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With this peace Ireland will be able to give more for our alliance, peace with UK is result of 4 months boring war on all sides, same battles, same results...

peace?

I can understand that. As a US citizen I've had to fight in Spain for 5 months non-stop, usually in the same regions. However allowing UK there regions back because the fights have become "boring" considering the kind of danger they present to the flank of EDEN/Terra forces on the continent is weak.

UK is ONE, forming some sort of non-aggressive pact with a ONE country when ONE is on the offensive against our true allies makes no sense at all.

We're just allowing the UK time and scope to gather strength for the inevitable attack on either us or one of our allies.

Croatia, the leading country in EDEN, has signed a NAP with both Serbia and Hungary, ONE superpowers and founders, so I don't think our NAP with UK makes a huge difference in the grand scheme of things.

The only thing that will happen if we want a war of aggression with UK right now is, we will give the e-UK all 6 Irish regions and we'll get to fight for our own regions in Resistance Wars that fail everyday, because with the shift in power again between ONE and EDEN that is what WILL happen if we wish to continue war with them.

These are the reasons Peace was signed.

"Croatia, the leading country in EDEN, has signed a NAP with both Serbia and Hungary.....so I don't think our NAP with UK makes a huge difference in the grand scheme of things."

The wiping of the UK has come about primarily due to the assault of Terra forces onto mainland Europe, cutting off ONE nations like Serbia and Poland from assisting the UK by liberating other Terra states like France, Germany and wiping Spain and allowing EDEN countries to obliterate the UK. So Croatia signing a NAP with Serbia and Hungary, although noteworthy, has very little to do with the UK wipe, all Croatia has accomplished at this juncture is freed up the Serbs to concentrate solely on its assault on France, which is the bulwark cutting off the UK.

If France falls, the US and Brazil will be squashed against the Atlantic seaboard and probably - eventually - pushed right of the mainland. At which point the UK once more holds all the cards. Serbia then has free reign to prosecute its war against Terra and its allies, Ireland included.

"The only thing that will happen if we want a war of aggression with UK right now is...."

We are in a war of aggression with the UK. The notion signing a NAP with UK will also curb the advances of every other ONE nation...? What assurances do Ireland have?

Also: the UK was wiped by Ireland, Canada and France. All of whom still hold regions in the UK. Failure to sign a NAP with the UK doesn't necessarily mean Ireland will revert to its former state of trying to fend off the UK/ONE - not whilst France stands and Terra continues to maintain its regions in Europe.

You're forgetting about the One surge into eNL 😛

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"So Croatia signing a NAP with Serbia and Hungary, although noteworthy, has very little to do with the UK"

>Croatia signing a NAP with Serbia
>Serbia invading France
>France losing it's grip in UK

So how exactly will it help Terra or EDEN if Ireland attacks UK now and get's itself wiped so we can fight in Resistance Wars to try put our own regions back on the map everyday? Serbia are coming through and France will fall, and Brazil will be pushed out of Europe no matter what Ireland does. To suggest that Ireland-UK peace makes any difference to any of that is just plain silly. Bulgaria leaving is the reason all of this will happen and everyone knows it.

You honestly think that if Ireland attacks UK it is going to help ANYONE in EDEN/Terra in any way?

There is a simple way of looking at things in this game that turns out to be right almost all of the time-

-When your alliance is dominant in MPP battles, then the more fronts your alliance has open the better.

-When your alliance is being dominated in MPP battles, then the less fronts your alliance has open the better.

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1. "So how exactly will it help Terra or EDEN if Ireland attacks UK now..."

As I stated in the article above:

Any "peace" which allows ONE to get a platform to attack France or US-held territories from the rear seems a huge strategic error.

The reality is: Ireland-France-Canada have held UK down for 4 months and could continue to do so; the Serbs, now bogged down fighting the French, can't supply the kind of aid to the UK they once could have done at any point in the last 4 months; Terra, the US especially, no matter that they lose an occasional region in Spain, have shown time and again that they can still muster superior fire-power than the Spanish by winning any regions back almost immediately; same with Brazil; Germany is intact and ensures Poland can only attack France through the Netherlands, which are holding (just).

The idea its backs-against-the-wall-time is premature. For Ireland or anyone in the alliance.


2. "Serbia are coming through and France will fall, and Brazil will be pushed out of Europe no matter what Ireland does."

Moot point. Serbia is exerting massive pressure, granted, but things aren't decided by a longshot. And despite recent gains Bulgaria's enemies now form a pretty long queue....


3. "You honestly think that if Ireland attacks UK it is going to help ANYONE in EDEN/Terra in any way?"

Ireland is 4 months established in the UK, with the boot to the throat. A longer invasion than the UK has ever been able to inflict on Ireland in-game. Fact. We ALREADY are effectively attacking them everyday!!

The article's original point was the strategic advantage Ireland cedes to ONE by allowing the UK its regions back without a fight (not that EDEN/Terra fighters are allowing this to happen: they ain't as evidenced by the Ireland's continued suppression of UK in there RWs). And stating it will be an Irish-UK fight is plain wrong: Ireland remain part of EDEN, if/when the UK attack Canada and France will share the brunt of the attack.

Since when does the UK ever fully agree to anything? Backstabbers will be backstabbers.

@MUFC92 it's been longer than 4 months bro.

Croatia and Greece have allowed the countries through (serbia and fyrom)that are "attacking France from the rear" as well as Brazil and USA because they have a "peace" with those countries which allowed them that "platform" so please if you are going to complain about NAPs, do it about the ones that are actually relevant. The Irish-UK NAP is about as relevant to the world war as one between the Philippines and Indo would be.

And lol mate the Serbs are bogged down fighting France? Don't think so.

And btw we're not in that queue of Bulgarias enemies and we never will be.

Also please don't try to give credit to EDEN/Terra for my unit holding down Irish regions in UK, it is not Terra or EDEN refusing to return the regions because we intend to keep those as part of the peace anyway. Bulgarians actually do more to keep those regions Irish than any other country outside of Ireland.

Also never said it will be an Irish-UK fight. It will be a ONE-EDEN fight, and not many of those have been going EDENs way lately.

"And lol mate the Serbs are bogged down fighting France? Don't think so."

Lol, in the sense that the French are region-rich and it'll take a while to break them completely, i.e. bogged.

"And btw we're not in that queue of Bulgarias enemies and we never will be."

Realise that. But NE's are being proposed against them en masse. Sad but true. And what they're doing now, sucking in a lot of EDEN fighers is soon gonna be snuffed aout by the sheer weight of numbers about to fall on them

"Also please don't try to give credit to EDEN/Terra for my unit holding down Irish regions in UK, it is not Terra or EDEN refusing to return the regions because we intend to keep those as part of the peace anyway."

The ICA are single-handedly holding down Irish-held regions in the UK??? Sure there influence is considerable, but don't think so. I've put down tens of millions in DMG for mostly Ireland in the UK for months now and I see BH hunters regularly from everywhere and anywhere put down the most damage. Ireland's holding down of the UK's regions is a collective effort from EDEN/Terra fighters.

"Bulgarians actually do more to keep those regions Irish than any other country outside of Ireland."

No offence, but its highly likely a couple of nations regularly put down more damage than Eire in those RWs, like Croatia, Romania, the US etc. Anyone can click on an Irish-UK battle and check the stats: its a combined effort.

"Also never said it will be an Irish-UK fight. It will be a ONE-EDEN fight, and not many of those have been going EDENs way lately."

True, some have, but its not across the board. And Spanish resistance runs hot and cold and has proved itself absolutely incapable of matching the US. With the US NEing FYRom the balance in the Med should be restored.

"Croatia and Greece have allowed the countries through (serbia and fyrom)that are "attacking France from the rear" as well as Brazil and USA because they have a "peace" with those countries..."

By "rear" I meant north, i.e. UK. A resurgent UK means ONE can attack France from the rear/north, opening up another front against the already outnumbered French. The sense in maintaining EDEN-possession of the UK is therefore obvious.

"The Irish-UK NAP is about as relevant to the world war as one between the Philippines and Indo would be."

ONE used the UK to suck in Irish and Canadian fighters during both of its attacks upon North America to awesome effect. And ONE forming some sort of NAP with both Croatia and Greece then going on to attack Croat and Greek allies is a perfect analogy with what's happening in Irelan😛 forming a "peace" with Ireland only in order to bolster the UK for an eventual attack against Terra armies stationed on the Continent. All of which perfectly illustrates the tactical significance of the UK: ONE is obviously creating a NAP with Ireland - just as they did with Croatia and Greece - in order to attack Terra, our true allies.

Sly hoors.

No offence to you but you're wrong. If you really spent much time in Ireland you would see that it is ICA/IA>>Bulgaria>>Anyone else fighting there atm. ICA is now stronger than any MU in Ireland/UK/Canada so it is more than just considerable. If we put DO on an Irish RW then it is ICA doing the majority of the damage. I'm here running it everyday so I'd know.

EDEN/France lost possession of the UK because of ONE mobile armies in London. That was not connected to Ireland. ONE are resurgent and you simply cannot see this. If Ireland NE UK right now we will lose the NE battles and our country. I assure you of that.

Also, you think the gangbang of Bulgaria is somehow a great thing for EDEN? EDEN and Terra are going to lose EVERYWHERE ELSE because of that. You are putting way too much emphasis on something as irrelevant as the Ire-UK peace instead of the real factors in all of this. UK has no "tactical significance" whatsoever and it's funny to suggest they do. Serbia don't need UKs help to walk through France. I would not bet on USA having it all their own way against FYROM either.

Also, I was the one who planned and organised UK not having a congress 3 months in a row so I think I might know something about what capabilities each country involved have, and whether it can be sustained with-

1- France losing ground in UK because of Serbia.

2- A ONE resurgence because of the flipping of Bulgarian damage giving UK a comfortable advantage over Ireland in NE battles.

3- Canada completing it's descent into being without question the most retarded country in the game.

UK is going to be freed no matter what Ireland does.

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"No offence to you but you're wrong. If you really spent much time in Ireland you would see that it is ICA/IA>>Bulgaria>>Anyone else fighting there atm. ICA is now stronger than any MU in Ireland/UK/Canada so it is more than just considerable. If we put DO on an Irish RW then it is ICA doing the majority of the damage. I'm here running it everyday so I'd know."

I am more or less there everyday so I have an inkling of what I'm talking about. If as much as 5% of BHs go to members of the ICA I'd be surprised. I'm sure the actual damage the ICA inflict is way more than that, but the most likely scenario is it would still poll the Irish contribution as 3rd or 4th.

"EDEN/France lost possession of the UK because of ONE mobile armies in London."

Not strictly true. France lost London (after holding it for 4 months!!) because the Serbs opened a front against them and the French had to NE them, this meant defending London was nigh on impossible. I'm sure the "mobile armies" had an impact, but it was more that the French MUs were concentrating resources against the Serbs.


"ONE are resurgent and you simply cannot see this. If Ireland NE UK right now we will lose the NE battles and our country. I assure you of that."

Why you think I'm unaware ONE is resurgent beats me. I realise this. I fight all over the Continent against them everyday and have done for months, so I realise which way the wind is blowing.

Secondly, stating outright that the Irish would lose any conflict against the UK when Ireland have been successfully subduing the UK for months seems not a little short-sighted. As I've said before, Ireland is not alone. And just like in every single other campaign between EDEN/Terra-ONE, the allied country can expect assistance.

Considering this assistance has been plentiful these last few months, why is it you think its suddenly about to dry up?

What happened to Bulgaria is now making Teden loose ground. Same as when Turkey went to Teden. Only very good diplomatic action can combine nations that do hate each other in one alliance. I think it has given 3 months of good resuults to Teden with Turkey on their side. Now I think the harvest will come for One.

Only real new alliances can change this. irishbhoy1967 is smart to see what is in the interest of Ireland, not only on short time, but also on the longer run. For UK and Ireland this peace can be a win win situation. These are small nations that must see how to survive in the eworld where bigger nations are the main powers. UK is stronger than Ireland but a war between these nations will be decided by their allies (that is why ireland could occupy big parts of UK the last months). When Teden does not have enough support to spare for Ireland, Ireland would be doomed. With the NAP Ireland can survive.

"Also, you think the gangbang of Bulgaria is somehow a great thing for EDEN? EDEN and Terra are going to lose EVERYWHERE ELSE because of that."

No, don't know where your getting that from. Its unquestionably bad news which is common knowledge to everyone. I'm just stating the facts: that Bulgaria is a sinking ship. That would be were the smart money is tbh. I'm well aware that the removal of their influence from the EDEN-side has been the precipitate for ONE's current success, too.


"You are putting way too much emphasis on something as irrelevant as the Ire-UK peace instead of the real factors in all of this."

'in all of this'? I've stated succinctly and precisely in the original article the disadvantages of ceding Irish-held regions to the UK which was mooted in the talk of "peace". I haven't said anything about the Irish-UK peace as having a direct or motivating influence on what is going on elsewhere apart from the obvious effect it would have, both in the short- and longterm, to primarily France, but Terra generally.

Reading your responses you'd think the Irish-Canadian-French wiping of the UK has had ZERO strategic influence this last 4 months. If you think that what have you been doing in the UK all this time. Before the Terra/EDEN assault on Western Europe the status quo for as long as I can remember was Serb-Polish dominance over the French, meaning ONE was permantly encamped across the water from Ireland, the US, presenting a constant threat.

The wiping of the UK averted a potential assault against North America, allowing the US free reign to pulverize Spain. In this sense, keeping the UK wiped has been a huge strategic advantage.

"UK has no "tactical significance" whatsoever and it's funny to suggest they do. Serbia don't need UKs help to walk through France."

The defeatist attitude that France is doomed may be the most likely state of affairs, but perhaps not. The rest of your analysis only holds water if it does fall to the Serbs, and does so pretty quickly.

If it doesn't - and the French with EDEN/Terra-assistance - can hold off the Serbs for an appreciable length of time, then the longer the UK can be suppressed to ensure they don't open up another front against the French across the Channel is the optimum strategy to pursue.


"I would not bet on USA having it all their own way against FYROM either."

No definitely not. The point is: the US is better equipped to slow them down.

Like I said, I've only organised the occupation of the UK for four months, what would I know eh? Clearly no point arguing with you because you know better. The fact you think that it is anything other than Ireland and Bulgaria as 1 and 2 in Irish RWs gives me the feeling you arent talking about the same game as I am, specially when you think Romania and USA do more in those battles lol

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"Peace" apparently lets the UK entirely off the mat, with all their natural territories restored, and threatening Canada, the US, and Ireland.

Doubts?

The UK, new congress intact, (including Dishmcds, the UK leader who first led the UK into "neutrality", inviting Hungary and a host of other Phoenix nations into the US, Canada and Ireland) is now fighting 3 new RW's. One each against Ireland, Canada, and France.

Was in the agreement?

Well-played, Ireland and Canada.

Better played, Dishmcds.

The UK is back, with a vengeance. And if you believe anything they say, I have a Bridge in Brooklyn I'd like to sell you.

Oh, well. The damage is done. Welcome back, Dishmcds, Duke of Dublin.

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A pity you couldnt have published this in Ireland, as you got more of an explanation from ol' Paulie Walnuts up there^ than anyone IN Ireland has had.
Go figure....

....and ONE/UK have done exactly what I predicted they woul😛

http://www.erepublik.com/en/military/battlefield/24022