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=O im missing, harsh!

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Point to make out guys: If you are missing from the list, its not because we don't love you (apart from him ^), its because not all our members work in IA companies - some are self-supply or are new.

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Wut Seanan said 😁^ send me a message or leave a comment if you're missing and/or feeling unloved.

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Hi, its a nice training division and all. Where are the non-shit people?

😁^Not there😁😁

"Soldiers are encouraged to work in IA companies but it is not essential. Only soldiers who work receive supplies."

I think we, as a nation, would be stronger if we gave up on this policy.

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Starkad Rorlikson: While I disagree we'd be stronger (we'd be the IDF), you defo would be richer.

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@Starka😛 I'm willing to listen if you've got some ideas. Make a post on the forums because it was something Digits talked about and sounded interesting. Supplies will be reserved solely for those who work though for the foreseeable future.

@Moonbeam: After what I saw you do in the Ukraine we would be mad to leave you out 😃 IA forever.

Seanan: Once again you are shooting down a perfectly valid point based on the fact that you dont like me, thus preventing a stronger IA.
Ireland will never change i guess.

Top of the list baby !

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@Neph

I didnt follow the migration to the new forums.

My point is basically....they are plenty of reasons why someone would not want to work in an IA commune. Right now, these people are not being equipped even though they are regularly paying taxes. This is untapped potential which, if unused, will make it harder for us to defend ourselves

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Glad to be a part of this awesome group!

I am there now! I am happy again! Thanks. 🙂.

I'm not missing... well impressed!

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why publish it if you acknowledge it isn´t complete ..

add my name when your ready there

far as i know i havent been dismissed......

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"Ireland will never change i guess."...oh lawd..

Name isn't there either, sound 😉

Also
Free Market:

Guru** - ~22IEP = 3 Q5 Food per day.

Irish Army
Guru** - ~4IEP = 8 Q5 Food and 2 Q4 Weapons.

I'll let you do the math on damage.

Alternatively, with a bit more funding from the Irish Government, acquiring the Q5 Weapon company, the IA could possibly give 300 Food and 2 Q5 weapons. (It is doable just a bit more initiative from the IA HQ needed)

Not sure what your point isto be honest, but your calculation is lacking validity....Q5 food is terribly overpriced on the irish market, right now the best food to buy is Q3.

I already proposed to lower food import taxes to 0%.

MY NAME IS seanlynch, not Sean lynch !!!!!

*updated with new names and missing soldiers, this is proving to be a great way to see who is active and interested o7

@Starka😛 What? I don't dislike you. I just think you are looking out for your own interests, with corroboration with the IA's.

The only production cost is wages.
All the benefits of production go to the IA workers.
Unlike the market - you can not out compete a commune on price.
The wages are too small.

Even if Q5 is overpriced
You still are looking at obtaining 30-50 health with a private sector wage, and 80-260 health with weapons while with the Irish Army.

Even with a tax of 0%, private sector would need to have lower wages than MINIMUM WAGE and get all their RM for free. Otherwise, the price on the market is going to be more than IA production costs.

There is no way around that.

"What? I don't dislike you. I just think you are looking out for your own interests, with corroboration with the IA's"

You are implying that I am selfish - even worse, selfish on expense of society - and that, on top, I am dishonest about my "real" motives. I am sorry, but it is obvious that you seem to have a very bad opinion about me. I dont see how dialogue would be possible if every of my arguments is being dragged down to a personal level.

Its ironic how everytime something goes wrong, I am being blamed for not having said something or gotten involved earlier...while at the same time, everytime I am saying something, or trying to get involved...I am being shot down based on ignorance and bad blood.

You guys keep running your shop the way you do, but dont come crying about how nobody warned you guys when everything breaks apart.
I frankly dont care anymore....you guys have managed to drive so many people out of this country, or even the game, that I am guessing it doesnt really matter any longer.

"The only production cost is wages.
All the benefits of production go to the IA workers.
Unlike the market - you can not out compete a commune on price.
The wages are too small."

You are wrong on all of these, bar number two.

And before the mudslinging begins, google "opportunity cost" and you will know why you were wrong.
If what you googled doesnt make sense to you, feel free to contact me and I'll elaborate.

@Starka😛 the people who don't want to work in the IA are welcome to be a member still. We don't have the productivity to supply people who don't work, it is just unsustainable.
The taxes these people pay go toward MPPs and funding the companies and building their stocks. The companies are optional and in time of need will be there, up an running, in the event of an emergency. The taxes are paying for security and infrastructure and they are being well spent.

It really won't be the end of the world if things did break apart so I don't think there will be any tears shed to be honest. If it does fall apart, for whatever mysterious reason(s), then things will just return to normal market conditions again.

Needless to say the IA is functioning very well and supplying soldiers regularly with more than they could buy on a job market wage.(as pointed out by OJ) Whatsmore is we are ranking up new players faster as well as they receive far more supplies than they would be able to afford normally.

woot im there 😃

Well Neph,

all I am saying that it could function a whole lot better. If what we have is good enough for you....your call. The brits are gonna be coming soon enough.

Any updates on when we will start the "National Guard" military unit for the 2-clickers or people who - for whatever reason - won't or can't get involved in the Irish Army (e.g. those who can't move for missions abroad)?

Starka😛 You are correct. I do view you as an opportunist, while I can see why you find that offensive, I've have since stop viewing it as an insult, and rather standard practise among a good many of Ireland.

When I've been attacked constantly for giving my bit into making a system more effective than the IDF, and nearly all of those critics come from those heavily involved in the private sector. You may forgive me if I think personal interest plays a large part in your reasoning.

I haven't drove anyone from Ireland. The constantly mudslinging between left and right winged camps did it. Gonzo, cast and the like have purposely created unrest in order to undo governments they dislike, or stab at people they dislike. Wannabe-politicians is the problem in Ireland. "You guys" says Im in a camp, but I aint, I just disagree with bad ideas.

I'm going to give you some figures, and you can mail me or post how the private sector can make it cheaper:

*ratio of grain workers to food worker gives a slight excess grain

5 employees in Grain = 20IEP per day
1 employee in Q5 Food = 6IEP per day
Production = 85 Q5 units per day
Production cost of 1 Q5 = 0.305IEP

10 Q5 units produced per troop = 3.05IEP
Cost of 1 Q5 on market = 5.99IEP
Cost of 10 Q5 on market = 50.99IEP

IA = 3.05 IEP
Market = 50.99 IEP


I look forward to seeing how you can make the private sector cheaper than the IA with your concept of Opportunity cost.

@Seanan: Production costs will drop rapidly once the private sector can get access to those workers who are now chain-ganged in the communes. The only reason why eIreland has so insanely high wages is simple: There are no workers.

Get some more people to join, shut down the communes and we have more workers, thus lower wages, making the private industry profitable again (right now it isn't) and enabling it to provide quality gear to the troops at a fair price.

The IA and communes are just another tool in the tool-kit of total governmental control.

You're either in or you're left behind.

Private sector job wages will not fall below minimum wage Reichenbacher, not only is it not possible but even with an extra 50 workers in the private sector jobs are really not that highly seeked after... Anywhere in the world.

I have just detailed the bare minimum cost of any company. Even if we assume the private sector works at minimum wage, once they add their own price to get profit, then they are working at a higher production cost than the IA.

In Ireland we have to be efficient, we do not have the numbers or funds to enjoy the privilege of buying from the market.

"I think we, as a nation, would be stronger if we gave up on this policy."

Thats why your not in the IA command or any army for that, you dont know how to run an efficent army.

>A point to make:

You assumed I give a toss about whether or not the private sector makes a decent profit.

I do not: the Irish Army is about protecting Ireland's sovereignty. Not its business.

Also:
"Production costs will drop rapidly once the private sector can get access to those workers who are now chain-ganged in the communes."

> "once"

Not in a life time, not until Ireland is larger the US.

Also, way to ruin a good article Stark, you dont even bother to register on the forum where alot of discussion happens about the IA but you spam the hell out of the articles saying your running it wrong. Can I say fool please, yes you fool

>>> I do not: the Irish Army is about protecting Ireland's sovereignty. Not its business.

aka "I want to maintain the status quo where everyone is at my command, I can develop my career at the expense of everyone else and look good doing so".

It's the usual exitus acta probat argument the commune and paramilitary guys spill out. Who's your Emmmanuel Goldstein? Britain, right?

Someone is clever. Unfortunately, the Irish Army does as the Country President says. We are an effective tool of the government, and as such the last 3 governments have seen how much more cost-effective it is.

My interest in furthering my career can only be matched by your financial interest in seeing us return to military supplies brought from the market , correct?

Difference is, if I "look good" by protecting the best thing to happen to the Irish people, then my "status quo" is well deserved.

Although would like to point out: Your take on what I meant by "I do not: the Irish Army is about protecting Ireland's sovereignty. Not its business." truly is odd.

We aren't the Ministry of Finance or trade, what else you expect from us?

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@Seanan

First you call me an opportunist, and secondslater you claim "I havent driven anyone from eIreland" ?? Seriously, think about it for just a second, dont you the former might play a role in the latter?
You blame the mudslinging, but you happily add fuel to the fire.

As for your example....Ill get down and do the maths right after finishing this comment.

@Marcus

I was registered on the old irish forum until you guys abandonded it. Are my points not good enough for you because I bring them forward in here, rather than on the forum? You guys claim that every voice is heard,and that there is no crownyism going on, but yet why does all of thishere smell so badly of a little boys club?
No IA soldier....no right for opinion. No commune worker, no right for an opinion. Not forum registered....no right for an opinion.

Heil eIreland. Goosestepping forward into the 21st century with "the best Irish army we ever had"....im sure our enemies tremble.

Thats what I said, Starkad. I had the lovely experience of watching former political opponents come together in unity, and those who didnt? Its ironic you mention an old boys club.

I ain't mudslinging, it is what it is. You prefer I dress it up?