labourtherapy
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by lin0leum
aloha clicking masses,
in preparations for the international commune, there is q4 helis factory running already with open spots and minimum wage.
the labourtherapy cooperative let labourers/laboureresses have no less than full product of theirs. 12 q4 weapons, as belgium is at 20% bonus.
all u need is apply for the job at lin0leum and bring ur own raw materials with u. 480 wrms per click (day).
by working in the cooperative u avoid the markets, thus avoid the taxes. another upside is that no greedy employer is profiteering of ur labour. what u work is what u get literally. no profits for the capitalist, no revenues for the state.
the labourtherapy co-op is not limited to lcc workers. any citizen of clicking class can come. feel free to ask for further info.
in equality
lin0leum
one more step closer to abolish perverted greedy capitalist relations in our society.
one more step towards total labour liberation.
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12 weapons produced = aound 17.75 each, 213 BEF
480 Raws required 0.07 each = 33.6 (and you can't donate raws, so how are these going to get to the factory owner?)
So the daily value of working there is about 180 BEF
A job in the eUSA pays 255 after taxes.
So not only are communists unaware of how a free market works, they are apparently bad at maths.
How do you bring your own raw materials?
Wim and lin failed again...
goopy stop ur lame propaganda. in usa with 100% bonus and q6 factories ur work is worth 500usd, if u wanna do ur bourgeois math. in usa the capitalists r taking half of workers money. get real. labourtherapy operates in 20% and q4 environment and workers will get exactly what they produce.
there is a way to move raws from one player to another. that's okay, no1 is perfect.
Market wage is currently at 210 BEF with 1% taxes. A worker would get 207,90 BEF from working for standard wage in eBelgium. Proposing people to get less then market wage, robbing the state of minimal tax revenue and trying to sell it as a better option ??? A Q4 company is not profitable for those "greedy employers" either. This is a proposal where someone forgot to check the benefits for the worker and results in worse conditions then what workers could get on the free market.
And to correct Goopy's math, a Q4 weapon without taxes is worth exactly 15.36 BEF, so 12 would (after paying for raws) be worth roughly 150 BEF, 25% less then what you would get in market wage.
Yes Wim, the 17 Q6 deal is a nice one and indeed one that can not be offered in eBelgium. Furthermore, it is not the subject of this article. This article was clearly intended to offer people a job in eBelgium at less then standard wage pretending it to be better. The LCC robbing the poor. How many multies are still needed to upgrade it to a Q5 factory Wim ?
I tink yo r confuzed an needs to goes bak to ur basements
Damn, you know how hard it is to type like Wim in the era of autocorrect and spell check? On a glass keyboard tablet I spent more time un-correcting than typing.
Should give Wim and Lino an award for creating a new dialect and coding it into their computers.
Wim, I'm just a citizen, I'm not in congress and not part of the government. You are a multi-user temporarily banned for it as shown in game, no point in denying it.
I have never taken a loan and never used tax money for upgrades. If the Q4 company will be upgraded soon, why post an article before ? Is it to avoid people getting the best deal possible ? This seems to be what the LCC is about, avoiding people to take advantage of everything honest people have to offer.
if a full occupied (5 slots) q4 company with 20% bonus produces 60 weapons a day and each worker gets 12 q4 weapons a day, where is the stealing? what exactly is stolen from the workers?
the market wage of 210bef is not for working in q4 company. so stop comparing uncomparable. lcc doesn't have q6, because lcc doesn't leach from the state treasury as some other individuals shamelessly do.
You're also not doing your minions a favor by trashing the forum, where they could get additional supplies every day for a single post. Oh well, communism always keeps the little guy poor as dirt IRL and in game apparently.
What was the name of that happy, productive communist nation? Keep thinking, I'll wait. 😛
Next up from the LCC.... The Great Leap Forward!
lin0leum show me who owns a Q6 factory. The market wage of 210 BEF is the market wage. There is no such thing as working for a x type company. You work for an employer, period. What plant he assigns your work to is no longer a part of the game the worker has any control over. By pretending it's better to work for you for less money you're effectively stealing 50 BEF a day from the poor.
For all we know you're assigning these people in your Q6 factory you pretend you don't own just to be able to get cheaper workforce.
I see two sides that are treating each other in exactly the same bad way and are surprised the other side doesn't listen..
Good luck to all of you cause you'll need it!
o7
AAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAH.
Nicely said, GoopyPants.
i'm not surprised. nohjis the prophet doesn't need to listen, for he see thru players' land, inventory and beyond.
avegan i see serious (yet) reformism going on in hope. class consensus is what u want?
what's the luck? no need. we need conscious clickers.
if in a very odd case a worker want to suck that 50 more befen from the market, s/he can try to sell them 12 weapons there.
I will not talk about comments
Nice article lin0leum, i hope you will have a good production.
lin0leum the worth of 12 Q4 weapons after paying for the raws yourself is exactly 150.72 BEF on the market if you're smart enough to sell to the bot. If you encourage the producer to convince a third party to pay more for a Q4 weapon you can hardly call yourself communist, in that case you're a capitalist, trying to make profit at the expense of other people. A conscious clicker will take a job offer at 210 BEF on the job market rather then getting clouded by false promises of better gains.
@Wim, what people? All I see is two headless chicken speaking in favor of the commune without understanding how the economy works. Where are your other eBE members other than Wim and Lin0. We do not need your non-eBE minions from Sweden or France to write vote or support. In the end, the LCC and Redbro is a joke, a fraud. Just a few opportunistic people who wants to consolidate power and wealth for themselves. Total sellouts and nothing more...
No Wim, I'm not a "GOV". I actually have nothing to object against joining a collective where people get the 17 Q6 tanks you talked about. What I fight here is that you two keep pretending a collective industry in a Q4 or a Q5 is the better alternative to a wage of 210 BEF when it's wrong because you forgot to count and look after the best interest of others. Your frauds inspired by ideological misconceptions and lack of understanding of the game mechanics need to be countered by the truth.
nohjis u haven't read the article. i encourage pple to avoid markets. u try to put weird stuff in me mouth.
a careless profitseeking clicker most probably will work in q5+ for 210bef than in q4 for 12q4wpns. but don't just pretend there is no difference in Qs, when it comes to salary.
This whole discussion is just a non-sense... it can be resumed in just a few words :
- people can get a better "wage" elsewhere and LCC is not competitive in the market.
- LCC doesn't steal anybody as it gives the whole production of its factory to the workers.
All of you... why do you need to talk so much ?
GoopyPants there is a way to transfer raw materias from one player to another... its called market!!! (or black market for some people 😛) VOTED!!
lin0leum that last comment actually makes me laugh. In your article you are presenting this scheme as a great opportunity to get better then what evil capitalists are offering. It is not better to avoid marginal taxes of 2,10 BEF or avoid capitalists making marginal profits in this case (16,80 BEF versus the 208,90 BEF the worker gets, not to mention that Q6 factory actually cost 200+ in Gold so the employer is more likely at a greater loss overall then the worker can ever be)
And Wim if you would do the same with a Q6 plant in eBelgium I would not object. I object to the abuse of ideology to diminue what others can actually get through legal means and with protection of the game mechanics.
I've had it with the pathetic dishonest and dictatorial attitude you show Wim. For the third time, I'm not a part of the government. Get your facts straight. Tough cookie being forced to eat a piece of your own cake ?
Well, it's difficult to make an opinion because everyone fights with number and provocation.
If you have the truth, so show us clearly!
Like people, I need true mathematic to make my opinion. Stop yelling, just show us the findings.
Shotan:
12 Q4 weapons worth 15.36 BEF each without taxes on the open market: 184.32 BEF - 33.60 BEF cost of 480 raw materials = 150,72 BEF for the worker.
Market wage: 210 BEF of wich 2,10 BEF (1😵 taxes or 208,90 BEF for the worker.
Those are the maths.
Only a fool would work for 12 Q4s in Belgium when he could make more and not have to donate raws just by switching employers. I don't think the LCC elite is profiting, I just think they're clueless.
No more response? Even Wim can't argue with mathematics I suppose 😛
Gibberish, players don't always act to optimize, otherwise eBelgium would have 0 citizen (and 0 worker).
Read the article once again : I don't think they claimed in it that it was the best bargain possible, but they argued about their "philosophy" ("avoid markets", "avoid taxes", ...). That's their point. And people interested in their point of view and agreeing could go work for them. That's it. What's wrong with that ?
Jeiry, the application of their ideology is wrong in this case as it does not benefit the person with a Q4 company, the worker or the state. If nobody gains something, it's a bad solution. I can accept different views as long as someone is benefiting from it.
What is the point of avoiding taxes and avoiding markets ? Is it to have as a result a better situation for the worker or is the goal to harm the state and the 500 other citizens of eBelgium ?
u sum it up pretty well jeiry. if lcc play in pure game-mechanist mode and want to make use of every single game rule, it wouldn't definitely work in belgium.
nohjis basically say its better to work for 90% of workers production while the part is given away to the idle company owner, than work and get 100% of workers production while FEEDING NO LEECH (and avoinding the taxation aswell)
lin0leum, you work in the environment you live in and apply a practical ideology. So please, answer the question: What is the point of avoiding taxes and avoiding markets ? Is it to have as a result a better situation for the worker or is the goal to harm the state and the other citizens of eBelgium ?
So the LCC is asking their members to make about 50 BEF less each day to avoid 3 BEF in taxes? Brilliant! Like I said.... The Great Leap Forward 😛
exclusively for nohjis: the point of avoiding markets is to have better situation for the workers and to not support the authoritarian government.
Wim Vercauteren : I know you want to improve the quality for workers but, i'm sorry, i don't understand how.
I need some mathematics to make my opinion.
Nohjis gave me an operation, it's your turn to light my mind.