I’m Boycotting the Forums - Updated Proposal
Day 2,045, 17:52
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by Aries Prime
DISCLAIMER: This is an independent statement by me, Aries Prime. This is by no means a statement by any other groups, people, or parties.
Sad that I have post up a disclaimer, right? I haven’t been involved in any of the recent political turmoil until very recently, and it is a good thing I didn’t get involved for as long as I could. Apparently our country is split, quite literally, into two sides. We have those that are pro-van Spijck and those that are pro-ElGorro. There is no middle ground. People that decide to stay neutral are inevitably dragged into the screaming match when any action they make is interpreted as supporting one side over the other.
Me clubbing it up with a few other uninvolved seals.
Obviously I stand by van Spijck. He has been a loyal friend to me and we have been working to make a bright future for Netherlands since I have come here 8 months ago. Let me also note that I am not Dutch, nor do I have any responsibilities or connections to this country other than what I have decided ingame. As far as anyone is concerned, I could leave today without a second look back.
I went back onto the forums because I noticed that there was a ridiculous motion of no confidence on our country president. It seems certain individuals decided to uproot his authority by manipulating their forum powers to add certain people into the mix and wait for general inactivity amongst most congressmen, myself included. Then they created the vote and essentially snuck it through the rest of us while we were either working on government projects or hadn’t checked the forums in a few days.
So the vote passed with a narrow margin from a half active and fixed congress. Still I sat by quietly as I realized this was an underhanded maneuver that would not last when we all got together to overturn the vote. We created a new vote to overturn the old one and had a whopping 8 votes to overturn, 3 against, and 2 abstain. The vote was almost complete when ElGorro himself decided to lock the vote on some previous legislation that did not apply to the current situation. – The vote has now been unlocked, but I still do not trust the moderators.
It was at this point that I decided I was fed up with our system and was not going to play a role in it any longer. I created a thread calling for van Spijck to be elected dictator or king of Netherlands in response to this authoritarian power running the forums. In my viewpoint, if we are going to be constantly attacked by rogue congressmen and forum moderators who want nothing more than to destabilize our country, then we might as well instate a dictatorship or monarch. I don’t believe anyone wants to take that route, myself included, but it is still my right as a congressman to propose such an idea, even to prove a point, right? Wrong. Instantly my thread was attacked and locked. I then created another thread to counter this ridiculous abuse of power that was being shoved on me. It appears that is going nowhere.
Me getting attacked by the authoritarian forum-mods after making my voice heard.
I am fed up with this civil war we are having and I refuse to be a part of these authoritarian forums that claim to be democratic and stand as the voice of the people. For now on I will be only taking orders from the CP himself and any ingame mechanics or rules that we have. Any forces or powers outside the game that attempt to control me will be ignored and disobeyed. I welcome anyone else to join with me by posting a comment saying that you will boycott the forums until neutrality is restored.
tl;dr: I am boycotting the forums until neutrality is returned. Anyone with moderation powers that continues to use their powers in a authoritarian-like manner will force me to continue my boycott. I will refuse to listen to anything commanded of me by those on the forums until this issue is resolved.
PROPOSAL: As a possible solution to the issue, I propose that we elect a new CoC and dCoC that is not a congressmen or party leader. This would also require that we change our laws on the elections of these positions to allow for all citizens to be able to run instead of having to wait for a 48 hour period. Our new CoC and dCoC would need to be someone we can all agree on as someone neutral and unbiased. I am quite confident we can find someone willing to step up.
Signed,
Aries Prime
Sad that I have post up a disclaimer, right? I haven’t been involved in any of the recent political turmoil until very recently, and it is a good thing I didn’t get involved for as long as I could. Apparently our country is split, quite literally, into two sides. We have those that are pro-van Spijck and those that are pro-ElGorro. There is no middle ground. People that decide to stay neutral are inevitably dragged into the screaming match when any action they make is interpreted as supporting one side over the other.
Me clubbing it up with a few other uninvolved seals.
Obviously I stand by van Spijck. He has been a loyal friend to me and we have been working to make a bright future for Netherlands since I have come here 8 months ago. Let me also note that I am not Dutch, nor do I have any responsibilities or connections to this country other than what I have decided ingame. As far as anyone is concerned, I could leave today without a second look back.
I went back onto the forums because I noticed that there was a ridiculous motion of no confidence on our country president. It seems certain individuals decided to uproot his authority by manipulating their forum powers to add certain people into the mix and wait for general inactivity amongst most congressmen, myself included. Then they created the vote and essentially snuck it through the rest of us while we were either working on government projects or hadn’t checked the forums in a few days.
So the vote passed with a narrow margin from a half active and fixed congress. Still I sat by quietly as I realized this was an underhanded maneuver that would not last when we all got together to overturn the vote. We created a new vote to overturn the old one and had a whopping 8 votes to overturn, 3 against, and 2 abstain. The vote was almost complete when ElGorro himself decided to lock the vote on some previous legislation that did not apply to the current situation. – The vote has now been unlocked, but I still do not trust the moderators.
It was at this point that I decided I was fed up with our system and was not going to play a role in it any longer. I created a thread calling for van Spijck to be elected dictator or king of Netherlands in response to this authoritarian power running the forums. In my viewpoint, if we are going to be constantly attacked by rogue congressmen and forum moderators who want nothing more than to destabilize our country, then we might as well instate a dictatorship or monarch. I don’t believe anyone wants to take that route, myself included, but it is still my right as a congressman to propose such an idea, even to prove a point, right? Wrong. Instantly my thread was attacked and locked. I then created another thread to counter this ridiculous abuse of power that was being shoved on me. It appears that is going nowhere.
Me getting attacked by the authoritarian forum-mods after making my voice heard.
I am fed up with this civil war we are having and I refuse to be a part of these authoritarian forums that claim to be democratic and stand as the voice of the people. For now on I will be only taking orders from the CP himself and any ingame mechanics or rules that we have. Any forces or powers outside the game that attempt to control me will be ignored and disobeyed. I welcome anyone else to join with me by posting a comment saying that you will boycott the forums until neutrality is restored.
tl;dr: I am boycotting the forums until neutrality is returned. Anyone with moderation powers that continues to use their powers in a authoritarian-like manner will force me to continue my boycott. I will refuse to listen to anything commanded of me by those on the forums until this issue is resolved.
PROPOSAL: As a possible solution to the issue, I propose that we elect a new CoC and dCoC that is not a congressmen or party leader. This would also require that we change our laws on the elections of these positions to allow for all citizens to be able to run instead of having to wait for a 48 hour period. Our new CoC and dCoC would need to be someone we can all agree on as someone neutral and unbiased. I am quite confident we can find someone willing to step up.
Signed,
Aries Prime
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That's the way it went down. But be aware of the snake's tongue, as well as the little snakes, they'll try to turn this around their way.
This is ridiculous guys, rogue congresmen? really?
The gestapo reference is just sick!
I was unfamiliar with the offense to such a word in this culture. It has been removed.
thank you
good action you removed it! Surprising to see that in other countries it apparently has no negative meaning.
glad you removed it. but that does raise the question what kind of history lessons you received. not meant as an attack btw.
It's just not a big deal in America. How would it have been if I said Mafia?
Sorry, I am just curious about the cultural differences between the meaning behind certain words. No harm meant : p
Mafia isn't a big deal in Netherlands. Is it in America?
Nope, but anything slavery or race related is pretty much taboo. Racism in general is a huge deal here.
Zwarte Piet would probably be considered extremely offensive and racist, requiring it to be unacceptable to practice in public.
well there were some people that wanted to change zwarte piet. strangely enough it were white folks who thought it was offensive. when asked the "darker" population had no problem with the entire tradition.
ElGorro, do you understand the meaning of the word hypocrite? Please do yourself and us a favour and look it up. You were comparing van Spijck to a murderer, but when that happens to you, you scream murder and fire. When are you leaving the game?
gestapo is about equivalent to kKK...
snake alert!!!
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There is a difference between Cpt Schettino and the Gestapo.
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I don't know good Gestapo Officers, but maybe you do...
well, you're not the worst one I guess 😉 Just stop the namecalling and hypocracy, okay 😉
Sure I wont call you that Cpt anymore, but ask your mates to stop with the insults too. I cant guarantee how I will react.
Guys, please, lets not go into this..... Lets all decide that offenses also depend on how they are perceived by the other party.
Now, shake hands and lead us out of this mysery.
I can so relate to this. I will not boyvot just yet, since I have some MoC programs running but I would love to. There is so much positive fun on IRC and ingame, yet on forum all is turned negative.
If there is a way for congress to vote without forum I am in! I have never liked the forum or the negativity that's in it.
So you say there is no negativity ingame?
"There is no middle ground. " Yes there is, there are more neutral people than you think Aries. UNP congressmen vote on both cases abstain. UNP is neutral, all we want is UNITY!!!
this is not totally true , coz marnix voted yes on the monc.......... so UNP is not neutral.....
"- Can a Congress member be replaced by a foreigner, even if he is member of a foreign political party? No, ingame mechanics don’t allow this. (But we’ll do it anyway, he is on our side, right?)"
Marnix is an official aspirant member of UNP and he is one of our most active members. So his loyalty is still in eNL
So IMO UNP is just as responsible for all the turmoil that rules our country
I voted yes on the MoNC, because I believe the CP has to tell what he is doing to the congres and not to a part of congres. That's my personal opinion.
I am member of foreign political party to help with destroying a PTO party. unfortunately that failed 🙁
UNP is not really responsible it is generalising, you can say that if kordak and gwom also voted yes.
Not IMO , they see you as a future member already , and quote "is one of our most active members" unquote ..........
So again UNP is also responsible just as everyone is to this situation....including you.
BTW ur not a member of any party atm 😉 so is a non argument
Everybody has their part in this mess 🙁
Yeah around elections you can expect me in a american party (not CP elections) 🙂
btw this was a direct quote from you comment from another discussion 🙂
I thought UNP used to be neutral, but now they have Marnix they chose to support the ape. 🙁
Reinier first read things. before saying slander.
And Skyjacked I want to thank you that we had an normal discussion 🙂
I also disagree that there is no middle ground. I can get along with both VS and ElGorro.
They both have their strengths and weaknesses, and undoubtedly the biggest weakness at the moment is they continuously disagree with each other on details and make a big fuss out of it.
ElGorro is not the only one on the forums, so also for you I see no reason to leave. If everybody who's against ElGorro leaves, only the neutral people and pro-ElGorro people will be left, and as a consequence will tend to align against the anti-ElGorro people. In that case you get what you predict, i.e. it's a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Let's not get to that point, but stop this nonsense right now.
I'm tired of being attacked for my party, so I refuse to return until neutrality is restored.
I've been attacked for my party almost since I've started playing this game.. Everybody involved should have a good look in the mirror..
and Heikanu, what did u see? I've heard some stories about you.😁
Well, I haven't been involved in most of this question, which was my intention too. I believe in these situations, nobody wins.
Also, what you say is part of the problem. You have heard stories about me, while we have never even talked to eachother. Basically you've heard one side of the story, and I bet it wasnt nice about me..
"I am boycotting the forums until neutrality is returned."
I am wondering how you see this, when do you think 'neutrality has returned'?
When we have a new CoC and dCoC that are completely neutral and are not congressmen or party leaders. We would need to decide on said person.
I like the idea about having a neutral CoC. The problem is that nobody is completely neutral, seeing we all are or have been a member of a party.
Idd. Assigning a CoC who isn't a CM, doesnt make him/her more neutral.
aye, you sure proved that.
I would have thought an incoming government would appoint new moderators, of course that cuts both ways
I'm neutral because I hate everyone 🙂
Ignore the forums and be happy 🙂
as a new member i was wondering why forums were such a mess, now i know everyone too busy fighting each other in locked away little corners....
so an un-elected congress has voted to remove a president that was elected by the people??
there is NO reason why these matters cant be conducted in game and should include all our Citizens.. not just the self elected forum & their self elected congress...
WTF... wow.. the forum has really turned into a total joke..and an anchor that is sinking our whole country!
The congress in the forum is the same that has been elected by the people in-game during the last elections.