Indestructibe Bond [BE/NL Relationship]
Konrad Neumann
There are a lot of talks about new alliances and it has become a hot topic not only for eBelgium but in eRep as a whole. While I am not going to talk about which alliance combination is the best, I do have personal bias for a certain few countries. However, regardless of our course of action be it joining an alliance or remain neutral, we should not forget a constant ally and friend of the Belgian people.
The Dutch and the Belgian shared a long but at times troubled history. However, the Belgian Dutch experience creates a special bond that few countries experiences. While I am not an expert in eUNL history, but the union between the Dutch and the Belgians was formed out of necessity. For small countries faces many problems from PTO's to threats of invasions. The union of the Dutch and the Belgian peoples created something beautiful in which both parties benefited politically, economically, and more importantly, created a strong bond.
We hold the people we love to a much higher and tougher standard. For we care about them so much and we expect them to be more or less "perfect". There is love between the Belgians and the Dutch and like all love stories, there are frustrations. There are peoples in both community that points to faults in each other. The Dutch thinks eBE is not as neutral as it can be while the Belgians points out that NL had an illegal TW against the Belgians. These issues are small issues and the pain it cause is great. The frustration and anger is less on the deed itself but the break and violation of trust and expectations. In each case, I think our communities overcome. While we hurt each other at times, we are there for each other in our times of need. The Dutch worked soundlessly and with great diligence to prevent PTO's from the G50 as well as the LCC. The British never showed up despite of their promises. The Belgians fought hard and valiantly after the Hungarian fiasco (which ONE abused Belgian Trust) for Dutch sovereignty
Like in my past articles, the BE/NL relationship is summed up best as a brother-sister/ sibling relationship. There will always be disagreements but in the end, there is a special bond that will overcome short term disagreement in dire situation. For it is not just emotional rhetoric or bleeding heart emotional crap, it is in both countries interest to continue to maintain this special relationship. Despite alliances etc, both countries are there for each other. Despite rhetoric of hardliners like NLSP or Auggy etc, there is a vested interest in the bond for throughout history, it is the only real relationship and help that both country can depend on with a certainty.
There are some that supports the idea of a new union. However there are some problems with this plan. While I do see the benefits and I do want to see a union one day, many of the issues today prevents it. Mainly the Dutch problems with the Pole's occupation of Dutch regions is one of the biggest obstacles for the Belgians do not want to go against the Poles but the occupation of Dutch lands is not a choice or something the Dutch people truly accepts. Another problem is national pride. While there is love between the two countries, pride and nationalism is another factor that many are not able to overcome. Both countries are proud of their traditions and their country to a point that it is hard on the political level as it is hard to give up their sovereignty. Name is an issue for United Netherlands or United Belgium are not neutral names. These names suggest dominance of one party which will antagonize the nationalist. If there is going to be a union, it needs to have a neutral name like that of the German-Danish union, Germark. That is why like my past article, something like Nethergium is needed. Sadly, Nethergium does not sound nice and it is a bit long. So maybe we should call it the Union of Belgium/Netherlands (UBN) for short...
Until the day that the Union of Belgium/Netherlands comes, governments of both sides should not take this special relationship for granted. While they can choose which ever alliance they want to join or not join, they need to keep in mind that we do get each other's back. For we do share a common history, a common interest, and a special relationship that few other countries experience.
Comments
Long may our friendship endure!
Hail the Union of the Low Countries! 😉
Better Tomorrow. :>
great article
Very good read man 🙂
Very well written!
this a very strange article since the only special relatipnship there is between the netherlands and belgium is that of a coward, backstabbing nl that caused belgium problems. the only way that we can be united is when belgium invades the netherlands. the netherlands are a problem for us and this one-sided propaganda wil let our players forget the damages that nl caused. we should take a stance against them...
I totally support this article.
As for NLSP's comment, that's only his opinion. Not the one of all eBelgians with some common sense.
Olv007, it is strange to think that you or Konrad represents all eBelgians with some common sense.
Some people would even call claiming or suggesting such thing, as you did, arrogant .....
You can disagree from opinion from me, but you have to be a liar in order to claim that everyone that shares my opinion about the matter has no common sense.
NLSP, I don't care about your opinion. But I strongly disagree with you speaking in the name of all eBelgians without consulting them. You know damn well that almost nobody is following you but yet you speak in their name, just to try to mislead us. But hey, it's not like the whole eBE community doesn't know what a freakish kid you are.
I'm sorry, but I can not see where I pretend to speak in the name of all eBelgians.
It is however always fun to attack the person instead of the message, instead of giving arguments why my opinion is according to you wrong, you claim that all eBelgians with some common sense doesn't agree with me, you call me a freakish kid...
Is it to much asked to speak about the content?
wow, me agreeing with NLSP... shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit
The dutch may have helped us with LCC and a few other "trivial" matter that we could have easily handled ourselves, but doesn't compensate all the times they tried to invade us and the problems they gave us.
The only bond we have with the dutch is one where they say "help us when we're weak so we can conquer you when we're back on our feet"
these are clearly personal vendetta's against (rl?) Netherlands since the people who were responsible for hostilities against BE haven't been in the government for several terms ... besides I still not see the terrible damage which has been done.
DEY TOOK OUR JERBS!!
MaartenW: ' the people who were responsible for hostilities against BE haven't been in the government for several terms'
If I look to who was in eNL congress during these times and voted for declaring eBe as NE, therefore being responsible for the attacks, then I can only notice that a lot of names of these people still keep appearing, again and again....
We need MPPs .. !!!
I totally agree with NLSP on this issue
-They speak dutch with a funny accent and don't bother learning it properly
-They ruin the peace and quite on our campings
-They use our roads but refuse to pay road taxes
-They come to our regions and buy up our houses
-they allow Garmr, who was sentenced by President shadow to work in our salt mines, to roam freely without extraditing him.
-DEY TOOK OUR JERBS!!!
I say we take back what's ours! I say we invade eNL and make a "United Belgianlands"
Cheers for Shadowukcs!!!
o7
My opinion: If we want to talk about a bond between our countries, an MPP would be a good idea.
Since I've only been a citizen in eRep for little over a month I can not comment on things in the past. I do however see that mistakes were made that have left scars in the relationship between two countries. Whatever happened in the past should stay there, there's a lot of new players signing up in this game day after day that do not have been part of past mistakes and look to Belgium as their friends irl and ingame. Don't let grudges over the past hold back opportunities for the future.
+1 Misanthropist... Though I'm not shure eBe is ready to take on ePoland! 😉
As for a "special link", I think it is true, we do share a common history.
Also, we share language and part of the community of both eCountries come from across the border in RL.
Apart from the history part and the help in the last PTO, we also have a special link with eFrance and eUK:
Many players from RL Belgium in those eCountries, many players from those eCountries (or RL countries) in eBelgium.
... And we speak their language too!
I don't speak Dutch.
A union between Belgium and the Netherlands is a bad idea, in my humble opinion. We have been independent and neutral long enough to develop our own political culture, one not dominated by the Dutch, as it was before.
The best way to move forward is as independent countries, MPP'd but exercising self-determination, just as it has been for the past 2 years.
This Grand Experiment called eBelgium shall not perish from the Earth!
i like this article.this article is great.
my vote.
Interesting
We where united with the dutch once, we ended up being their bitch
so no thanks, no union for me. unless it's them being our bitch
shadowukcs you know that is bullshit ThomasRED has been CP most terms in UNL and the BelgianPartij had sometimes over 50% in congress, the only reason eUNL stopped existing was because other countries freed the regions for PTO of Belgium
@maartenw:
If the only reason Belgium was freed was for a PTO, why have we remained independent for 2 years?
c'est un vieux couple cette union faite de tensions, mais dans l'adversité, les liens se ressoudent.
- ils nous ont aider dans des guerres pour refermer celles-çi
- pour nous éviter des PTO
mais du coté querelles de ménage : on a eu droit à une NE non-attendue...
helaas pindakaas ;_;