In Memory of Cleomynestra Cathak
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by Nosyt
As many of you may already know, the former leader of the CSD, Cleomynestra Cathak has departed from the eWorld. Most players leave the game peacefully, simply because they are bored of it or they have things they need to deal with in real life. Poor Cleo was granted no such luxury and was driven out of the game after receiving hate mail during the presidential election. I would have expected this sort of thing to happen to someone branded as a separatist, or some Hungarian trying to get into congress, but a great eCanadian like her was a true shock indeed. The basic reason for her leaving was because some immature player thought they’d have a little fun. But the deeper reason was simply a lack of respect in general. Cleomynestra did nothing to offend anybody other than run an unsuccessful presidential election, which in my opinion isn’t that large of a sin. This election has revealed to me that there exists a deep seated hatred between the CSD and CEP. In hopes of preventing any more great eCanadians from falling victim to this unchecked hatred I plea that those with influence within their parties do their part in promoting respect between parties so that we can all work together rather than against each other in order to create that perfect eCanada that is every politicians dream.
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I could not agree more, I have tried to push for a greater cooperation between the CEP and CSD in the past but, in this election in particular, I was turned away and refused this cooperation.
I commend you on your efforts for unity, but what I'm asking for is that party members are taught to respect party members of the opposition the same way they would respect fellow party members. That perfect eCanada that we all dream about is most certainly not the same thing in everybody's mind, which is why politicians argue what is best for the country, which is an important part of government and is also why it so easily becomes personnel. I'm sure when there is a disagreement within the party, you are able to resolve the issue peacefully and I just hope that the same thing can be achieved when other parties interact as well.
Whereas Cleo donated everything she had to the SCOTIA organization, I move that the Q2 DS to be placed in Newfoundland be christened the Cleomynestra Cathak Memorial Defense System.
Your kidding? This is the PM's response? Not my fault? They started it? Come on, a month old CEP'er writes a hatchet job on Cleo and is roundly criticized for it by the eCanadian community, yet he is promoted by you to Speaker over Vincent Chaotic founder of SCOTIA? It just makes you tired all over watching it.....
Agreed the Pm was a little bit ridiculous but isn`t branding her a `Great eCanadian`a little bit too much?
I'm curious what makes a great canadian to you?
Vincent I agree that the defense be christened after her, it's my understanding she was a big help with it.
She never talked too much.
Well my qualifications for great eCanadian are quite simple to meet 😛. I consider someone great when they've been able to contribute to eCanadian society, and being an active player for such a long period of time, and her involvment in politics, that's enough to make someone earn the title "Great" from me.
Perhaps she was not very active in eCanada but you should see the CSD forums. I won't say that they're loaded with her posts but she was quite active never the less and a more than capable leader.
I concur, she was a great eCanadian.
I didn't get involved with much of the political side before she helped me along.
Fair enough, but by your logic Dean22 would be great and so would Adam Sutler. My definition of someone who is great would be someone who spends the time to post on the forum and IRC, Someone who can spend the time to get involved in eCanadian lives, Someone who is able to rise and lead and bring eCanada to brighter days.
But hey everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
Cleo,
We had some good private communications when we met in Congress. It was nice that we could put all of the opposing parties bullcrap aside and discuss what was truly good for Canadian citizens. Although our discussions didn't yet have time to flourish, I am sure that we could have help eliminate the unneeded bad blood between our parties.
I will gladly resume these private talks with any CSD Party Member as a sign of good faith, to help avoid similar situations in the future.
Sincerely,
Ralph de Ver
CEP Deputy Party President
Now that's the kind of cooperation I'm looking for 😃! WOOT!
@Nosyt: Yeah, I thought I'd break the string of "doom and gloom" comments. But I'm serious about the invitation.
Naming it the Cleo Memorial Defense System? It's not like she died.
Here, here! to good intentions. While I never got to know much about Cleo while she was here, it sounds like she made a good impression on those whom she met with. It's an unfortunate loss to eCanada.
I'd just like to say that during her time as Party President, she breathed new life into the CSD and is the reason I've become far more involved in in affairs. I'm certain that others were touched by her ability to encourage activeness and that is a contribution that I am sad she will be unable to witness.
I am disappointed in the Prime Minister's the response of just passing the blame around. I think you should take some responsiblity for your parties actions.
She made a good impression on me, that was certain. There simply wasn't enough time for her to handle all of the attention she was receiving. I know I was messaging with her several times a day trying to aid her in her campaign and get some organization into the CSD party. There were several other members of CSD doing this, and many many more non-party members overflowing her inbox with deals, counter-deals, deceptions, slander, back-stabbing, and a whole boatload of nonsense. It was too much for her!
I only realized what we lost when she said her one and only goodbye.
The head of any organization is ultimately responsible for the actions of the organization and the actions of its members. The buck has to stop some where and rightfully it is with the one in charge. As we do not know who actually sent the msg to Cleo, some may suspect that it was some one from CEP but would they be correct, I do not know. If it was then Bruck would have some responsibility in this but with out knowing for sure it would be unfair to dump it in his lap.
What each party leader should do including Bruck is inform their membership that unacceptable conduct will not be tolerated and there would be consequences including being booted from the party.
I'm hardly "Passing the blame"
How can anyone be sure the email was sent by a member of the CEP? There are dozens upon dozens of citizens who are not affiliated to a party that supported me in the last election. How can I be responsible for the actions of individuals let alone those of citizens not even in my party? The fact is no one can, not even me.
I however do not condone it in anyway and if I ever learn of a member of my parties plans to do something of this nature before hand I will endeavor to stop them. I simply hope the rest of the eCanadian political world does not see this as a new tool and norm in elections, I for one condone it.
1. I demand a Defense System be named after me as well..... I gave one to the government a while ago, can we call that one the "Reluctantly-Named Dominik Defense System:?
2. Cleo was not "great", she was "good", "moderately fine", "relatively ok" or "mildly decent". Adam Sutler and Dean22 both made my list of Great Canadians, and since I am the final word on everything, that's the way it is.
3. CEP vs. CSD has been going on for so long, it's fun to watch; kind of like Montague vs. Capulet..... hate mail is juvenile though.
4. I hate you all.
-Dominik
With leadership comes the need to develop a thick skin. Obviously Cleo didn't develop that skill. I'm not advocating the hate mail that was sent by others, but if you can't handle a few nasty letters, leadership isn't the place for you. Politics is a messy business. You sling mud, mud gets slung on you. Sadly, that's how the game works. The CSD will ultimately be better off without her. The CSD needs a leader, and despite everyone's best hopes, it wasn't Cleo.
Another example of co-operation, a CEP member (Saint Ziggy) stating that "The CSD will ultimately be better off without her". While the CSD mourn the leaving of Cleo the CEP shows just how callus people can be. Politics is as messy as people make it, why not sling facts instead of mud, offer alternatives instead of slander. It certainly is a benefit to have a thick skin but if it is a prerequisite for no other reason than all accept the way politics is practised than what legacy will we leave besides bitterness.
Great Canadian? No Comment.
Oh shut up Gofarman! you're the last person who should be making diggs on anyone!
Jesus, will you stop with the CND money scandal? Gofar has the same right to express his opinion as anyone else.
For me, Cleo wasn't a great eCanadian, she Was merely another politician, who was the leader of the CSD. Just tell me, what did she actually do for eCanada? I mean real deals, something that really changed it?
Well, i dont really see anyone jumping up and saying "its my fault"
so drop it, everyone seems to be giving Bruck a hard time about this, I didnt have the pleasure of talking to Cleo, and what happened to her really sucks big time, but its not something to tear this country apart for. I mean, if that A-Hole who sent the e-mails comes forward, than you will have someone to blame, untill then we all should keep our accusations to ourselves.
Or at least till we have some hard line evidence, but no one should be fighting over
The reason that so many people disliked her is due to her arrogance... Many people hated the fact that she thought that she could become president when she was not even active on forums/IRC, and had never been a particularly strong member of Government - she had never even written five articles!
However, it was wrong of people to send hate mail, and I am truly saddened by the fact that she left. She appeared to be a nice enough person, and should not have been forced to leave the game.
I do not think that she should be named a 'great eCanadian', as she never really did anything other than be a 'martyr', but she should be issued a public apology by those who insulted her.
This next bit is to Falling Moon: I would GREATLY appreciate it if you would stop insulting Gofarman. He was never completely proven guilty (despite my personal beliefs), and even if he was - it does not give you the right to be rude. You're making yourself appear even more childish than you are.
bruck. trying to convince the CSD to back you in an election is NOT cooperation. it is just you trying to gain support again
Trenton, I believe you're still a little bitter about being beaten so soundly by Cleo in the CSD Presidency election. At least the eCanadian presidency run was a little closer. Let it go and maybe you'll be on your way to becoming a "great" eCanadian.
Jack Bravo: I'm not speaking on any official capacity for the CEP. If Bruck did the same thing, I'd make the same comment. Someone sending you nasty email seems to be a silly reason to entirely drop out of eRepublik. I could see dropping out of politics. I can see getting out entirely if there's a lot going on in your personal life. To just up and leave because a handful of folks sent you nasty email isn't a sign of leadership. It's cowardace no matter what party you belong to! I'd be ashamed to be in the CEP if Bruck up and left us for the same reason.
Each of us are different and depending on the circumstances may react to things in our own way. She has left the game and I would think calling her a coward is uncalled for, when does the nastiness end. I would be ashamed to be a leader of any party that has members that do not know when it is time to stop attacking people. One can have their opinions on how great she was or was not but come on kicking some one when they are down is in my books going a tad over the line.
@ Girth I'm am over the fact she beat me during the PP elections, She beat so what time to look forward.
I'm just surprised by the fact that people are calling her a 'Great' eCanadian. When she really has not done anything for the country.
The issue isn't weather she was great or not, but that the CSD and CEP's struggle for power has gotten to the point that people would dare go to the extreme of sending hate mail.
But then again it is only 'Hate Mail' she could have just shrugged it off and continue with the election. Bruck gets hate mail all the time. (Most from me)
For being el Presidente
Ralph, I would be interested in your conversations
Sure thing, Duke. Drop a line any time.
@Trenton: You stated that branding someone "great" required said person to spend time and get involved with eCanadian lives. She may not have affected all lives but she's great to the people that she did get involved with. As you said, people are entitled to their opinions. She helped bring me back from near death, and helped me become an active member of the CSD...she donated massive amounts of time and money to people and organizations; but I can only speak for what she did for me and what she gave to SCOTIA...which benefits all of eCanada with defense and hospitals. She won't be great to everyone, but she was to me.
Hopefully, this is all behind us now.
hmm, Wish I could have known her.