JCS vs. Congress: What Really Happened
chesehead
Below is a quick rundown on what happened with as least bias as possible. Thje conclussion however states my analysis and what I see happening, not what I want to happen.
1. Elections went off perfectly; however, a couple TC officers were elected. This begins the problem.
2. CJCS decides to enforce the age old rule of having all congress critters in NG, however, the TC officers were not told they had this option, so they resign.
3. Congress finds out about this and is mad. The excuses given that a soldier’s job is a full time one does not fly. It doesn’t help that this rule was selectively enforced.
4. Congress begins to investigate more. They ask for a progress report of the enforcement of the latest amendment. They also look into military commune efficiency. They find that there are problems with both. Congress finds that the JCS have not accepted XO’s onto JCS, and that certain information requests were being denied.
5. 5-6 days ago, Glove requested the info under the amendment. He was ignored until he pointed out that he could fired CJCS, at which time, he complies with part of the request, then takes credit for a timely and full response. Also note that the JCS disagreed with many of glove’s plans but was forced into following them. This did not help relations.
6. Congress begins to debate their course of action since the JCS said they will not compromise and uphold parts of the amendment.
7. Various e😜
residents finally get involved, and tell congress that the military is giving them the middle finger. As a result, various amendments and a proposal to remove the CJCS are started.
8. CJCS states that it will not comply with congress, then puts a post on the general topic in the military forums that says that they are now private and will not receive funding from congress or listen to any of “their” laws
9. Overnight, the CO of the Airborne retires, but first removes his XO for unspecified reasons. This causes other AB members to resign. They state that the military has enough Cash and gold to sustain themselves from anywhere from 1-6 months and a year at the most. EDIT- The officer in question resighned due to other reasons and not this. The XO was passed over and the new CO did not chose the previous XO to be her new XO. Sorry for the misconfusion. New information has came available.
10. Early on the 5th, emerick is the clear winner. Discussion rage on what the military will do. Later in the day, the military returns 120K USD to the CBO.
11. Congress begins work on an amendment that should pass shortly, and Emerick outlines a plan to put the militaries under the DoD and SoD.
Conclusion- The days of the JCS are over. The new amendments effectively destroy them. The military is now the games largest private militia. It is unclear how long this will last. One can hope that in the end, both sides can come to a compromise, but it appears that JCS has dug its heels in the ground and will not budge. I believe that the probably end solution is that the JCS will remain private with the bulk of the military. A secondary military of sorts will be created that will fall under the DoD and SoD. This is not what my opinion is, just the way I see the cards falling. In order for the JCS to survive as is, they would have to come back to the table on their knees and hope for mercy. In the end, cooler heads should prevail, and we will eventually get back to worrying about more pressing issues, such as a Spanish invasion, and economic matters.
Special thanks to Croy for the excellent rundown on the forum.
-Chesehead EC chair+ some military stuff
EDITED WITH NEW INFORMATION
Comments
Re #2. That is incorrect. Ethan Deluca and I personally talked to the TC Congressmen about NG. Further, I told them they could remain an extra week in TC checking TC and Congress out before moving anywhere.
There are conflicting stories on the timing. I'm simply using the timeframe that congress was presented with.
Conflicting stories = problems in communication for both sides.
Oh wait, this sounds familiar.
They were not told before the election was the problem (and the problem for the parties that could have chosen to put other people into Congress).
Regardless, thanks Morri for giving them a period to experience both afterwards before making a decision. I was not aware of that.
Yeah, this is basically correct. Well done. This best part of it all is that the days of the JCS are over. That is the truly great event that has come of all of this.
JCS is a cancer. Before one can treat the body, the cancer itself must be cut out or otherwise destroyed. To my great personal satisfaction, the cancer is being destroyed.
Just to clarify. I personally had a conversation with one of the officers involved in #2 to discuss his options. After that discussion he decided to remain in the TC. Another of the officers decided to remain in Congress and resign from the TC.
can I have my taxes back, already
Hey yo where be getting some of these facts? "Overnight, the CO of the Airborne retires, but first removes his XO for unspecified reasons. This causes other AB members to resign."
The Airborne hasn't had a single member resign over that. We have had only two resignations. The first being a Congressman who didn't agree with Bradley so he decided to leave. The other person left to go join another nations military to be with some friends.
Sorry man but you don't know more about the Airborne than an Airborne Senior Officer.
I was refrencing to that congressman.. Sorry if I worded it wrong. I'm just going by public Non-OPSEX info.
Yea you worded that VERY wrong. Your implying that Channings resignation and removal of Deerslayer caused it. Completely untrue. Unfortunately that Congressman couldn't leave peacefully. He took the liberty of providing screenshots of rosters and stuff and gave them to the Ultramarines. Those rosters have peoples emails and stuff. God forbid someone in the UM gets a little angry and starts sending spam via email or something.
Edited due to new information. Sorry for misconfusion.
\o/ thank you Cheesehead.
Chesehead, I would go get the info from the horses mouth and not second hand from someone that is lock step with the former JCS.
I didn't get the info from armandez. I got it from multiple source that confirmed the info.
Cerb saved America from the JCS
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Is there a bro-nation that isn't run by petty politicians and trolled by militias and Turks, and is interested in fighting Serbs, not its own strategists? If so, PM me.
You forgot to mention when brad asked the JCS to change an amendment. Then croy made the discussion thread and I guess that's when the logs of pfeiffer and croy happened.
"Cerb saved America from the JCS"
You people sound like robots.
What exactly was the JCS going to do to America that Cerb prevented? Sounds like both sides have lost their cotton-pickin minds to me.
All of this make me puke. This is a bloody game. Instead we should play it, politics fags wanna all power, same group of people which changing positions.
But that is not enough power for them, they wanna OWN ALL POWER in USA because of ONE man ? POTUS ? Even destroying military ? Which was build in YEARS. World war, and massive invasion is on our doors.
I am foreigner and I am in Marines more then years, but in last couple of months US community simply make me sick and destroying for me all desire to play this game.
SHAME ON YOU "POLITICAL", executive or whatever ! You will ultimately kill US community because MORE POWER !
GTFO !
..you first.
I only wish people would start looking at this from the other side and start making the connections that those in power are not in the military. In fact, they are mostly all in militias. Who is likely to benefit the most or have axes to grind against the military? Those in militias. When people are in such positions its easy to argue the side of a saint when in reality you aren't a saint.
I'm not supporting all the actions on the side of the military that went on here but let's be honest, just like those in the military have an agenda those pushing this had one to. And let's be really honest, all those agendas weren't necessary in the best interest of eUS...there was quite a bit of private [militia] interest going on here.
Years from now, when erepublik sucks even more and they have to rollback v3 back to beta, eAmericans may wonder what the supposed "neutral" and "rational" politicians were thinking when they effectively neutered the eUS military and began to see the disintegration of eUS's top 5 position as well as the struggle of dealing with 30 different militias doing who knows what with little ability to control them. I really hate to say this but if you think there is drama now...just wait.
HisAirness, you could always go back to Croatia.
Dish, you could always go back to Mexico... or the UK
HisAirness:
You spend literally day in private IRC channels trolling anyone who disagrees with you. You frequently insult various community members, and drone on about the superiority of the JCS-led militia. You've also been quoted as saying that if someone is not in that group, they are not a real American. I understand there is a language barrier of sorts, but seriously, I don't know where you come up with that stuff.
In Nazi Germany it was prohibited to be Jew ??
can I have my taxes back, already x2
Pfeiffer: We're not talking about me, we're talking about how Chese wrote a summary and people are shitting on it. :3
I think most of the shit was aimed at other posters who were making political statements, not the author of the article who was trying to stay neutral. Although some bias did show in this article, and he was sprayed a bit, most of the criticism towards the author was simply about correcting some mistakes in the article.
Overall, good article. It brought clarity to some of the backstory that had led up to this drama along with helping me stay up to date.
LOL
So glad I stepped away from this "game". This country deserves to be invaded and wiped. Maybe you'll get your shit together like you did during the last invasion.
/me thinks Cerb should change his avatar and remove the military symbol that he mocks with his every action.
I have resigned my position in the Airborne.
2. CJCS decides to enforce the age old rule of having all congress critters in NG, however, the TC officers were not told they had this option, so they resign.
That is a lie because i watched as they talked to john marsten about transfering to the NG to keep his position, and out of love for the TC he stayed.
Your submitting more biased information thats targeting the only organization that is stable.
2 is indeed a lie. I personally explained the terms of the rule to 2 of the 3 officers that were is that situation.
At venom and deluca
First, incorrect does not equal a lie. Second, read the comments before you post. The first four post already cover this subject. Cheeesehead is using the information as was received by him. Further, he is willing and has changed the information in the article as members of the military have pointed out errors. Further, the statement has been clarified that the TC members were not informed BEFORE the election that they could only be in one or the other causing them to take up party seats and screw parties out of representation in congress. If you want to say they were told before the election of the consequence, do so.
By purposely ignoring the obvious intent of the author and the clear statements in the discussion to falsely represent the OPs claims, you have engendered an obvious straw man fallacy. In doing so, you not only slandered a good guy who tried to do us all a service, not only failed to use an opportunity to aid in that service, you showed that you are far more corrupted by bias then you could ever make the OP seem.
If you want to see how you should have handled it, observe how Morrigan confronted the OP when addressing the issue. Its only the very first post in the discussion.
Dumping the top brass of the eUS mil is a positive occurrence. Any military leadership has only one function - to maximize the fighting ability of the eUS. Not to perpetuate phony saluting (o7), bogus ranks, provide make work positions for sycophants and cronies, or other peripheral ego tripping BS.
I read the posts, Aurelius. I just wanted to confirm this since I was directly involved. I'm sorry for using the word "lie". "incorrect" is indeed the right term here.
Bill Hook: Because no one plays games to meet new people and make friends, like the military community provides. No one plays games for that little thrill of gaining a level or rank, like the military community provides. And no one plays games simply to have fun, which the military community provides.
You can call it phony all you want, but that is what a game is. A false reality people engage in to enjoy themselves. If you despise this false reality so much, then don't play games. Basically what you just said was that dumping the top brass of the eUS military was a good idea cause they enabled people to have too much fun.
I think you guys are taking this all just a *bit* too seriously.
But if someone wanted to do a big tax rebate thing, I wouldn't complain. 😉
I doubt a tax rebate would ever happen. The military may send some of its funds back to Congress, but those funds will just be channeled elsewhere. Most likely, I would guess, it will be split up between the various militias (Hopefully with no favoritism, but I won't hold my breath on that). Whether or not the military will receive back any of those funds it has worked hard to accumulate remains to be seen.
How can this article claim to be unbiased when your getting a rundown from Croy who is one of the people along with Henry Arundel who hates the military so much and wants them destroyed. everyone's seen the convo log now hopefully and you can tell what sorts of people these are.
Why is the Military even bothering to return funds, they should keep them!
NG? TC?
If you are going to have a civil war, at least let us understand it.
btw
"Is there a bro-nation that isn't run by petty politicians and trolled by militias and Turks, and is interested in fighting Serbs, not its own strategists? If so, PM me."
There isn't. The UK is your only active ally who isn't slowly being wiped (and we speak English), but we have an MPP with Serbia.
12. Dell Fargus proclaims that he doesn't really care.
A lot of smart people, just as many dumb comments. :~(
Somewhat amusing.
Learn to think outside the box, everyone.