Likud: For a New Future Together - הליכוד: לקראת עתיד חדש ביחד
Jeff Sullivan
😨FOR A NEW FUTURE TOGETHER - הליכוד: לקראת עתיד חדש ביחד
“Every new beginning comes from some other beginning's end.”
- Seneca
The Likud Party has a great legacy in Israel's turbulent history. It was the second legitimate political party to be created in Israel, and by far the most organized in its day and was consequently widely successful. Although the party name had to be resurrected, the legacy that was left by its original incarnation helped shape the early political climate of Israel.
The Likud Party is above-all a party dedicated upon two basic ideas- unity and good government.
The recent history of our country has constantly been plagued with the "great divide" between English and Hebrew, Jew and non-Jew. Alas, there has not really been much debate, and aggressive generalization and ignorance. To some, despite the good intentions or usefulness of a citizen, he is immediately pegged as a foreigner, and obviously has selfish or evil motives. I think someone who was truly objective could see we have had many non-Jew, non-Hebrew players contribute greatly to the community, and many who continue to do so who should not be quickly compared to the nomads and power-hungry opportunists who float freely through small countries such as ours.
However, the interests of Hebrew speaking players of the game until recently have been completely ignored and rudely so by the majority of the English speaking community. There certainly would not be the hatred and inability to work together between different backgrounds within Israel if the majority of original English speaking community cared or respected the interests of the Hebrew community. I think, unfortunately even today that this legacy lives on in a very meaningful way.
Indeed, our history has been fraught with deep division, and none deeper than what we had experienced in the months of August and September of 2010. The "great divide" that we have faced often in our history was in this period solidified stubbornly into two different camps. The result was daily animosity that drew the government and indeed, the country, to a halt with the media filled with vitriol and no desire for cooperation on any side.
Our Party will be at the forefront in changing the norms of this toxic situation and will propose a third way. We understand what issues we face together, and we understand how to make this country work again, and how to be strong and united moving forward together promoting the following principles:
- The Likud Party understands that English is not an official language of RL Israel and will ensure that every Hebrew speaking citizen has a voice in government and will champion 100% integration of the Hebrew language in our community on a daily basis. It is time for someone to end the isolation and we will do it.
- The Likud Party will be a completely bilingual political party, which includes and welcomes citizens from every background who believes in our mission and who wants to make this country better. Indeed, we will have no borders and no ethnicity in our party, simply a coalition of dedicated players who wants to make this country better without concern what is on their RL passport. It is time to stop worrying about "us vs them" and concentrate on good government, and we will do it.
- The Likud Party will be a visionary party, a party always looking at bold solutions to make Israel better. We will be the party that stands for something and is concerned above-all with good government and strong leadership, plotting a new course together. We will not be a collection of people simply interested in governing for the sake of it and we will not be a collection of people looking simply to oppose one side or another of "the great divide".
- The Likud Party will be about results in forwarding our agenda working with every party to reach out and cooperate to forward policy objectives, regardless of any other factor, and not simply view them as evil adversaries based on preconceived notions. We understand that we will not always agree with other parties, maybe even most of the time, but it is the solemn duty of all those elected to represent to serve this great country to do all they can to forward the interests of their constituents. Likud will take this duty seriously in bridging gaps and promoting unity. It is far easy to get nothing done and blame it on someone else rather than oneself, and we have seen it too often here.
Today there is much uncertainty, much despair and much hatred. While some may be discouraged, and rightfully so given the state of our country today, I believe that this is just the beginning. We have a wonderful opportunity to start fresh and begin the next chapter; to begin something great. It all starts with you, with all of us, today.
Jeff Sullivan
Likud Party President
הליכוד יש מורשת גדולה בהיסטוריה הסוערת של מדינת ישראל. זה היה הצד השני פוליטי לגיטימי להיות שנוצר בישראל, ועל ידי רחוק המאורגנת ביותר היום שלה היה מוצלח ולכן נרחב. למרות השם המפלגה חייבת להיות לתחייה, מורשת שנותר ידי בגלגול המקורי שלה עזר לעצב את האקלים הפוליטי מוקדם של ישראל.
הליכוד הוא מעל כל מפלגה מסור על שתי אחדות, רעיונות בסיסיים ממשלה טוב.
ההיסטוריה האחרונה של המדינה שלנו יש כל הזמן היה מוטרד "לחלק גדול" בין עברית ואנגלית, יהודי ולא יהודי. למרבה הצער, לא היה באמת דיון הרבה, ואת ההכללה אגרסיבי ובורות. עד כמה, למרות הכוונות הטובות או השימושיות של אזרח, הוא pegged מיד כזר, והיה ברור לו מניעים אנוכיים או רעים. אני חושב שמישהו שהיה באמת אובייקטיבי יכול היה לראות היו לנו הרבה שאינו יהודי, שחקנים שאינם עברית לתרום רבות לקהילה, ועוד רבים אשר ימשיכו לעשות כך שלא צריך להיות לעומת במהירות הנוודים לבין אופורטוניסטים תאבי כוח אשר לצוף בחופשיות דרך מדינות קטנות כמו שלנו.
עם זאת, את האינטרסים של דוברי עברית השחקנים של המשחק עד לאחרונה לא זכו להתייחסות לחלוטין בגסות כל כך על ידי רוב הקהילה דוברי אנגלית. יש בוודאי לא תהיה שנאה וחוסר היכולת לעבוד יחד בין מרקעים שונים בתוך ישראל, אם כי מרבית הקהיליה המקורי דוברי אנגלית אכפת או לכבד את האינטרסים של הקהילה עברית. אני חושב, למרבה הצער, גם כיום כי מורשת זו על חייהם באופן משמעותי מאוד.
ואכן, ההיסטוריה שלנו כבר טומנת בחובה חלוקת עמוק, ועל אף עמוק יותר ממה שחווינו בחודשים אוגוסט וספטמבר 2010. "הפער הגדול" שיש לנו מתמודד לעתים קרובות בהיסטוריה שלנו היתה בתקופה זו ביססה בעקשנות לשני מחנות שונים. התוצאה היתה עוינות היומי שמשך את הממשלה ואכן, את הארץ, עד שנעצרה עם התקשורת מלאים חומצה גופרתית ו שום רצון לשיתוף פעולה מצד כל.
המפלגה שלנו תהיה בחזית לשנות את הנורמות של המצב הזה רעילים יציע דרך שלישית. אנחנו מבינים מה אנחנו נושאים פנים יחד, ואנחנו מבינים איך לעשות את העבודה הזאת שוב המדינה, וכיצד להיות חזקים ומאוחדים זז קדימה יחד לקדם את העקרונות הבאים:
- הליכוד מבין אנגלית היא לא שפה רשמית של RL ישראל תבטיח שכל אזרח דובר עברית יש לו קול של הממשלה יהיה שילוב אלוף 100% של השפה עברית בקהילה שלנו על בסיס יומי. הגיע הזמן שמישהו לשים קץ לבידודה ואנחנו נעשה את זה.
- הליכוד תהיה מפלגה דו לשוני לחלוטין, הכולל והוא מברך אזרחים מרקע כל מי שמאמין המשימה שלנו שרוצה להפוך את המדינה הזו טובה יותר. אכן, יהיה לנו שום גבולות ואין לאום במפלגה שלנו, פשוט קואליציה של שחקנים מסורים שרוצה להפוך את המדינה הזו טובה יותר ללא חשש מה על הדרכון RL שלהם. זה הזמן להפסיק לדאוג "לנו לעומת אותם" ולהתרכז הממשלה טובה, ואנחנו נעשה את זה.
- הליכוד תהיה מפלגה חזון, מפלגה תמיד מסתכל פתרונות נועזים כדי להפוך את ישראל טוב יותר. אנחנו נהיה מפלגה המפיצה משהו, והוא מודאג מעל כולם עם ממשלת טוב מנהיגות חזקה, התוויית מסלול חדש ביחד. אנחנו לא יהיה אוסף של אנשים המעוניינים פשוט בשלטון למען אותו ואנחנו לא יהיה אוסף של אנשים מחפשים פשוט להתנגד צד אחד או אחר של "לחלק את הגדול".
- הליכוד יהיה על תוצאות סדר שילוח שלנו לעבוד עם כל מפלגה כדי להושיט יד ולשתף פעולה כדי לקדם מטרות מדיניות, ללא כל גורם אחר, ולא רק להציג אותם כיריבים הרע מבוסס על דעות קדומות. אנו מבינים כי אנו לא תמיד מסכים עם מפלגות אחרות, אולי אפילו רוב הזמן, אבל זה חובה חגיגית של כל מי שנבחר לייצג לשרת את המדינה הזו גדולה לעשות כל מה שהם יכולים להעביר את האינטרסים של בוחריהם. הליכוד ייקח את זה ברצינות חובה לגשר על פערים וקידום אחדות. קל הרבה כדי לקבל דבר נעשה להאשים אותו על מישהו אחר ולא את עצמו, וגם ראינו את זה לעתים קרובות מדי כאן.
כיום קיימת אי ודאות רבה, הייאוש הרבה הרבה שנאה. בעוד שכמה עשויים להיות מיואש, ובהתחשב ובצדק המדינה של המדינה שלנו היום, אני מאמין שזו רק ההתחלה. יש לנו הזדמנות נפלאה לפתוח דף חדש ולהתחיל את הפרק הבא; להתחיל משהו גדול. הכל מתחיל איתך, עם כל אחד מאיתנו, היום.
Jeff Sullivan
Likud Party President
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o7 indeed
Voted.
Nice, but it sounds familiar: http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/running-for-party-president1-1542656/1/20
Also I think I3 got a lot of this too.
Glad you support the same things we do though. 🙂
hoss, we want the same thing. this im sure. but our paths are somehow got disconnected through technical issues and vices such as pride and lack of basic humane understanding.
הוס אנחנו רוצים כולנו את אותו הדבר, בזה אני בטוח, אבל איכשהו הדרכים שלנו התנתקו דרך כל מיני סיבות טכניות ופגמים אישיים כגון גאוות יתר וחוסר כבוד להבנה אנושית.
is the divide really that great? i never notice anything
Josh: These are general guiding principles; a mission statement if you will. I think in the coming days and weeks with more material and an actual platform you will see the differences a lot more plainly. I agree though, it is nice that we agree, at least in principle. I have been encouraged, until recently...
ג 'וש: אלו הם כללי עקרונות מנחים: הצהרת כוונות, אם תרצו. אני חושב בימים ובשבועות הקרובים עם החומר יותר פלטפורמה בפועל אתה תראה את ההבדלים הרבה יותר בבירור. אני מסכים אם כי, זה נחמד שאנחנו מסכימים, לפחות ברמה העקרונית. אני כבר מעודד, עד לא מזמן ...
Flint I feel the same way. To me this seems like a political ploy to gain votes for recycled politicians by scaring eIsraelis to believe there is some big crises or meltdown.
I actually agree with Flint. I didn't notice any "fight" until just today after PK decided to try and move the official forums (again). Up until that things were going well, people were discussing things like rational adults, and our country was moving forward.
This "fight" talk seems to be a scare tactic in order to make something out of nothing. We should be better than this and be able to accomplish good things without having to "dig up" old news.
If you don't think August and September were the worst months for unity that this country has ever experienced, I don't know what to tell you. If this current version of Israel with a skeleton crew of active citizens and few assets or networth is not the worst overall situation that you have ever seen. I don't know what to tell you. It sounds to me a President who leads a country that is in a very difficult position is trying to pretend that everything is ok and there is nothing to see here. I think we can do better.
אם אתה לא חושב אוגוסט וספטמבר היו חודשים הגרוע לאחדות כי הארץ הזאת חוותה פעם, אני לא יודע מה להגיד לך. אם זו הגרסה הנוכחית של ישראל עם הצוות שלד של אזרחים פעילים ונכסים אחדים או הערך הנקי אינו המצב הכללי הגרוע ביותר שראית אי פעם, אני לא יודע מה להגיד לך. זה נשמע לי הנשיא שמנהיג מדינה נמצאת במצב קשה מאוד הוא מנסה להעמיד פנים שהכל בסדר ואין מה לראות כאן. אני חושב שאנחנו יכולים לעשות יותר טוב.
Josh: Making every post you make on erep, every article you post in forums, every argument you have on IRC about PK is getting tiresome. Is that all you have? Do you have no arguments about how to make this country better? What to do to move it forward, or do you really think "PK is the boogey man" is a productive argument for everything?
Any semblance of "everything is ok, let's sweep things under the rug, nothing to see here" mantra has unraveled before my eyes these last few days. You need to get over this obsession you have for PK and continue to do what you do best for Israel.
Was i in power September and August? Ive said plenty of times eIsrael is in a hard position but weve worked through it. A skeleton crew of active citizens? We are finally becoming active again thanks to the hard work of myself and many other key individuals. What have you done? You just came back formed a new party and started to scare monger with your friends in an attempt to gain power while the rest of us worked our asses of to actually fix the problems and offer viable solutions without political motives in mind. Everything Ive done has not been sound political moves but ive done them to ensure the longevity and stability of this country not to gain political support form some old boys network.
Few Assets or net worth? Be more vague next time please.
Jeff I think you are making things up. We have 33/39 Knesset members on the forum (34/40 if you count Aeroner). People are sick of fighting and want to work together for eIsrael. Yes there are different sides and yes people will disagree. That is life.
But your attempts at scaring people is just silly. You guys want to bring up the old divide instead of working together, and I think that is a backwards approach and not what eIsrael needs right now.
Josh: Mostly read my reply to Gavin.
Though: "People are sick of fighting" then knuckles come flying in a thread simply made to introduce my party with a mission that generally speaking is much similar to your own.
I think on the unity side, the situation has improved from a month ago. Why wouldn't it? One side of the argument left en masse. If you think this is close to the best we can do, then I think your head is in the sand.
I like how your tone completely changes to innocent victim as soon as you realize your wrong. People can see right through the lies and deceit. Who are you trying to fool?
Look Im going to give you some advice Jeff..Dont Let PK bring you and your party down. You cannot afford to support and defend his self destructive ego trip. If you genuinely have good intentions at heart then great but the actions of some of your senior members recently does not reflect that at all.
Good luck to your party but again scare and fear mongering will get us nowhere.
Jeff: I think you are trying to scare people. The point is simple. You wish to draw on the "fight" as you put it instead of focus on actual issues at hand. Like I said, before PK decided to try and move the forum today there was no large scale fight.
I have nothing against you, and I look forward towards seeing the actual party ideals of Likud when you publish them. I am simply making an observation from my view on your article. There are no "ad hominem" (your favorite "big" word) coming from me. I am pointing out my opinion regarding your views on this "fight".
Innocent victim? My tone has not changed at all and I certainly don't think I'm wrong. Like I say, I am genuinely surprised how our humble mission has suddenly turned into an attack from all sides. I guess this "unity and working together" stuff is really hot button political stuff : S
And spare me your PK boogey man talk. We will be here as a willing partner to anyone who wants to work, but if all you have is attacking our party based on personal attacks, we don't have anything to talk about.
Boogey man talk? hes got into fights and insulted every member of my cabinet and government. Hes done nothing while he was in office except beg for ludicrous sums of money to fund his spy fantasies while I had to do his job all while he tried to round up support against me.
he is a member of your party and our actively defending him so you are now responsible for his actions.
Stop making it out to seem im against your party. Im against a member of your party who is starting trouble and the fear and scare mongering that seems to have been perfectly timed to when PK started trouble.
Josh: This is becoming a circular argument. It is not fear at all that is my point, it's about a different way. You just don't seem to be getting it, or you think you will score some kind of points trying to portray it as such.
BTW: I have a lot of favorite "big words". I guess a guy can't have a good vocabulary either. "Burn Likud burn, Jeff likes to use big words!" : P
Jeff: Almost all of our arguments are "circular". As I said, I am pointed out what I see from my own view. I do not claim I am right 100% of the time and I have no problem with you trying to convince me (if you do try). This is called a "discussion" and it is good.
Please stop taking these comments personally. You used "ad hominen" twice in consecutive posts - have some humor. And do not resort to mud-slinging (ie "you will score some points..."). Rise above that Jeff.
Also since when have English Speakers been the majority in eIsrael and the Hebrew speakers a oppressed minority? The Sababa Shalom parties have ruled eIsrael forever. Another point of fear and scare mongering bringing up old arguments and hatred in an attempt to rally and gain support from FXP.
Josh: I am not offended, I promise : )
Gavin: You're just proving my point. Why is fxp not integrated into Israeli society, why do they largely shun the media and our forums? Yes because hebrew dominates us that's why *rolls eyes* Why did you bring up fxp at all? Oh yes, unity indeed, or are fxp also evil?
You deny and manipulate facts. If you honestly believe Hebrew speakers are an oppressed minority in eIsrael you dont know anything about eIsrael and are out of touch with reality. If 34 of 39 Kms are signed on the forums aswell as most of the Hebrew community how is that Boycotting it? The Forums primary language is in hebrew and everything is Bilingual yet you say I have been neglecting their needs? Actually I think you know more then anyone that the Hebrew Population controls the outcomes of elections and thats why your doing all this to gain votes despite the fact theres been no oppression and the forums are completely bilingual. Theyve always Used FXP and I have nothing against FXP as its a gateway to attract new players. But this isnt about FXP its about FXP its about the national forums VS the old forums (The forums that havent had a post in weeks and even the hebrew speakers done use it)
I'm telling you the way that things are, and you can ignore them to your own detriment. If you believe the Hebrew community, what you call the all powerful majority fully participates in our forums or media, you are wrong. Besides, I did not call the Hebrew community the oppressed minority, I implied the Hebrew community was outside the mainstream community participation which even now, is not the case. I also said in my article, if you read it, that while I understand old grievances and how things got to where they are today, especially in August and September. It is time for us to move on, become united and move on. I don't think we have done that and that a there is a better way. That is me forwarding the vision of the party and reaching out to all people. If you want to twist it into scare tactics, and ad hominem attacks, go ahead. That is politics I guess, but it doesn't make your representation of my words and the vision of our party any more accurate.
So you believe the way to move forward is to jeopardize the future of the country by moving forums just because PK didnt get 100 gold as he requested?
Also 3rd paragraph in your article u say English Speakers are a majority but thats wrong they make up less then 30% of the country. Ik u just came back to eIsrael but unless you get your facts straight theres no point in having an argument with you.
I know you're just ignoring my arguments now. The English community has always in the country dominated the community media and the forums. They have been varying percentages of the population, but the fact is this is the case. They do to this day. You are telling me nothing I don't know and I don't dispute it, but it's not my argument.
I'm not looking to jeopardize the future of the country at all, I want to make it stronger, and that is the message of my party. Your message is to attack attack attack my party and make the argument about PK and whatever you can besides what I'm actually saying.
Rhein and Josh can atest to the fact that I have been more than willing to work together here every step of the way and I've tried my best to do so. We don't see eye to eye on some things, we never can on all things. We should leave it at that. But no, this has become something greater, and that's fine, I'm here to stay and so is my party and we'll forward our vision no matter how many comments pop up in our articles misrepresenting our positions and attacking the. All this talk of "tearing the country apart" is dead wrong and completely contrary to the message of this thread. You should look in the mirror though.
Jeff I think you are wrong about the "majority" thing. The English community hasn't been in the majority. In order for you to say that you would have to completely ignore FXP, where many discussions take place between Hebrew speakers. You can't use one forum and then ignore another for statistics. 🙂
You would also be ignoring the facts that attempts are being made so that all government conversations are done so in both languages, that conversations in Hebrew take place on the forum, and that most of us translate our articles into both languages.
הליכוד ללא עברית ? איפה פה הליכוד .
לפי מה שזה נראה, זה מלכד רק צד אחד באוכלוסייה .
אתה יכול בבקשה להבהיר את מה שאמרת?
He said that "Likud" means "Uniting", and this party does not realy units the community.
anyway, voted 🙂
אני תומך בכל מה שהליכוד תומעת בו.
עכשיו הקטע עם הבעיה.
תיישמו את זה.
gavin really. it is funny how you attack anyone just to get your hopes up.
אנשים תשמעו. גאווין מפחד ממפלגה שההנהגה שלה מצוייה ב2 אנשים אחד שהוא מדבר אנגלית ואחד שהוא מדבר עברית.
הוא מפחד מהכח הזה הוא מפחד שכל פעם אנשים כמוני מחליטים בשבילו מה לעשות
Bar Tur: I am not a native Hebrew speaker it is true. We have many native Hebrew speakers in our party though and will continue to do so. They will have a voice the same as anyone in our party. The sense of "uniting" we want to encourage is looking past what someone's native language is and getting down to the business of government while having an atmosphere all members feel welcome. I hope despite all the senseless attacks in this thread you keep an open mind.
בר טור: אני לא דובר עברית כשפת אם זה נכון. יש לנו הרבה דוברי עברית כשפת אם במפלגה שלנו אף וימשיך לעשות כך. יהיה להם קול זהה לאף אחד במפלגה שלנו. התחושה של "איחוד" אנחנו רוצים לעודד מחפש העבר מה שפת האם של מישהו הוא מקבל עד העסק של הממשלה בזמן שיש אווירה כל חברי להרגיש רצוי. אני מקווה שלמרות כל ההתקפות חסרת פתיל זה לך לשמור על ראש פתוח.
Conclusion: we dont have a problem, we launch an article about a non excisting problem. We hope that the other politicians bite the article, and there you have it..... a re-made problem.
Who wins; leaders of Likud...
Do people want to vote for these sort of people..?
Jeff, I didn't go "against you", I acttualy support you.
I've only translated what he said 🙂
"Conclusion: we dont have a problem, we launch an article about a non excisting problem. We hope that the other politicians bite the article, and there you have it..... a re-made problem.
Who wins; leaders of Likud...
Do people want to vote for these sort of people..? "
Said like a true old wise man.
Powertoys: I respectfully disagree. Look at the amount of productive members of our country who left in the last month, or in the last week...I think that there is a better way than the status quo and that we definitely are at one of the most challenging times that we have faced since Turkish independence.
It will be up to the voters to decide if there are no problems as Gavin suggests, or that there is a better way.
Gavin, Hoss...a word, if I may.
Are you familiar with the phrase, "Maybe the cigar is really just a cigar?" You talk about how this is an article to entice fear...yet I see no fear tactics. This isn't saying, "vote for us or everything will go downhill". This is saying, "we have problems that we need to work on, together."
I find it very ironic that an article that talks a positive message is being flooded with irrational hate. If it was really a dead issue...then why bring it up? Don't fight for the sake of fighting.