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Italy, I am sorry...
I am apologising for two reasons.
First of all, it cannot be denied that yesterday we failed to prevent the agressive Croatian TO of Italy. We, in PEACE are dedicated to defend member states from hostile TO-s and yesterday it was not successful.
There were many reasons, but not the ones that American, Croatian or other propaganda tells you; we did want to help. And we did send help. Quite a lot. But we cannot fight a TO if a number of regions have ONLY TO-ist candidates! We do know it was due to a bug, but bugs can be reported and fixed in time. We could not help that so many Croatian candidates were against so few Italians that even from the wildcard places they were impossible to oust. And finally, yes we were guilty of switching from Canada too late.
But also you should point an accusing finger to Theocracy as well. They did succumb to Atlantis propaganda, they did TO Italy, they did fracture Italian politics and demoralized many of your players, who left for other countries, or the game itself - leaving you wide open to a TO, and not helping out either.
And the other thing I must absolutely apologise to you, is the behaviour of our MoFa, Mikrobi. What he said is inexcusable, both as a diplomat and as a human being. I, as a simple Hungarian citizen (as I hold absolutely no office) do apologize for his words, and fervently hope that you will not judge us all for them.
I am sorry, i do not speak Italian, so I cannot translate this article. If anyone can help me, I would gladly complete this article with that.
I am as always, completely honest and write what I really think and feel. I never wrote my paper otherwise. Most of you know me for that. I do not make a joke or ridicule, or whatnot. I mean it, every word.
For the Hungarian readers:
A cikkben elnézést kérek az olaszoktól amiért a PEACE és mi nem tudtunk eléggé segíteni nekik, hogy kivédjük a horvát TO-t. Leírom, hogy több oka is volt, pl. a bugok amik miatt jópár régióban csak horvát jelöltek maradtak, meg hogy a teokraták már régebb óta elkezdték szétverni az olasz belpolitikai életet, és az atlantisz propagandáját terjeszteni, ami miatt meggyengültek és sok játékosuk el is hagyta az országot és a játékot is. Valamint a végén elnézést kérek Mikrobi otromba beszólásáért, amiben gyengének hívja őket és hogy megérdemelték a TO-t - ilyent felelős diplomata egyszerűen nem mondhat ki még akkor sem ha igaznak érzi. Teszem ezt persze magánemberként hiszen csak az vagyok - ez nem kormány álláspont csak amit én érzek, gondolok.
Quicksilver
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First of all, it cannot be denied that yesterday we failed to prevent the agressive Croatian TO of Italy. We, in PEACE are dedicated to defend member states from hostile TO-s and yesterday it was not successful.
There were many reasons, but not the ones that American, Croatian or other propaganda tells you; we did want to help. And we did send help. Quite a lot. But we cannot fight a TO if a number of regions have ONLY TO-ist candidates! We do know it was due to a bug, but bugs can be reported and fixed in time. We could not help that so many Croatian candidates were against so few Italians that even from the wildcard places they were impossible to oust. And finally, yes we were guilty of switching from Canada too late.
But also you should point an accusing finger to Theocracy as well. They did succumb to Atlantis propaganda, they did TO Italy, they did fracture Italian politics and demoralized many of your players, who left for other countries, or the game itself - leaving you wide open to a TO, and not helping out either.
And the other thing I must absolutely apologise to you, is the behaviour of our MoFa, Mikrobi. What he said is inexcusable, both as a diplomat and as a human being. I, as a simple Hungarian citizen (as I hold absolutely no office) do apologize for his words, and fervently hope that you will not judge us all for them.
I am sorry, i do not speak Italian, so I cannot translate this article. If anyone can help me, I would gladly complete this article with that.
I am as always, completely honest and write what I really think and feel. I never wrote my paper otherwise. Most of you know me for that. I do not make a joke or ridicule, or whatnot. I mean it, every word.
For the Hungarian readers:
A cikkben elnézést kérek az olaszoktól amiért a PEACE és mi nem tudtunk eléggé segíteni nekik, hogy kivédjük a horvát TO-t. Leírom, hogy több oka is volt, pl. a bugok amik miatt jópár régióban csak horvát jelöltek maradtak, meg hogy a teokraták már régebb óta elkezdték szétverni az olasz belpolitikai életet, és az atlantisz propagandáját terjeszteni, ami miatt meggyengültek és sok játékosuk el is hagyta az országot és a játékot is. Valamint a végén elnézést kérek Mikrobi otromba beszólásáért, amiben gyengének hívja őket és hogy megérdemelték a TO-t - ilyent felelős diplomata egyszerűen nem mondhat ki még akkor sem ha igaznak érzi. Teszem ezt persze magánemberként hiszen csak az vagyok - ez nem kormány álláspont csak amit én érzek, gondolok.
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Italy, I'm sorry, and fully agree with Quicksilver.
Mi spiace tanto.
Hát igen, ezt fel kell vótolni, 14. és 28. vote voltam.
Stop talking BS propaganda, Sucko.
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"First of all, it cannot be denied that yesterday we failed to prevent the agressive Croatian TO of Italy."
How dare you to call it an agressive TO after all you've done in eWorld?
"And we did send help. Quite a lot."
Yeah, i saw it..........................NOT!
lol
What a bug? Noob posting candidates from Italy cost them enough, not a bug...stop your PEACE propaganda, I know that Italians are not that stupid to believe that.
crap !
PISS FAIL!!WEST CROATIA
me not sorry
Canada means more then your member from alliance- Italy, you spent hundereds votes there, and you faild there also!
Hungaryfail again!
hungary leave italy alone lol
lol che cosa centriamo noi?
I'm objecitve, Italy needed only 70 votes, Hungary has 3k ACTIVE players!
'we in peace are dedicated ..against aggresive TO'...yes ma'am,like the one you did in croatia!!!they only payed you back!hahaha
badcroatianpropaganda.
70/3000 = 2.3%
lol è sempre colpa nostra. Quicksilver i want well you but this time the mistake did you (peace)
Looks like Zoli got himself some competition!
It`s always someone else`s fault!
Bugs and Theocrats, come on, stop with this pointless propaganda.
It`ll be better if you would just come clean and admit that you had other more important plans and did not care about some mediocre country being TO-ed.
Lol :
"But also you should point an accusing finger to Theocracy as well"
AHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA
EPIC FAIL!
And you didn't even send 70 voters...
"But also you should point an accusing finger to Theocracy as well"
HAHAHA EPIC ULTRA MEGA GOOOOOOODLIKE FAIL
i have to believe...
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P.S. vote this up that everyone can se this s**t
''we did want to help. And we did send help ''
O_o
I was awake whole night and I did not(repeat:did NOT) see any help for Italy...cheap article !
@dio maksas:voi non centrate niente.siete solo capitati in mezzo e siete stati sacrificati come tanti altri aleati di ungheria.
un bug?
qui non ci capisco più nulla.
Ma il presidente dovè quando server?
Croatian Propaganda!!! We will help you Italian friends
"But also you should point an accusing finger to Theocracy as well. They did succumb to Atlantis propaganda, they did TO Italy, they did fracture Italian politics and demoralized many of your players, who left for other countries, or the game itself - leaving you wide open to a TO, and not helping out either."
Want you to fire on Red Cross too?
OMG very shameful!
I say shame on us (PEACE), because we let eCroats to TO eItaly. They TO Italy with just 454 votes. I say shame on my goverment too (I'm a Serb). Our leaders fought for chairs in our congress and some of these votes could be used to ATO eItaly, but probably our leaders didn't cared a lot unfortunately..... If Croats used, for example 2000 votes (with their allies) to TO eItaly, I wouldn't say a word, but to TO one of our members with just 454 votes.....
@overk:si k hanno aiutato,con tanta di quella propaganda da 2 soldi piena di bugie k danno gratis a tutti.se ti metti a ascoltarli,tutta la ungheria si era mesa in moto per andare in italia.solo k si e rotto il pullman
lol adi nobody o/
adesso perchè erano impegnati a votare in canada è colpa nostra?? xD
E questa cos'è? Non è propaganda?
Italy: i am with you
We just want ours 600k HRK that Serbia and Hungary printed and then Croats will leave Italian congress.
that is all
EOD
PEACE che per rimediare tira di mezzo i Teocratici. EPIC FAIL!
Quid pro quo, yes?
PEACE: ;MMMMMMMMONSTERFAIL!!!!
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choka 21 minutes ago I say shame on us (PEACE), because we let eCroats to TO eItaly. They TO Italy with just 454 votes. I say shame on my goverment too (I'm a Serb). Our leaders fought for chairs in our congress and some of these votes could be used to ATO eItaly, but probably our leaders didn't cared a lot unfortunately..... If Croats used, for example 2000 votes (with their allies) to TO eItaly, I wouldn't say a word, but to TO one of our members with just 454 votes.....
Imali smo mi puno vise glasova, ali posto nije trebalo ljude smo slali u druge drzave. Sta ti mislis da smo se oslanjali na 454 glasa? S tim brojem votea nebih ni dolazio radit TO. Bitna je organizacija, a ne izivljavanje.
READ THIS!!!
We just want ours 600k HRK that Serbia and Hungary printed and then Croats will leave Italian congress.
that is all
EOD
We want our money which PEACE and eHungary stole from us back, that is the only reason why we make TO of eItaly as PEACE member.
So, eItaly You should ask eHungary to return our money, when they do it, we will retreat from Your congress.
Why we pick eItaly ? Because we have real chances to make TO, also, You are wealthy nation, and most important You are PEACE founder and member.
So, just aks from eHungary our money and all will be good.
iv seen much worse things about italy writen in other peace countries especially serbia, check the comments and authors yourself, mikrobi is not even close to their insults...
face it, they betrayed you, croatia is also not very big country but our allies were always there for us, they only use you for their imperialistic causes , when you need help defending your homeland they dont even bother to send 70 voters to save you... that says it all...
HisAirness: if you pay the money you robbed from Serbia, you get the money the smurfs have withdrawn from Croatia.
mikrobi
people should learn from your diplomatic skills
nice MofFA you have Hungary
@Mikrobi
You are not in the position to make demands, situation has changed and we are no longer underdogs.
Mikrobi:
600HRK move in "hrvatska Narodna Banka" and Croatians will leave Italian congress.
Thats all
EOD
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Understand???
Nothing else ,no other reason!
Just do it.
Mikrobi you are the worst liar that erep has ever seen.
Not one word is true what he lied about me.
Webstartm, not 600HRK - 600 000 HRK
quicksilver, u can kill someone and then said him sorry
and you CANNOT blame theocrats !!!
one big LOL on your article
What a bad day.
@Quicksilver
Look we really don`t care about the disputes between you and Mikrobi, I personally respect you a whole lot because in a lot of situation you have proven to be the only voice of reason, and that is what I can`t say about Mikrobi and his strange diplomatic ways.
The main thing here is the sitation between Croatia and Hungary/Serbia.
If you give us our money back, Italy gets it`s congess back, no harm done, but if we don`t get the money Italy will unfortunately have to pay for stuff Hungary/Serbia did to us, simple as that.
Quicksilver here is our answer <a href="http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/facciamo-un-gioco-adesso--872381/1/all" target="_blank">http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/facc[..]1/all</a>
There is a time for to vote and there is a time for to fight. Now it's time for to fight! Eitaly wake up and fight the enemy!
Forza e onore!
Dorian Derezic: with all due respect this article was not written to you Croatians. It was written to Italians.
Besides I am no official to negotiate, only a privat person. And as a privat person I think you stole enough from Serbia so you can have no demands from us whatsoever. You are dirty TO-ists again, just like when you TO-ed Serbian congress and Presidency, robbed the country and starved the babies from the baby-boom, and conquered it almost totally. So, please do not try to portray yourselves as some kind of a modern Robin Hood, like being the knights of truth and justice - because you are neither.
Érdekes ez a világ. Nem is mondok sokkal többet, megyek, megnézem a fegyvereimet....
Hail Italy, Hail Hungary, Hail PEACE!
Well Quicksilver I have always had a strong respect for you, and I still have it, but honestly, I don't think this article (and many comments) was what we needed right now.
Yes, we were guilty of leaving some spots open (not that much, not more than five) but to have 27 seats taken from TOers...
All this just because Canada was more important. We have always been loyal like few have been, and we received so little in return.
The numbers (454 votes), compared to the population of many PEACE countries, are speaking by themselves.
I am not really happy, honestly. And I don't think Theocracy has all that blame to be ascribed to them.
I just think there's a problem of a strong lack of interest towards a founding member of PEACE. It's nice to see many PEACE citizens saying "we're with you" here in this article, but if you were with us yesterday it would have been better.
Mikrobi better that she is MoFa than you...
rember this:
Quote from Mikrobi, Minister of Foreign Affairs of Hungary:
''Italy is too small and too weak. You should collect yourselves! The PEACE can't defend always Italy!''
poor Italian Baby
you cooked it on your own Soup, your inner politics and than your managing fail ...
even when many Italians didn't vote in their own Country is that a mega Fail, Croatia just took his chance in that case. Next Time be aware.
Also it is sensesless that Italy hold so many Regions, Italy is a small Country and can't protect themselve in any case against PTOed.
You are broke down even for the next PTO because the foreign Congressmans can now allow everyone for Citizenship!
another sign of Indonesia and Hungary's selfishness... They wont even give back Russian regions and now they abondon Italy to takeover Canada which for the most part failed. Open your eyes
Giovanni Marinelli: I am not dismissing blame, quite the opposite: I acknowledge it partly - but denying the reasons that Croatian-American propaganda tells. I also did not blame wholly Theocracy - but that they have their_part_ in matters is quite clear.
My article maybe not the best right now... but then I don't think that an honest 'sorry' is ever wrong...
webstartm: quote my whole comment, please. In this way it's a simple forgery.
vote. but the question remain.
OMG, you blame the theocrats for this?
what a great day for italy!
quicksilver
Besides I am no official to negotiate, only a privat person. And as a privat person I think you stole enough from Serbia so you can have no demands from us whatsoever. You are dirty TO-ists again, just like when you TO-ed Serbian congress and Presidency, robbed the country and starved the babies from the baby-boom, and conquered it almost totally. So, please do not try to portray yourselves as some kind of a modern Robin Hood, like being the knights of truth and justice - because you are neither.
hmm, as i recal hungary tryed to TO almost every new country, including half of ex atlantis countries. youre not competent to give such accusations
A bit offtopic:
Quicksilver made for Hungary what no other hungarian official did. Or ever dreamed. Because of her the Hungary is the power of today. The others what they did? Banned her... Strange!
A bit ontopic:
TO's, anti-TO's, anti-anti-TO's, politics...
If that happened to Italy now when Hungary's on the wave, what will happen to the less powerful PEACEgc members tomorrow?
Russia could be right, after all.
Excuse me, I'm out to watch the more on-topic comments that will follow, for sure.
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Romanian soldier
Thanks anyway for your concern Quicksilver
pathetic and shallow, but still way better then Mikrobi's words...
It's funny how most of the PEACE countries didn't even turn up on the TO/ATO operations and then Hungary takes the blame who did but failed with so many targets. I mean, they at least tried. Of course the TO of Canada was a huge mistake on their part. But even if they sent only 30-40 voters here, that's probably a lot more than you've received from anywhere else.
Quicksilver
I think you're dying of laughter when you writing this article
Shame on You Quicksilver
quickFAIL
"There were many reasons, but not the ones that American, Croatian or other propaganda tells you; we did want to help. And we did send help...."
You wanted, you did... Make up your mind
When I think twice, Mikrobi and Quicksilver **together** do a great job for eHungary; Playing political games and fishing for symphaty while beeing the biggest agressor in the eWorld is excatly what PEACE stands for: Peace at home(?!) As long as that home is eHungary and their interests...
Choka: RESPECT. It is completely irrelevant how much more voters we had in standby, what matters is that we managed to TO Italy with such low number of votes, well even lower if you don't count those 2 regions that eItaly had not put up congressman’s before elections.
Quicksilver you can think whatever you want it is your right.
Your country robbed eCroatia same way but 3x more then they did to eSrbia and you now tried to TO country so you could conquered it Tottaly. And you dare calling us eCroats “dirty TO-ists”.
Such hypocorism I would expect from Zoli, Mirkobi but never from you, this is ugly to watch, Not so long ago I had great respect for you but with each article you're closer to Mikrobi then you think.
Giovanni Marinelli. I'm sorry it has come to this but strange as it sounds we are actually asking your country to HELP us.
Notice that the previous article, Italy, is them eating cake and laughing, while your country was taken over. Them focusing clearly and solely on the invasion of America and what they stood to gain from that.
And now ask yourselves this- does Hungary really have Italy's best interests in mind when you put those two things together?
lawl, nice try with the justifications
"But also you should point an accusing finger to Theocracy as well. They did succumb to Atlantis propaganda, they did TO Italy, they did fracture Italian politics and demoralized many of your players, who left for other countries, or the game itself - leaving you wide open to a TO, and not helping out either."
Blame it on the poor Theocrats. What did we ever do to you?
asd
Antimo:
1. Do you remember when I've told you to make the game more interesting to Italian players? <a href="http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/make-war-not-love--833146/1/20" target="_blank">http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/make[..]1/20</a>
2. I hope now you will live interesting times to build up your strength and have a game finally. <a href="http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/arrivederci-italia--837759/1/20" target="_blank">http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/arri[..]/1/20</a>
Mikrobi does fail as a MoFa btw.
Shame on us! We leaved Italy alone!
LOL
Quickfail o/
love you, quick
ljudi ucimo madjarski talijani su proslost
1. pcela - bere med
2. bumbar - jebe bere med
3. nogomet - bezis hodas meni dodas
sutra druga lekcija
:* svim talijankama
lol
what's done, is done. Now we have to work togheter to fix this problem and to kick some ass out of eItaly
"But also you should point an accusing finger to Theocracy as well. They did succumb to Atlantis propaganda, they did TO Italy, they did fracture Italian politics and demoralized many of your players, who left for other countries, or the game itself - leaving you wide open to a TO, and not helping out either."
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If the World will start turning on the opposite side, someone will point a finger to Theocracy because of this. Indeed, we have Dios and for them everything is possible, even the supernatural.
From <a href="http://wiki.erepublik.com/index.php/Theocracy#Gennaio_2009" target="_blank">http://wiki.erepublik.com/index.php/Theo[..]_2009</a> :
"After 48 hours Colinar is impeached by an opponent group"
Who recall why Colinar was impeach? Bacause he called "traitors" few Congressmen that voted NO for a quickly MPP between Italy and Hungary.
Yes, back in the time when Hungary was a small and weak Country, Italy always helped Hungary. But honestly I doubt any Hungarian is so old enough in game to remember Italy being in first line helping a week Hungary back in June 2008.
As a last note: nice words from an ex-Theocratic.
I LOVE VAJINA
So Italy was lost becouse those who had to defend it were out getting drunk and eating cake!
eItaly you should find yourself some better allies.
Un altro articolo in Inglese
io combattevo sotto Colinar e Vegaicm ,a dire il vero ho sputtanato fin troppi gold per l'Ungheria questi ora sono i ringraziamenti ,tutti i migliori tank theocratici erano in prima linea contro la romania ai tempi
thx quicksilver
Again Sucko, again? your memory is way too short. Let me quote:
"Denial is a defense mechanism postulated by Sigmund Freud, in which a person is faced with a fact that is too uncomfortable to accept and rejects it instead, insisting that it is not true despite what may be overwhelming evidence."
I am sorry that you're hurt and I do pity you, if that makes you feel better.
Another Freudian slip mr. Ysoul?
Croatian propaganda.
eCroatian people just To a party. We needed only 70 votes (i think). Why PEACE dont send us only 70 pgs? (eIndonesia+eHungary = 27k players)
Please eItaly go out from PEACE!
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