Motivation [Motiváció]
Quicksilver
Motivation
Lately I have read a lot of articles that accuse PEACE countries of imperialism, of ruthlessness, of hypocrisy, and so on. Earlier, when Atlantis countries tried to conquer the free world, I have read the same about them. Does that mean that the winners take it all, and the loosers cry wolf? Does that mean that history is written by the winners and so the loosers must have the moral high ground so they can find some consolation in it? Does that mean that there are no morals, just interests and they change as the balances tip amongst the forces?
No. It means that we mostly look at it from a wrong angle.
A basic tenet: each and every country wants what it perceives the best for itself, and nobody else. The morality is not decided by how the countries can cover up this fact with propaganda, but what is that country's second and third driving force.
In other words: Our interest is always first, and our morality means what we do in the second place. This second place can contain allies' interests or friend's interests or IRL issues and emotions, or moral/ethical considerations, or base driving forces like racial hatred or prejudice, just to name a few from all over the spectrum. And they will decide a country's image to the world. Not the primary motive, for it is the same for all - but the rest.
Not when it is conquering a say high iron region from another country, because, let's face it, we would all do that if we could. No. The image is decided when the conquest is done (primary motivation satisfied), and the so-called other considerations come into the moral equations. What to do with the native inhabitants? What to do with allies' interests? What to do with enemy propaganda? What to do with shady issues, when enemy and friend overlap?
Those are the real questions. When a country answers these - with actions! - then it is decided what kind of a country it is, what are its morals and ethics - if any.
Motivációk
Az utóbbi időkben több olyan cikket is olvastam, amelyek a PEACE országait vádolják imperializmussal, könyörtelenséggel, álszentséggel meg hasonlókkal. Korábban, amíg a volt Atlantis országai foglalgatták el a szabad világ nagy részét, addig róluk írogatták ugyanezeket. Azt jelentené ez, hogy a győztes bármit is tesz, a vesztesek farkast fognak kiáltani? Azt jelentené ez, hogy a győztesek írják a történelmet, így a veszteseknek muszáj az erkölcsi magaslatokat elfoglalni, hogy legalább az vigasztalja őket? Azt jelentené ez, hogy nincs is erkölcs vagy morál, csak érdekek amelyek úgy változnak, ahogyan az erőviszonyok a hatalmak között?
Nem. Ez azt jelenti, hogy a rossz oldaláról közelítjük meg a problémát.
Az alapelv: Minden egyes ország azt akarja elérni, amit a saját maga számára a legjobbnak tart. Senki másra nem gondol eközben. A moralitást nem az dönti el,hogy az ország ezt az elsődleges célt mennyire tudja elfedni propagandával, hanem hogy mik a másodlagos és ezután következő motivációi.
Más szavakkal: Mindig a saját érdekünk az első, és a moralitás csak attól függ, hogy a második helyen mik vannak. Csak a második helyen vannak, lehetnek a szövetségesek érdekei, a barátságok és ellenségeskedések, az IRL viszonyok és érzelmek, morális és etikai megfontolások, vagy alantasabb ösztönök, mint a faji előítéletek és gyűlölködések - hogy a spektrum teljes skálájáról megnevezzek néhányat. És bizony ezek fognak egy országról alkotott képet meghatározni, nem pedig a mindenkinél egyforma elsődleges motiváció, az önérdek.
Például nem az a lényeg, amikor egy ország elfoglal egy - mondjuk - high iron régiót, mivel legyünk realisták, ezt mindenki megtenné ha meg tudná. Nem. Az ország imázsa akkor dől el, amikor a hódítás megtörtént (az elsődleges motiváció beteljesült), és elkezdenek megjelenni az úgynevezett egyéb megfontolások, körülmények. Mit tegyünk az őslakosokkal? Mit tegyünk a szövetségesek érdekeivel? Mit tegyünk az ellenséges propagandával? Mit tegyünk a szürke zónával,ahol barát és ellenség átfed?
Ezek az igazi kérdések. Amikor egy ország ezekre válaszol- a tetteivel! - akkor dől el, hogy milyen ország, milyen morál, milyen erkölcse van. Ha van.
Quicksilver
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Comments
Yes, winners definetly are writing history.
Wonderful article, really cuts through the bull to get to the truth
gr8 article with a realist twist on international relations🙂
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the romanian empire had a huge difference from indonesia. While indonesia didn't have problems in returning regions they didn't need and in growing good relations with the natives, Romania took them as if they were their own regions and wouldn't let go of them.
While indonesia works on diplomacy even after the conquest, romania despised the ones that they conquered.
And yes, the type of country is seen in what they do afterwards
tetszik az új hisztimentes Quicksilver!
(this is just an example ofc)
Nekem mindig tetszett Quicksilver! 🙂
this is exactly what I think. Voted, of course.
The only question is what will Hungary do.
you may be right, but it's funny to see how these debates arise only after your position changes..
why not worry about good and evil when u are being abused.. guess the answer is in your article.. because morality is the answer when you're weak, when you're not raw power is..
nice
Ez így van.
That's true. I's just the way of the world.
Zoli: the same like Romania🙂 And once we will also fall...and after us, a new powe will emerge, and a journalist of this country will write an article, asking the same questions about morality...
But until that: Vae victis🙂
Grat Quicksilver!
Csak ilyet.
"History is the version of past events that people have decided to agree upon." - Napoleon
Usually the winners are the ones who write history, because the losers won't be around to tell the story, or none will listen to them.
The Atlantis side also called you losers crying for your propaganda back then and you didn't seem to have a problem with that. Now the tables it seems really have changed. How dull.
Quite the opposite Mistwalker (and sebahmah too), it is interesting. And worth noting, no matter which side you are actually on, because the sides and roles change, but these truths will remain truths...
For now.
Truths or not truths. What amazes me (and saddens me, and it is not pointed to you), is that the PEACE propaganda machine (which is way better than the E/F one) created such an image of the alliance that they are Holy Mary.
Let's face it. Every story has two sides. And I do not believe there is an absolute truth. One that can be accepted by all the sides.
Take the Baltic situation. Or the invasion of Switzerland (a nice country tbh), or the fact that some people are now thinking of invading Greece (what did Greece do to anybody, really?), or the lack of real peace negotiations. There are thousands of issues, and there is no real time to discuss them, and frankly the views will always differ.
"PEACE propaganda machine created such an image of the alliance that they are Holy Mary."
That is pure bullshit. If you pardon me the vulgarity, for which I will surely be reported, but nowhere has PEACE propaganda said that we are sinless and holy and whatnot. But your propaganda has portrayed PEACE as warmongering imperialists who eat innocent Canadian babies and make homless the surely guileless theocrats. Now that is what made me write this article.
Leandros: But some people think that Greece should not be attacked, since they didnt do anything wrong to PEACE.
Question is: which part will be the stronger?
well, PEACE GC do have a cool name for alliance 🙂
and for the other side, they should "man up" and get organizized. it's ok to do propaganda, it's ok to lie, but don't bitchaboutit. maybe all of the "neutrals" in this game will go your way, and yes it's always more fun to fight for the underdog.
anyways, who knows what will happen...
and for the sake of "moral high ground":
HA-HA we won! and you suck! 😃
Well, in this world if it would be peace everywhere I think would be quite boring. Who would only push the work button on daily basis? At the beggining you cannot have fun in anything but war... Maybe later some new developments in the game would give terrain for other funny things aswell, but now...? If you are not really interested in business or politics, neither media, than what would you do? Train yourself as a soldier, play training wars with no real consequences and wait the day when a real war will break?
Awesome article with good points.
im bored of all the propaganda now.
Understanding is a three-edged sword. Your side, their side and the truth.
Dnipro...azok is szovetsegesek..