Minimum Wage is a Joke
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by Crock Industries
Congress has been debating raising minimum wage, and are now voting on raising the wage to $3.30. I see this minimum wage as a joke. I we are to look at current market offerings for level 1 jobs, the highest is $15 (way to high) and the 10th highest is $13. Lets look at what government tax revenue from these wage’s would be.
$3.30 at a tax rate of 5% is $0.165
$13 at a tax rate of 5% is $0.65
Not a substantial sum in either case, you are saying to self, right? Not true!
The only reason our congress sets such a low minimum wage is appease the private slave pits. When an organization such as the TCO or the CAF’s SPP program pay their workers $3.30 they are avoiding income tax.
For example I’m a level 11 worker and as such should be paying $1 of income tax on my $20 salary. However as a CAF member I will have to serve one week out of 4 in SPP slave pits. While I’m in my rotation of seven days in the slave pits I will only pay $0.115 tax’s instead of $7. Now do the math for how many CAF, TCO, and political Slave Pits exist in eCanada, and how many workers they employ per day.
With all the talk of getting Canadian dollars off the markets and into the government coffers for the purpose of raising our currency’s value, raising minimum wage to $10 an hour is by far the easiest. Lets shut down these slave pits, or at least make their employee’s pay true tax’s on their skill level.
I know CAF members will argue that the SPP program is a matter of national defense and I do some what agree. However most members of the regulars can afford to pay for their own 50% training booster . Rangers on the other hand are typically young citizens and do not have the means to pay for this booster them selves. I say let the government, through increased revenue, pay for Rangers training and only Rangers training.
Come on Canadians, message your representative in congress and tell them “I’m tired of paying full tax’s while select few avoid Tax’s”. Stand up for yourselves Canada and stop getting ripped off!
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Should of told me this in my "question to Canada", maybe it wouldn't have happend!
Forget that noise!
"Minimum Wage is a Joke"
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A minimum wage of $13 is ridiculous. This is going to eliminate low level jobs when the market drops and the market is starting to drop by the way.
About two weeks ago, only level 4+ employees made a profit at a wage of $13, this change will eliminate jobs.
The people supporting this motion will get "special attention" at the next congress election.
Not everything is a slave pit. For example, I'm trying something out called a 'work-swap.'
I'm working in the company of a new player at minimum wage, and he works at mine for minimum wage. This allows both of us to help each other out, but the new player gets the greater benefit from my increased productivity.
Upping the minimum wage will only harm initiatives like this since.
Upping the minimum wage will hurt the new player more than it will help government revenues.
Level 1 jobs will be the first to go. Then Level 2, and so on. We saw this in V1 but it wasn't an issue because the Ministry of Industries offered these players jobs and even though they lost money, the government covered the losses, to the tune of $600,000 over 12 months.
We don't have $600,000 to burn now.
worrying about level one workers is not the issue here. The issue is the higher level workers who are being compensaited in other ways thus avoiding paying full income taxes on what they produce.
Crock, where is the ethical imperative to pay higher taxes?
It makes sense if you tax the highest earners and pool that money to share with people in need. This is how Canada functions as a socialist democracy in RL.
Here, there are no social programs to speak of, only funding for TCO and CAF, plus Gold for MPPs.
Please explain why what I produce is morally, ethically, legally, game mechanic-ishly required to pay for funding to TCO and the CAF? I fight and do damage for the country all at my own expense, in fact I give up fights to fund MY OWN food and weapons for those fights.
People confuse RL taxes and RL military with this game. In real life, people can only be a soldier, a worker, a business owner, or a mother, or a young child not able to work. Here, we are ALL equal, except in how we receive funds and how we develop our skills.
All you are doing with taxes is shifting my skill gain away from me and putting it towards those in the CAF and TCO. I call that unfair.
The real difference comes in a case like Italy last month. Italy was almost wiped out and made a push to RW all it's zones back in 24 hrs. CAF was very poor because I had all their money tied up kickstarting the new budget. TCO picked up at my request and moved en masse to Italy and the RW effort was successful. The average person doesn't do that in any organized fashion.
However this is a reason to keep min wages low to shift funding away from the gov't and to let slave pits/SPP do what they do.
Kilgore's proposals are just plain stupid in the grander scheme of things.
Plugson we do have social programs in eCanada, or at least we did. What has happened to Health Canada? Ministry of Industries? (I'm aware of the citizen B thing, but it was very good for a long time and could be again)
See Aeriala, here's a problem I have right now. Why is it that we will let the national military become as you put it "poor" while we still fund TCO, a group that have professed loudly and publicly on numerous occasions that they don't need government funds. If there is ever a problem funding our public, national military (the CAF), money should be immediately diverted from TCO to the CAF. We have no obligation to fund a private group at the expense of our government funded military. It seems that once again, we get to see a minority group dictate what we are and are not allowed to do in this country.
Who said they were poor. I said I had all their funding tied up. They gave it to me to use after the thefts. The only reason the CAF was poor on those couple days was because I had borrowed most of their funds to bail the gov't out. You're making facts by misreading information again.
"Plugson we do have social programs in eCanada, or at least we did. What has happened to Health Canada? Ministry of Industries?"
Crock, that never answered the major part of my question where I asked someone to prove why paying higher taxes is the right thing to do. I suppose there is a logical reason for it, but I have not heard it.
Besides, you only proved my point. Those programs are gone. No Health Canada or Min. of Industries. Perhaps they were inefficient or perhaps it was too much volunteer work to keep them going. Whatever the case, the only valuable thing the average citizen gets out of taxes is funding for MPPs. MPPs represent a rather small percentage of expenditure for the taxes collected.
Lavis has begun a private organization to help support developing and independent players. Perhaps he deserves some funding, too.
Most citizens in Canada do not benefit from the funds given to CAF because they do not belong to CAF. Instead, they fund their own fights, both weapons and food. Why should that player have to fund the CAF and themself?
Having low taxes enables newer citizens to spend their earnings on food and weapons to increase their experience faster.
Having a low minimum wage prevents market fluctuations from destroying our economy. If the minimum wage was 10CAD, then food prices would adjust accordingly. While at brief glance, higher prices of goods may seem beneficial to company owners, operating costs rise equally, minimalizing profit.
If you want a RL example, think of how labour unions have priced themselves out of a job in many developed nations. If minimum wage was higher, many company owners would stop hiring new workers and only work as managers, meaning that supply would drop, new citizens would be jobless and unable to afford food, and prices would increase dramatically. It would destroy the economy.
I'm still waiting for an answer, Crosby.
High taxes lead to self-interested power games to serve narrow interests.
Low taxes leads to more self-funding and the need and means for private philanthropy (see Knight, Lavis http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/citizens-get-your-supply-here--1676954/1/20)
One divides the community and the other builds it up.