Implementing "Exile a Citizen" - Call for papers
Zacharia Raven
Edit: Added a suggestion that Exile voting could be open for all (or level restricted) Citizens in the country, solving the PTOed congress - problem.
If you recived link to this article by me, I hope that you read this. I hope that you find this interesting, and would be interested in conducting a national research in your own country. I would appreciate at least answers to these questions:
- Should a country be able to exile citizens?
- Who should have the power to exile? (President, Congress, other?)
- How should the exile be able to be lifted? (Separate congressional voting, by president, by giving citizenship back?)
You can have more specific questions, but I wish that these main questions would be answered. You can also give your own extensive opinion in game to me, or if the message is too long, in eFinlands forum, here. Label the topic as "Answer to Exile a Citizen".
Summary
Many countries in eRepublik are or have been under serious PTO-threats because of malicious citizens. Some countries have faced long periods of total political occupation, which has caused dramatic loss in players. In real life these kind of operators have been exiled in many countries. Erepublik is a game, and a game has "grievers" and "trolls", who only wish to cause harm to other players. Currently the communities have no real enforcement to their national policies against these operators.
This article is the beginning of an international research, which will determinate the eCommunitys opinion whether a country should have an option to exile its citizens. This article will be sent to all country presidents of the eWorld, to the eUniversity leaders, and to some acclaimed reseachers around the world.
Introduction
I recently sent a ticket about implementing "Exile a Citizen" It went like this:
Hello.
As many countries like Finland and Norway are struggling with hostile political take-overs, I would like You to think about bringing a possibility to exile citizens. This possibility should be given to congress to vote for. It should be possible to exile multiple citizens at once.
Exiled citizen should not be able to request citizenship until his or hers exile is lifted, in another congressional voting. This would prevent hostile takeovers against countries of all size.
Thanks.
And the answer was this
Hello,
Thank you very much for taking time to send us your suggestions. We will take into consideration your opinion and we will see how we can implement these ideas to the current game strategy
I feel that we can do better than this. I believe, that the time to put the power of the researchers and leaders of countries into a real test. We can find out, what the presidents and normal citizens think about the possibility to exile a citizen, or multiple citizens at once.
Current situation
Current situation in many countries is, that they are under serious PTO-threat. In eFinland we are under such threat by hungarian operators, and their supporters. eUSA has also been under PTO-threat for a quite long time.
Countries have their own policies about immigration and acting within the community. They have forums, where they decide penalties for using impeach or natural enemy without general consensus. Also accepting foreigners without permission, which often is for a PTO-operation, is a common reason of censorship.
Communities and countries don't have enforcement for their rules from the game. A group of players, whose only goal is to admit more foreigners, or start impeaches and natural enemy votes, can keep doing those things, even when condemned by the community.
This means that the players who wish to play the game for the best of all have no ways to prevent grievers and trolls from ruining the game for all. This is not in the spirit of eRepublik laws.
Exiling a Citizen
A solution is giving the country a possibility to exile citizens.
This can be divided into exiling foreigners and exiling national citizens.
Foreigners
Exiling non-national citizens would be used to prevent PTO-operations. This would benefit all countries, despite of their size. By exiling multiple citizens at once, a country could eliminate their impending PTO-threat in one single voting.
Problem in this would be the countries that have already lost their country. This would be the ultimate weapon of PTO, too, because they could exile the national opposition.
National Citizens
Exiling national citizens would be used against those, who constantly break codes and rules of the community. By exiling them, countries national laws would be enforced, and trolling and grieving would become smaller problem.
Problem in this is, that if a there grievers and trolls already have enough big part of the congress/the CP, they could exile the "good guys". This would be their ultimate weapon too.
Affects of exile
Exiling would cause the exiled citizen to become a citizen of eRepublik: he/she could be located in countries and apply for a citizenship, and of course still train, fight and work and read articles, but he/she would not be able to join a party, vote in elections, or do anything that requires a citizenship.
In a way exile would be commnunitys own ban. They could ban a player, who wouldn't be banned by admins, but who cause much more problems than an average multi-maker.
Power to Exile
Currently congress has a possibility to start impeach and NE votings. This would make it logical for them to be able to exile a citizen, too. But since it is the ultimate sentence, it could be given to only the president. He would consult his government and congress, who could make the actual decision in forums or by some other way.
One solution that was brought up by a president is, that exile voting should be open to all citizens of a country. This would solve the PTO-ed congress problem. I find this a very good idea. This could also be level-restricted to prevent multies from voting.
Lifting an Exile
Exiles could be in effect until lifted in a separate voting, or they could be lifted by granting the citizenship by a congress member. To this I don't have a clear opinion, but I hope that researches decide one.
Conclusion
Exiling a citizen would bring more reality in to the game. It would help countries under PTO-threats, and also enforce national laws so, that those who only wish to harm others could be banned from the community.
Comments
Eka! Hieno idea kaikenkaikkiaan.
V+S
Voted and sub, great idea!!!
great idea, support
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support
But as you said, it can work both ways. Thus like us original eJapanese now struggle with serbs, while it can work in our favour it may very well work in their favour.
lol
Politics are played dirty in almost every eCountry and this will only give "both sides" a new weapon that will be used for their personal benefits. So this is a bad idea imo
So now let's assume this situation: PTO-ters gained power and have a majority in Congress plus the president is also from their faction. What then? First to exile will be most dangerous people of the native faction. Dramatic situation because every person struggling with PTO-ters will be exiled.
Another situation: one of the factions wins a majority in Congress, and position of president (no PTO threat). What stands in their way to got rid of the opposition parties by exile?
en español?
Fake reason.
There was an suggestion by a president, that exile should be voted by ALL citizens. Not just congress. It would prevent PTO-congress to exile "good ones".
But what if the PTO has gone so far, that the majority of citizens are PTO:ers?
but you still have sub from me
Now you went too far : / this is not the right way to defeat your political nemesises
zacharia is have mad for finlandic troll'ss 😃Dd
Good idea!
This is inspired by Finlands and Norways PTO-threats. Not by "my political enemies".
so would you agree that exiling a Finnish citizen, who can prove himself to be a Finn, could not be exiled?
Maybe voted for by citizens of Div 4 level only? To stop "eBabies" and multis from taking part - you have to have been playing for a fair time to get to Div 4 level, and to have invested quite a bit into playing the game. Also, would need to be a "super-majority" of those who take part in the voting (so two thirds in favor, not just a straight 50😵.
we are currently under a PTO threat. The same person that destroyed singapore now wants to destroy switzerland.
I think i'm against citizen exile because if the PTOer does gain power he/she could do the same thing to loyal patriots. I think it would be better for the political parties to have the power to accept or deny membership.
Here is my own article on the subject you would be free to republish is you wish:
The Cowards of Chaos
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/the-cowards-of-chaos-2186247/1/20
What rican says is only effective as long as the PTO is on a very low scale and doesn't have a top 5 party.
But nevertheless that would be a nice improvement
The problem with this idea is that if the PTOers do manage to get into power, or are currently in power, they can exile all ATOers which isn't too nice.
Eli norsunluutornille keino karkottaa maasta "spurdo", joka ei tanssi eliitin pillin mukaan? Ei jatkoon!
This is a very bad idea! Just too many chances for abuse. Look how citizenship has been abused.
Voted and sub, great idea!!!
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Great idea
It's a good idea, but it has to be implemented by erepublik, no irc-shit voting, and i like the idea about only level4 is allowed to vote. erep need a way to implement politics into the game itself, not using irc channels to make the big desicions. I, myself, won't join a irc-channel, i hate irc, period.
Interesting.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions
The argument that this would also give PTOers access to a powerful weapon after they have the majority of a congress (or the majority of the whole population of a country) seems very much invalid. Has there ever been a PTO that happened completely silently and sneakily? I don't think so. The natives have always become aware of it at a point earlier than that. The problem is that in cases where the PTO succeeded, it has already been too late to stop it, even though they were aware of it. Assuming the PTO-group has enough people, the point of no return is when there are enough PTOers with citizenship to get at least one of their own in the country's congress. This exile function would make it possible to stop it.
However, the argument that this could, and most likely would, be used against people for reasons other than a PTO attempt, is certainly something to consider.
I'd have to say goodbye to Finland if this happened.
Cool idea!
how about locking the "exiled" citizenships based on their RL i.p. address? That way the mechanic cannot be misused against political opponents.
Also I suggest a rotating list of the previous 3 country presidents, and a 2/3 vote is required to exile a hostile congressman and undo all their CS approvals.
"Death? Or... exile?"
"Death."
"Death it is. Death... by exile."
We still dont have a solution for the multiaccounts that the PTOers open 2 days before the election, then they get over 100 votes in the PTO party......after that the admmins say: "wait this are multi accounts" so they banned all the accounts but the result of the election was not modified because it tooke them 2 days to banned them. This already happend in Israel and the addmins didnt make anything to prevent that kind of problem.
Ei mitään karkotuksia. eiköhän ne kusipäät tiedä ketkä ne on tänne päästänytkin.
[Comic of The Day] Meanwhile in As*guard...
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/-comic-of-the-day-meanwhile-in-asguard--2202869/1/20
I like it! Excellent idea!
Voted!
I have received many, many answers from country presidents. There are many good points for and against exiles. I will analyze them in the next article.
You should be able to only exile people who RL have not the same citizenship then the eRep country. I don't think you will find PTO'rs from the same country then the one they try to PTO.
hei zakke. ei nyymid osaa midään engguu. 😃D
The first step towards getting rid of PTO'ers is to change the CS-rules..
In the real-world, you can't just get citizenship where you want, when you want it..
I wonder if a you-can-only-change-CS-once-a-month-rule wouldn't help with most of the problems..
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