Kordak fired as VP
konnes
Dear readers,
As you might have already heard, the president has fired Kordak as VP. Because of this, I decided to interview Kordak again, together with our current CP, Fhaemita The Apostate.
Interview with Kordak
1. Do you think you are just fired because of this incident, or is there something else going on between you and Fhaemita?
Well I am not someone of conspiracy theories, so let’s assume that this was based on the incident between me and our MoHA. However in the past there have been some fights between me and Fhaemita, especially when I was president of the Netherlands. When I returned to the Netherlands I offered Fheamita help in his government if he was going to get elected. I offered help in foreign affairs, since I have a lot of international contacts since I was the president of Ireland and Head of Public Relationships of Aurora. I also told Fheamita that I would not start about escalations in the past and I hoped that he would be neutral as well during his term.
2. what were these fights about?
Maybe it is good to clarify, but I don’t want to start about this again really. I will try to write this as neutral as possible. When I was president of the Netherlands we made a deal with Poland. They would keep Northern Netherlands, Western Netherlands and Eastern Netherlands so they would have a double passage to their oil recource. In return we would get Southern Netherlands, Flanders, Brussels and Wallonia and the support of Poland. However when we started the attack we were not the only ones, since the UK attacked Belgium as well. Our attack on Belgium failed, since the president of Poland got impeached. The new president of the Poland was not willing to honour our deal so we were in a difficult situation. It got worse when Germany started to attack us, every time Germany took a region from us Poland took it from Germany. So it was clearly Poland behind this attack, but when I asked German officials they said that they did it to help Belgium against us and that they were asked by Fheamita to attack us. In my eyes that was treason, but Fheamita always denied that it was true. So I don’t know who was the one that was lying.
3. Do you think his decision is validly?
The President can decide who is in his government and who is not, from that point of view it is valid. However the president is clearly missing the point how this began and why I involved our congress.
Our MoHA falsely accused me, the vice president of the Netherlands, and Ninapje of being a multie. Based on that he decided to reject her citizenship request, after he already used the excuse that she was not active enough and that there were no passes left.
So it was our MoHA that openly attacked the vice president of the Netherlands on a public part of the forum. I started a topic in congress to put this under attention of our democratic chosen leaders. Not only to question the MoHA for rejecting a RL active citizen again, but mainly for pointing out that I was not a multie. When someone attacks you in public where everyone can read that you have the right to defend your good name before the congress. What if they read that the vice president is a multie aka cheater?
4. Couldn’t this be solved by a conversation on IRC between the two of you?
I wanted to have a conversation between myself, Ninapje and Odan to solve this issue between the three of us and to prove that we were no multie. However unfortunatly the MoHA clearly didn’t want to solve the matter. I got accused again of being a multie, he said that he could type on two IRC accounts to pretend being someone else.
5. Do you regret your complains against odan?
Not a single word, I had the right to defend myself to the community. Also I had the right to inform congress, since they represent all parties and voices of our country.
6. Is this the end of your demonstration, or do you have plans to solve this in another way?
I would be glad to see the MoHA admitting his faults and to take back his false assumptions. He gets away with this without even a single warning from our president while I was kicked out of the team. The president says he decided this because there was a disturbed relationship between me and the cabinet. However I had no problem with anyone, except Odan for what he accused me of. I was working hard to improve relations with other countries and working on a new plan to join a real alliance with our MoFA.
Because of this answer: 'However I had no problem with anyone', I asked WillemTheConqueror (MoFa), if this is true.
So, Willem, is it true that, besides Odan, Kordak had a good relationship with everyone in the government?
As far as I know he had a good relationship with everyone. I even worked with him in the days, before he got 'fired', on a Foreign Affairs project. So no real problem there.
7. But you can still go on with this plan, you don’t need to bee VP to talk with the MoFA, right?
Sure I wrote this plan together with our MoFA, I really hope that the president will take a good look at it and shows it to congress. I can no longer work directly on the plan now, but if our MoFA ever needs help with anything I will be there to help him!
8. Do you think you have a lot of support from other eNL citizens?
I am not going to start a rebellion for this, I am disappointed that I can no longer directly serve the people of the Netherlands. I hope that others see as well how this started and how poorly our president reacted on this matter. He should have told Odan to remove the false assumption and that I should no longer question Odan’s actions after that. I requested the president to dismiss the MoHA for his actions, but he decided to dismiss his vice president instead. I know that there are enough people who find this questionable.
9. Is there anything else you want to say to the dutch people, or the CP?
I hope our people will keep a close eye on certain figures in our government now, they know what is good and what is not. And I want to wish the president good luck with the rest of his term.
10. you wish the president a good term after all thet happened, aren’t you angry at him?
Of course I am angry at him, but our country needs a real alliance to join this month, before it is too late again. I don’t want to see my country damaged, I just want the best for our country. I hope they will get things done this month that are important, instead of me publishing an article at the end of term about everything they did wrong. If they don’t work properly this month it will also make it difficult for presidents elected in the coming months.
thanks you for this interview, and for being this polite after all that happened
Interview with CP (Fhaemita The Apostate)
1. Did you fire kordak just because of this incident, or is there something else going on between you and Kordak?
Nothing else is going on between Kordak and me, the incident and what transpired afterwards is the role reason for me to come to the decision to fire him from his position as Vice President. I think the incident created an unworkable work relation between him and me and him and the rest of the cabinet especially with the Minister of Home affairs with whom he had this incident. Although he has a good job that far especially helping out Minister of Foreign Affairs Willem The Conqueror in something foreign affairs related I do not believe that a the breach of confidence between him and me in his position as Vice President was sustainable. The vice president is there to support the president in his duties and a vice president attacking one of my ministers and later also attacking me about not being neutral in an article comment because I voted up a comment can hardly be seen as being supportive of the president as he claims he is.
2. do you really think Kordak was the only one who was wrong, or did odan make some mistakes too?
On the matter of the incident, where two fight there are two people guilty I am not saying both are equally wrong but both are wrong in a certain degree. Odan should never have said what he said about Kordak and make the claim that Ninapje is a multi without any facts backing that claim. On the other side Kordak should have known better lose his head on the matter and publicly demand from me to fire my Minister of Home Affairs Odan and later asking the same thing again in congress. This should have been kept a private government matter and not be fought out in public. Doing so is just throwing me under the bus and pulling me and my government trough the mud something a vice president should never do. If he felt (justifiably) grieved he should have come to me on the matter. Duking it out in public makes the government seems divided while the country is already divided enough. A government should outwardly show unity even though internally there might be struggles but this should be discussed and solved internally and not be fought out in in public. .
3. Do you think this is the end of this debate, or do you expect any other resistance?
I do not know, the matter if there will be a Motion of No Confidence against against my Minister of Home Affairs Odan is still a questionable, now that I have fired Kordak I do think that he or others members of congress will be more susceptible to start a Motion of No Confidence against me or even against Odan and one against me as Fostite even suggested. Although technically you can’t start a Motion of No Confidence against me only an impeachment. I hope this won’t happen and ofcourse and I am confidence that such a motion or even an impeachment would not succeed.
4. Do you think everyone supports you in your decision, and if not, why do you think they don't agree with you?
I am sure not everybody will support my decision, you can’t please everybody and you will always have people disagreeing even if it is just for the sake of disagreeing. I am sure members of Revolution et Libertas will not support my decision seeing their stance on immigration and their dislike of Iron and Wine members. SKYJACKED a member and congressman of Revolution et Libertas recently brought up the impeachment of GEN. DE LA REY which was more than three months ago. Some people hold a grudge and have an axe to grind so I do expect people not supporting my decision.
5. Is there anything else you want to say to the dutch people?
I think besides this interview I also made a very long post in congress as a reply to Kordak request to fire Odan, I think I thoroughly explained there my opinion on the matter and my reasoning for not firing Odan. I think the congress post including this interview should be enough for people to understand what happening and why I did what I did. I do not think I have much more to add to this.
Thank you for the interview
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Comments
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"I will try to write this as neutral as possible. "
Sadly it's not and you know it's not. Your government under the leadership of your MoFA van Spijck decided to attack eBelgium. He had personal reasons to attack eBelgium because of his he dislikes certain people in Belgium a lot. The attack on eBE was done under false pretense to eNL congress and was hostile towards eBelgium (how can Poland giveaway eBE regions?). eBE asked eUK for help and eUK attacked eBE and cut off at the pass for eNL so they could not attack eBE. It worked although Kordaks government spend a buttload of money on Mercenaries to stall eUK attack to eNL but eUk was not stalled long enough and eNL could not attack eBE and Kordak government left eNL with a huge debt with Mercenaries. Fact is only reason the attack happend because GPN and co had a majority in eNL, many big names in eNL said they would fight for eBE against eNL because they oppose the attack of eNL on eBE
As for me being behind Germany attacking eNL, you say you are going to be neutral but come with some unsubstantiated comment saying I set them up to it. You have no proof and you know damn well it was Poland because they wanted their regions back. I had nothing to do with it and I think it's strange you keep repeating this even know while it is nothing more then slander.
well i have to say, I asked him to answer the question, and that's what he did. it was not my intention to start another fight between the wo of you..
and kordak also said this: 'So it was clearly Poland behind this attack'
this is not to help Kordak, but to prevent another fight 🙂
Chill out I say where the discussion was about and I say it was Poland too. You should read better before you start a drama again ok? This clearly shows that you have a lot anger still inside for me lol. At the time you said that you didn't contact German CP so I already apologized for that. Maybe hard to believe, but I actually do that when I accuse someone by mistake. Some people can learn from that.
Besides of that I wanted to attack Belgium as well since we had a deal with Poland. VS was the one that hired mercs for it, which I never agreed on. During my term there at least was some courage and activity. This is mainly a wargame with political aspects, not a political game with war aspects.
Sad to see that a small dispute gets blown up and results in people getting fired...
Voted. It's nice to see what both sides had to say about the situation.
But I have to ask: What do the events of a year ago, back when Kordak was CP, have to do with the current situation between Fhaemita, Kordan, and odan? I'm confused as to why that was brought up in response to the question, "What were these fights about?" Did I miss something?
I already answered in question 1 that I did not want to talk about it, but when Konnes asked me if I really couldn't tell a bit, since he was not active at the time, I decided to write it as neutral as possible. Still it probably has nothing to do with now, that depends on Fheamita himself lol. I only wanted to say that we had no good relationship in the past.
OK, I understand now. Thanks for responding and sorry for misspelling your name by the way. I was typing too fast and accidentally combined your name with odan's name. xD
It was just because I didn't know anything about it, and i thought, if i don't know it, i'm probably not the only one. 🙂
I love your work Konnes! As to the discussion: sadly it seems to be clear that the VP overplayed his hand, choosing the public path over the secrecy of IRC or PM. Konnes's interview might have played a role, but he was just doing his journalistic duty after Kordak's public denounciation of Odan.
thank you for the compliments, I also like your articles a lot 🙂
wow, guess not much changed,
still, you don't just ''fire'' a person, not for this,
I understand someone with a warped worldview like yourself doesn't get the pure logic in this.
ok, i just comment and yes, you come along again, but hey, i don't care, it's just that sacking a person isn't realy good-looking,
tl;dr: one fucked up by making unbacked multi accusations, the other one fucked up by trying to force his CP's hand publicly.
Oh and if the attack truly was because ePo and eNL agreed, you made the mistake of not involving eBe in the talks and you paid the price.
What's with some people not being able to admit screwing up? Everyone makes mistakes, swallow your false pride. 😛
You are right, I admit haha
"Although technically you can’t start a Motion of No Confidence against me only an impeachment."
I if remember good YOU was the one who started such a thing versus GDLR. Such a shame Fhaemita ...
In Poland we got a perfect saying for this : You make something to someone - good, someone make the same to you - bad.
"Kali ukraść krowę - dobrze, ukraść krowę Kaliemu źle"
He is only mentioning that he can't be send out on his own, but the entire government can be sent out with a motion.
So your statement that he started such a thing against GDLR is incorrect as it was started against the entire government at that time.
Only weird thing I see in that is that he even brings it up...
Funny that the "president" names me as having a grudge coz i mentioned something that happened months ago.
Sad thing is that he just forgets to give a situation sketch , on how my remarks came about.
Coz he didn't do it therefor i will:
Our president thought and stated that "a weekend"wasn't a really good time for a referendum, this because in his view people had far better things to do in the weekend than vote/play erep.
My remark on that statement was that he didn't have problems with that sometime back , when he started an impeachment 1 day after x-mas , which also was a weekend....
At that time he really didn't care much that people could've had better things to do as it was the holiday season and a lot of people wheren't gonna play due to family visits or holidays.
So my remark wasn't made coz i hold a grudge , i just thought it was very hypocritical, inappropriate and inconsequent from our president.
An impeachment during an extended x-mas weekend was fine , and now 1st weeks of march the weekend suddenly wasn't the right time for a referendum......
But if the president has the opinion that my remark means i'm having a personal grudge ...... thats on him and in his mind.
I can just state that i don't hold grudges over a game .....nor in RL.
for the dutch people that are registered on the forum and interested , the comment mentioned is on page 26 and on ....
http://enetherlands.nl/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=12988&start=250
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"where two fight there are two people guilty"
And only 1 gets punished while the other one, the one that started it and clearly didn't want to solve it got away clean.
"Although technically you can’t start a Motion of No Confidence against me only an impeachment."
Like you did against GDLR, and that on Christmas eve
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While you now where against the Referendum being hold in the weekend cause
"I beg the differ, a lot of people (including me) have better things to do in the weekend"
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People you should truly remember this, Fhaemita can not be trusted, he says 2 fight 2 guilty, fact Kordak responded to false accusations is not him fighting its him defending himself and he got punished, the one starting it and refusing to even solve it gets away clean, as also can be seen from my comment the guy will complain 1 moment while he does far worse him self, and this doesn't go just for this.
Don't worry Kordak. The tide is turning. It is just a matter of time before the people rise up and chase this evil from our land.
Voted! I appreciate all the work you are putting into your newspaper! The content is awesome 😃
Thank you for the compliment 😊
This is great journalism at work. 🙂
It's great to have both sides of the story presented in a neutral way.
Regarding the weird claim by our CP: Our lawbook says that a motion of no confidence cannot be started against solely the CP. It has to be against the whole government, giving the new CP the chance to make his own government. The new CP would have the power to fire everyone anyway, but that would be a messy start of his term, so instead our lawbook says that the firing part coincides with the previous CP leaving office.
A motion of no confidence also is the only way to remove the CP from office, seeing no in-game impeachment can be started by congress, because of our dictatorship.
we've had that discussion in the past. can you "fire" a CP with no in-game congress (basically what we have now). since the last time we fired a cp after the motion of no confidence we did have to start an in-game impeachment law.
and the last time we had the situation with no in-game congress and a monc that passed (although it somehow got revoted on) some believed we would have only a cp in charge with no other gov members anymore.
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Y'all get what you vote for.
yep someone with a spine, that has the best interest of eNL at heart. not some yellow bellied yank that runs (again) after losing the cp race.
It's easy to attack me and it just makes you look like a sore loser, you lost fair and square. Fact is you come to eNL 2 weeks before CP elections, you can ran and you lost and left again right away after losing. Just shows you only care about the CP medal if that wasn't the case you wouldn't do a CP run and right away leave after you lost, you wouldn't do that if you gave a shit about eNL.
Still " Y'all get what you vote for "
As You wrote - you got poor rival on elections. I would like to see how this will ends if there would be Tonie or ElGorro, or someone big
Indeed, I dont even want to imagine what the alternative would have been...