAT drops from 7% to 5% and Import taxes go to 15%. I must confess that I have missed most of the debate. I did read a few threads on the forum, however, and read a few articles here in the past couple days.
What triggered me to post my thoughts here is an article published by Kemal Ergenekon earlier today. Kemal is not just one of the advocates of the new policy, but also one of the creators of it. Perhaps the main person behind it (correct me if I'm wrong).
Let me first say that I am not against the new policy altogether; on some things I agree. There are some changes, however, that find me in clear disagreement.
Let me second say (is that even an expression? I think not, so I will copyright it), that I do not have a PhD from a top 3 macro Uni, so one might think that I am not qualified enough to comprehend the problem properly, which will lead me to erroneous results, but I do have a Bachelor's degree and that should be sufficient to understand and assess eRep economics. If not I can always play my Master's card.
ok now let's get to business. I'll start from the Income Tax.
The rationale behind the 25% is briefly this: if you're an active player you shouldn't be paying any income taxes, so this change does not affect you directly. If you're not active enough, you will be taxed for the rest of us. 25% is the cap, so 25% it is. If the cap was 50%, you'd probably have to pay that much.
This logic is erroneous to me for two reasons:
1. It is not socially fair.
Consider player A: he is quite active and old(ish) player, works for MW and has several companies where he produces 3,000 worth of wellness and additional raws daily. His daily income? 1-2ks worth. Income tax that he pays? A quarter. Literally.
Now consider player B: he's a relatively new player or what they would call a 2-clicker (I prefer the 20-clicker term myself), works for market wage, doesn't have that many companies and his total income for a day is 500 usd. Income tax that he's paying? 38 usd.
The tax burden falls entirely on the has-not, while the one who has goes income-tax-free. That I consider socially unfair and just present it here for the record. It is not my main "problem", let alone that someone can come with a counter-argument that this is actually fair and we will go nowhere, since this in not an objective but subjective issue.
2. Kemal said that: "labor income is INELASTIC to taxation ... the government can increase the Income Taxes without hurting production or labor supply at all." That is true... but it is not the issue! What matters is that TAXABLE labor income is NOT inelastic to taxation. You may increase tax rates and get less tax revenues due to this. People who would accept to pay the 15% tax may decide that 25% is too much to pay. So they will turn to alternatives. Find a job with MW and donation, look for work abroad or just quit the game. As you sai😛
"are the most prone to leave the game anyway", so yeah, let's give them another reason to do so! :Ρ
Someone should start a movement "Don't pay IT" and let's see then how much revenues there will be from IT.
An important note here: I am not necessarily against high income taxes (even though I find the 25% a few points too high). On the contrary, in an era of continuous income inflation; and by that I mean total income including work-as-manager, I would agree with a 20% income tax for ALL. But that's impossible to enforce, so it becomes irrelevant to this discussion.
My proposal on income tax: Bring it back to 15% or even better to 12%, encourage people to work with market salary for the sake of America and increase MW to a 5th of the market wage. That would be 30 usd with the current market conditions. Before disregarding this last proposal as unacceptable, stupid or whatever, think that it would mean a minimum IT of ~4 usd per person. peanuts.
Up next, Import Taxes.
15% on raws I agree. On weapons I'd like a further decrease, like 10%. I think 15% is still deterring for people to use the market to export to the US, while with 10% is not really, so it would generate more revenues. But I understand the 15% as well, so it's all good.
And let's go to food... Honestly, the only good explanation I can think for this is that you strongly believe that the bot does not pay import taxes. Otherwise this change doesn't make much sense.
Well I can tell you these:
1. The bot buys imported food regularly at a price of about: (domestic bot price)*1.9. I observed it several times today.
2. Import taxes are deposited to the treasury when a normal player buys the food. I spent about 1k usd testing this today. (yeah that means I donated about 500 usd to the treasury :Ρ).
3. Every hour at xx:50 the treasury reserves jump by 3k-4k usd or even more. Which is more than the amount of money the treasury receives during the rest 59' of the hour (late evening and night time).
Are all those money from VAT? I cannot know, but I sincerely doubt it!
Finally, on VAT I have no disagreement, so no point debating it.
To sum it up, I consider the 25% Income Tax too high. Not only I consider it socially unfair, but I expect it to drive more people out of the market salary, which will lead to less revenues than expected. I also disagree with changing the import tax on food, b/c it will have an adverse effect on revenues.
Of course, time will show what the effects of this new tax policy will be, but for some reason I felt that I should voice my opinion and concerns.
Last but not least! Dodona has never served Congress. Well Congress is not missing much due to this really, but Dodona is missing a medal. So... if any Party wants, I would be thankful if they gave me the opportunity to run in these elections, as an independent candidate, in one of our overseas regions.
And that resumes our program for the day.
Thank you for watching and take care y'all.
~Dodona
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"1. It is not socially fair."
Yes, it is not. My aim was just to maximize total damage output. Since it is a subjective issue, I don't touch it.
On the other hand, active new players will get more than they pay back in terms of help from government programs. Likewise, they always have the option to evade the taxes.
"2. Kemal said that: "labor income is INELASTIC to taxation [...] So they will turn to alternatives. Find a job with MW and donation, look for work abroad or just quit the game. As you sai😛 "are the most prone to leave the game anyway", so yeah, let's give them another reason to do so! :Ρ"
I don't think anyone will leave the game just because they are paying 25% taxes instead of 15%. Regardless, the two other points you raise should be discussed.
Given the past US tax data, and the share of wage income in total income of the average American, I think it is very unlikely that the revenues can increase by having some tax rate lower than 25%. The reasoning is as follows: In the past, wage income was the bulk of the income (say %80) for the average American. Now it is below 50%. In the past it had been determined that an income tax rate of 23% was revenue-maximizing. The decrease in dependence on wage income must have shifted this point considerably higher.
Plus, there are many other reasons to prefer the US over other countries. Political and nationalistic reasons aside, the US generally boasts of a respectable array of natural resources, which directly translates into additional production, which might very well compensate for the income tax losses when compared with other countries (not all of them of course - but it is a point to be considered).
Your finding on the bot really concerns me. Could you send me the result of all your experiments?
(If it started paying taxes *again* I will jump from a high cliff. I was the one to pull the Import Taxes to 99% on food to tax the bot; it was changed in the following week.)
The issues you raise are fair enough, but thinking of how the country managed to survive with 23% Income Tax in the past when wages *did* matter a lot; I don't really see why it is intolerable today.
Anyway, thanks for your article! I am looking forward to your next analysis/criticism.
Well I'm not saying that it's intolerable. I just don't like it and I also think that it will yield less revenues than expected. After all, I did say that if you could enforce 20% IT for all I'd be ok with that. That would be lots of money spent well centrally.
On the 23% when it really mattered, you are right. It's effect was a LOT more important than the 25% today. But that past tax system meant relatively low "real income" for Americans, as I had observed in two "studies" at the time:
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/dbc-report-real-income-pt-2-2--1587850/1/20
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/real-income-how-does-your-country-rank--1628356/1/20
As an engineer, I'm a total dummy where economics is concerned. What interested me was the comparison of Kemal Ergenekon's style here, as opposed to comments in Turkish articles.
V+S
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The bot no longer pays import tax, but still appears to pay VAT.
I don't get the argument that an active player doesn't pay income tax. I'm active and I pay them.
Great article!
V+S.
very good article, v&s - Kemal Ergenekon's analysis in the comments is also interesting as always.
Re Tibulus' comment, I suspect (but can't say with certainty) there are a lot of active players who are not dodging taxes. I've been with one employer for a long time, and there's never been any tax evasion on my salary at all. I buy and sell on the market daily but can't remember the last time I did a private transaction (not saying I never have, but rarely).
@Oblige: any proof of that?
@ Tibulus & Iamnameless: certainly there are active any semi-active players you pay their income taxes. and I suspect that some of those may decide not to anymore.
-V-
eUSA had a great taxes program before.
The game has changed, eUSA has changed.
@Dodona I think you're right... it certainly seems like higher taxes would encourage more tax evasion - even at current rates there are plenty of citizens doing it. Understandably those who are paying their taxes may feel like suckers and decide not to at some point.
Dodona in conress \o/
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Dodona in conress \o/ x2
Kemal is a clown.
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