India step by step – 1 - Viswamitra
Day 3,016, 04:58
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by Patanjali
Oṃ bhūr bhuvaḥ svaḥ
Om Poornamadah Poornamidam, Poornat Poornamudachyate Poornasya, Poornamadaya Poornamevavasishyate.
What is whole, this is whole; what has come out of the whole is also whole. When the whole is taken out of the whole, the whole still remains whole.
I will try to talk about different ideas that came to my knowledge, regarding India. Those ideas that made me to appreciate so much the ancient wisdom of this country and her people.
Sure, like always, I will ask you to correct me, when I’m wrong, and to develop the subjects, because I don’t know so much about the subjects (living there give you a better perception of the whole and make it much more easy for you to understand subjects and/or to know sources about whom I’m ignorant).
Thank you, in advance, for the time and patience you will share with me.
Ramayana was one of the first books that I read related to India, and from that, the story of Viswamitra was one of a great impact on me.
Especially the episode when he create a new Universe.
That (I was a child back then) got a huge impact on me, because was depicting a Human who confronted the God’s and … succeed to overcome them. Imagining the Deva’s praying to him to give up to he’s creation, was one of the most interesting moments in the lecture of Ramayana.
God’s fearing the deeds of a human. It was so close to the myth of Prometheus but the end was different, because here, in Ramayana I meant, it was not the God’s to prevail, but the Man, and God’s where those to beg the Man to let them live.
This episode is quite singular (in Ramayana too) because after that, the same Viswamitra is seen doing Tapas and dedicate it to Shiva, so instilling the thought of a Man subordinated to a God.
Generally, in ancient scriptures (Indians) this is the way for man’s to attain some Bonne from God’s.
The meeting between Viswamitra and Vasishtha is another interesting episode in this story.
An egocentric King, proud of he’s might meet a recluse sage who could offer for the King and he’s attendants an abundant meal. So, the King wanted to take, first, and then to steal, the source of this abundance. A sacred cow.
Because he did not succeed, he start the penance, in order to gain more power than the sage, and could defeat him and take he’s cow (an archetype of the story of Milarepa).
After the penance, dedicated to Shiva, he receive from the God all the weapons (of the Devas, Gandharvas, Rishis, Yakshas and the Asuras), which he used against the sage. Still, all those weapons, who made the world to tremble, could not defeat the sage, and this was the ultimate proof of the mighty of spirit against matter.
Such a story, of condition of man related to God’s made me to further dig into the India ancient text’s to discover the gems of wisdom and to understand the ways and goals of life.
Sure, the love story from the Ramayana got a big importance for me, considering the age I was back then, but this is another story
Waiting for your opinions on this matter, the relation and position between Man and God’s (if you think God’s exist), I invite to a talk in the eAshram.
Meri shubhkaamanaaye aapke saath hai !
Om Poornamadah Poornamidam, Poornat Poornamudachyate Poornasya, Poornamadaya Poornamevavasishyate.
What is whole, this is whole; what has come out of the whole is also whole. When the whole is taken out of the whole, the whole still remains whole.
I will try to talk about different ideas that came to my knowledge, regarding India. Those ideas that made me to appreciate so much the ancient wisdom of this country and her people.
Sure, like always, I will ask you to correct me, when I’m wrong, and to develop the subjects, because I don’t know so much about the subjects (living there give you a better perception of the whole and make it much more easy for you to understand subjects and/or to know sources about whom I’m ignorant).
Thank you, in advance, for the time and patience you will share with me.
Ramayana was one of the first books that I read related to India, and from that, the story of Viswamitra was one of a great impact on me.
Especially the episode when he create a new Universe.
That (I was a child back then) got a huge impact on me, because was depicting a Human who confronted the God’s and … succeed to overcome them. Imagining the Deva’s praying to him to give up to he’s creation, was one of the most interesting moments in the lecture of Ramayana.
God’s fearing the deeds of a human. It was so close to the myth of Prometheus but the end was different, because here, in Ramayana I meant, it was not the God’s to prevail, but the Man, and God’s where those to beg the Man to let them live.
This episode is quite singular (in Ramayana too) because after that, the same Viswamitra is seen doing Tapas and dedicate it to Shiva, so instilling the thought of a Man subordinated to a God.
Generally, in ancient scriptures (Indians) this is the way for man’s to attain some Bonne from God’s.
The meeting between Viswamitra and Vasishtha is another interesting episode in this story.
An egocentric King, proud of he’s might meet a recluse sage who could offer for the King and he’s attendants an abundant meal. So, the King wanted to take, first, and then to steal, the source of this abundance. A sacred cow.
Because he did not succeed, he start the penance, in order to gain more power than the sage, and could defeat him and take he’s cow (an archetype of the story of Milarepa).
After the penance, dedicated to Shiva, he receive from the God all the weapons (of the Devas, Gandharvas, Rishis, Yakshas and the Asuras), which he used against the sage. Still, all those weapons, who made the world to tremble, could not defeat the sage, and this was the ultimate proof of the mighty of spirit against matter.
Such a story, of condition of man related to God’s made me to further dig into the India ancient text’s to discover the gems of wisdom and to understand the ways and goals of life.
Sure, the love story from the Ramayana got a big importance for me, considering the age I was back then, but this is another story
😃.
Waiting for your opinions on this matter, the relation and position between Man and God’s (if you think God’s exist), I invite to a talk in the eAshram.
Meri shubhkaamanaaye aapke saath hai !
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I'm not particularly fond of the Ramayana, mainly because it's mostly seen through a patriarchal & religious lens.
Vishwamitra, however is a character that always appealed to me on various levels. He was a kshatriya - from the warrior caste, who challenged the caste system & the hierarchy of Brahmanism.
My surname happens to be Mitra & as per Hindu tradition, it's supposedly descended from Vishwamitra. Heheh so I've always maintained that there's a rebel instilled in my blood. xD
Thanks for sharing (as I told you, we get to know each other better and better - still longing for that chai).
For romanians (and slavs) MItra is the sign of power, be it religious or military 😃.
However, I eagerly wait your comment on the next "step". A surprise to whom you "MUST" particpate .
In hindi, mitra means friend or ally to be more exact. Heh funny how words carry different connotations that can be so vastly apart.
Hhahaha.. Sama here, Mitra mean partner in bahasa Indonesia
Ramayana story quite famous in Indonesia,
I think I will have some questions for you too 😃
Sure, i will answer as long as i can o/
well what can i say sage Marius ... except that its quite interesting to see your perspective on storie sthat we have known since childhood... its very interesting and quite insightful too since I never thought of it the way you have done!
It is indeed incredible to witness the victory of a human over the Gods but then Indra and his cohorts were a strange bunch... probably more of demi Gods than pure Gods since Indra does seem falliable to vices and has had episodes of jealousy and fear of losing his throne as the king of the heavens.
perhaps the moral is that a human could ascend to Godhood given the right effort and conditions and that even the Gods are not safe in their thrones. The only exceptions curiously being Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva - the three primary Gods who seem to have this aura of being way higher and being inaccesible/unbeatable.
You tempt me, Sharad dear 😃.
I mean, the answer to that should have been another step (I got a plan with those steps, you know 🙂
From Indian wisdom I learnt that Humans are above Gods and, also, that Gods (Spirits) do exist.
Talking about God (or Gods) like about concepts is one thing, knowing they are spirits (Purusha) on a higher level, but unable to go further (because them own condition do not allow it) is another thing.
So, yes, I do find a lot (the greatest) humanity, in the modern sens of the concept, in ancient Indian wisdom.
But those are stories to be told ... 🙂
indeed my friend! indeed! 🙂