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How Poland Works

Day 1,755, 15:21 Published in Ireland Ireland by Death and Taxes

Greetings.

Tonight I am fuming. I am fuming because we have made a NAP with Poland. I don't have an issue with a NAP with Poland per se, but the NAP I would have agreed it was on the lines of 'our congress was having a laugh really and we'll just sign a deal and promise not to directly attack you again'. Instead we have an agreement that effectively bans us from assisting our friendly countries in their RW's against Poland.

This is the standard modus operandi of Poland. By agreeing to this we have helped them significantly. Now our government and our politicians will tell you it's the best deal we could have got. They will say that we can still CotD against Poland. That Poland will turn a 'blind eye' if we support our alliance and MPP friends. That they just wanted to sign a NAP to end a war that they didn't want.

There is truth in this. But the greater truth is that Poland cannot afford to have multiple RW's going on at the same time. For example, Here's a current screenshot on what Poland is facing at the moment:



Rather a mouthful you'd think. Earlier on, they had Mayo as the CotD. Why? Simply to put as much pressure on the government as possible. They wanted us to cave in, sign the agreement, so that they could concentrate on the more important battles. With the NAP signed they now can concentrate in killing off Portugal.



So let's make this clear. Poland works by invading a region (preferably if the target does something stupid like NE it or attack an ally like say, the UK). They then wipe it. Then they ask for a conditional surrender. The conditional surrender is aimed at ensuring that the victim agrees to hand over some of its territory (if useful to Poland) but most importantly of all, it bans them for RW'ing regions back.

Free of unnecessary damage drains that subjugated nations give, they are then free to move on to the next region and repeat. This is rinse and repeat on a very large scale and they are very good at it. In fact, calling it a Polish mechanic is unfair to Poland and the Polish (a land and people I happen to like a lot), it's more like this................



Make no mistake, we have been assimilated..

The consequences for nations assimilated that dare to disobey their lot is to wiped completely, and France as you may know has just been NE'd by Poland because they didn't play the rules. So the danger with us is similar, if we do something that they don't approve it's wipeout time.

So no, I don't approve this NAP on these terms. All we are doing is helping The Borg to continue dominating Western Europe. If that's your thing, then well and good. Because the only way we can beat them is over a long extended series of RW's with all the nations bleeding them dry.

What's interesting is that today Poland were at a breaking point. Too many RW's, too many damage sinks. What really got them was the NE proposed by the US (currently failing) in response to their own NE against France. This NE and the subsequent war would have really screwed Poland, and it was at that time that we should have got the NAP we really wanted. Opportunity lost.



So. EDEN.

How come EDEN can easily win best balloon award but fail to deal with this issue with Poland? Well it's very simple. Let's say EDEN makes Poland vs Ireland their no#1 prio in Scotland.

It goes out to each member nation. But some nations don't have good communications with EDEN so for some it doesn't get passed on. For those that it does, some nations will decide that there are more pressing matters than a minor conflict with a minor nation. Even if they agree, the individual MU's don't bother making it their DO for the day. So what you have is dwindling percentages of influence until you get to the sum being vastly weaker than its parts.

= Poland wins.

The only way this Borg machine of Poland is going to be defeated is if the US enters the war (unlikely) or if collectively, all the nations under subjugation rise up, tear up the NAP's and damage drain Poland to death. We have a right to exist on the map, that's what EDEN is supposed to do. We used to be the Fighting Irish, now we're the Wimpy Irish.

The NAP has been signed. I agree to the conditions laid down, because I will not have anyone say that the Irish do not keep their word. But I reserve the right to object to it in every way.

Malbekh

NB. This may not reflect the opinions of the Malcontents, or individuals within. It is my own opinion only.

 

Comments

Yddub Emwolb
Yddub Emwolb Day 1,755, 15:37

"we have an agreement that effectively bans us from assisting our friendly countries in their RW's against Poland."

FTS. I do what I want.

Death and Taxes
Death and Taxes Day 1,755, 15:48

"Dear citizens of Ireland, we have recently detected that one of your more feared warriors was fighting in a RW against us. As this breaking our current non-aggression pact, you leave us with little choice but to assimilate you."

Yours sincerely

The Borg

Grainne Ni Mhaille
Grainne Ni Mhaille Day 1,755, 15:52

hammering the keyboard, weren't ya? Good stuff, and an eye-opener for those that need it.
Poland always play it like a boss.
BUT
We became the "Wimpy Irish" the day we gave away our CAPITAL ffs - for fish-heads.
I know there are many mechanics and meta-game-excuses that apply, but ANY bunch of fgts who cant be arsed to defend their own nation and then go after the Brits does not deserve even the fantasy title of Ireland.
I'm off for sure now, and I wish the rest of ye well.

Colonel Dag
Colonel Dag Day 1,755, 15:58

The Borg looks like Kurgan..... wtf?????

New Faustian Man
New Faustian Man Day 1,755, 16:11

Serbia are headed for China, EDEN's breadbowl, so the onus for EDEN has to be defending Iran. But. Netherlands fell a couple months ago to the Poles, and has had very little assistance from EDEN. So who knows. Smaller EDEN countries (Netherlands, Ireland, Portugal etc.) don't seem to get the military aid they require. If even a tenth of the Damage that went into evicting Bulgaria from SA had been directed into the defence of somewhere like Ireland or Portugal....

Liam Tatlock
Liam Tatlock Day 1,755, 16:14

The NE caused this, pure and simple. The only way we could have taken Poland on was with the full and total support of EDEN and/or the help of the US. We got neither, ended up wiped and became just another insignificant blob on the map. A country our size has to choose it's battles carefully. We didn't and we got fucked.

Niemand
Niemand Day 1,755, 16:22

Agreed with Liam. So good luck getting out of this mess Ireland made by itself. You have very smart citizens and many friends. Use it to your benefit instead of thinking EDEN is brotherhood.

Batreh
Batreh Day 1,755, 16:36

Malbekh - dont demonize.

Aries Prime
Aries Prime Day 1,755, 16:51

Until EDEN wants to take the Polish threat seriously I see no reason to screw ourselves over.

AppleMan
AppleMan Day 1,755, 17:35

We may be assimilated but we can still be a virus. Poland now has so many borders a coordinated multi-country resistance could cause havoc for the empire.

Death and Taxes
Death and Taxes Day 1,755, 22:36

@Batreh If demonise is telling the truth, so be it. If it's not true then kindly point out where I'm wrong? Poland aren't doing anything wrong, it's all part of game mechanics

@Aries Prime = that's exactly the attitude that let's them get away with it

@AppleMan = an active coordinated RW is correct but that means tearing up the NAP's

phooca
phooca Day 1,756, 00:17

i agree with malbekh about polaks and them imperial policies... but

1) irish alone wont rw poland to defeat. Coordinated Eden attack with RW's will. If that happens... we can forget NAP... Polish wont survive to 'punish' us or to call unto it, and in fact Irish dont need to participate in RW but direct wars during the attacks.

2) Eden will never do that...

by this logic NAP seems ok solution.

Releasethe Krakken
Releasethe Krakken Day 1,756, 00:31

I dont care about NAP'S and the what the congress say. Imo their a bunch of lowdown scoundrels anywayz . In fact this is a failure its too big a decision to not discuss with the populous. So I have a lot of bazookas stored up and will drum up a massive resistance effort against the NAP.

Seanan
Seanan Day 1,756, 03:17

As any veteran of the Anglo-Irish wars, there was always going to be a bitter taste when asking for a peace treaty whilst in defeat.

But this discussion is aimed at the wrong people. While EDEN continues the wars in the Balkans, there is not enough damage in Europe for us and others to win. We are on the most outer rim of EDEN influence, we can only contribute our long stay on the map compared to Portugal, Norway or the Netherlands because of our cooperation with Non-EDEN nations.

Seanan
Seanan Day 1,756, 03:22

We are useless wiped, because even the combination of EDEN and proEDEN forces in Western Europe isn't enough to liberate one region. Look at yesterday, we did not undermine EDEN prios: 1) Because there were three mobile prios, and none of them were us 2) Not enough force moved from the Balkans 3) Which RWs were successful?

3 days ago they said we accept a treaty which we can't hit against them vs MPP or RWs, or we get no treaty. Yesterday, we removed the MPP part of the treaty.

Seanan
Seanan Day 1,756, 03:26

If the wars in the Balkans were called too a truce, then there would be enough influence for an attack against Poland.

Otherwise, it is just Western Europe EDEN nations who are destroying their country by prolong wipe, for help which only comes very sparsely and often fails. A NAP allows our citizens continued productions bonuses, new citizen coming without a Polish media, so that we can fight for EDEN prios in the Balkans until they change their objectives.

Seanan
Seanan Day 1,756, 03:31

Anyone who thinks if Portugal, The Netherlands. Norway, France, Germany and Ireland didn't have a NAP, that we would all be enough of a match to cripple Poland, then they are seriously underestimating our enemies in the region and overestimating allied re-enforcement.

The objectives of EDEN in the Balkans has to cease before we can expect a decent assault against Poland.

Seanan
Seanan Day 1,756, 03:35

And I was not a fan of signing a treaty, despite my defence of it.

However, I did not fool myself in my objection by saying we are aiding Poland and leaving our allies to the dogs.

I objected with the full knowledge that it would mean a prolonged wipe with ---little to no effect --- on Poland. Simply because I didn't want to admit defeat, no other reason.

The NAP isn't an issue of committing to the war effort, its a matter of pride vs realism. Nothing else.

Grainne Ni Mhaille
Grainne Ni Mhaille Day 1,756, 04:33

"A NAP allows our citizens continued productions bonuses,"
Let's not get back to this fkn thing again Seanan. Any citizen who is interested in maxing their production bonus will do exactly as YOU do, and get CS in another country like America with better bonuses than eIreland will EVER have unless it grows some balls.
Buying cheap in the USA and selling dear in eIreland is hardly a hidden mystery.
eIreland is unimportant to anyone, apart from itself. The sooner that penny drops, the better.

Death and Taxes
Death and Taxes Day 1,756, 04:42

^^besides which, please explain why the MPP prio is currently France? If you and EDEN are admitting that you are incapable of dealing with Poland at the moment then why are we fighting a doomed war in protecting France from being wiped? Is it to salve a conscience? After all, now that Poland has established a NAP with us, they can now ignore our RW's as a damage drain and concentrate on dealing with France, Portugal, Netherlands and Germany.

Death and Taxes
Death and Taxes Day 1,756, 04:43

EDEN need to make an agreement and seal off one border so that they concentrate all their rather considerable resources on another. It's pretty simple really. Maybe, a bit too simple

castaneda
castaneda Day 1,756, 04:52

Take a breath , Its very hard for any nation to make its citizens comply with a NAP , Moreso when less than 50% of its active population is in the "state" army .
Add to that the "rebel" Nature of the Irish and you get what will happen in the coming days ,The Irish will fight in Polish RW's , It is in our DNA to fight oppression.

Seanan
Seanan Day 1,756, 04:52

@Grainne, I didn't say "max", I said production bonuses, i.e. for the general population, and not army commune holders. The food bonus in pic is important for new Irish babies. My argument wasn't we need the bonuses, I'm saying anyone holding Irish citizenship if weaker with a wiped country with no bonuses, compared to a non-wiped country - which effects our total damage output. Obviously, they would be even better off with 100/100 country citizenship but that wasnt my point.

Seanan
Seanan Day 1,756, 04:56

And yes, Im sure EDEN has France as prio right now because of a sense of conscience.

Because Netherlands, Portugal, Germany, Norway, and France have been either under occupation (or NAP'd) for weeks now. Tt was only recently, EDEN briefly turned their attention to it (and failed). It won't last, because EDEN hasn't done as you said and closed off borders in the Balkans, and concentrate in Europe.

Seanan
Seanan Day 1,756, 04:59

They have only prio Europe, yesterday and today. Whilst wars continue to drain them in the Balkans, meaning we keep losing in Europe.

The combination of all our allies in Europe opening RWs is not enough to beat Poland.
Is. Not. Enough.
It requires EDEN to close borders in the Balkans, and direct that damage into Europe.
Otherwise, all our RWs are doing is failing, providing Poland some patriot damage, because Poland-UK and lack of US intervention is enough to keep us and our allies down.

Seanan
Seanan Day 1,756, 05:04

You are barking at the wrong people, Malbekh.

Until EDEN nations close borders in the Balkans, our RWs won't make a damn shot of difference. Bleed Poland to death? Only IF the combination of Ireland, Portugal, Norway, Netherlands, France and Germany can beat Poland-UK-Spain, and its been proved numerous of times, the damage isn't there.

It requires the Balkans' war to close.
Until that happens, Poland won't feel a thing.

Death and Taxes
Death and Taxes Day 1,756, 05:39

I'm not barking I'm mooing. Look, I completely understand the position of the Irish government, and just like the UK NAP will support it. It just felt important to me to point out to congress the consequences of their actions. People think this is a simple game, it is. It's people that make it complicated.

/moo

PS Thanks for taking and explaining one for the team Seanan

Grainne Ni Mhaille
Grainne Ni Mhaille Day 1,756, 06:15

like I said, unimportant to anyone.

Seanan
Seanan Day 1,756, 06:49

No need to thank Malbekh, never expect it.

Death and Taxes
Death and Taxes Day 1,756, 08:16

No one expects the Irish Inquisition

Seanan
Seanan Day 1,756, 08:21

Neither do the Irish. Genius of it.

Grainne Ni Mhaille
Grainne Ni Mhaille Day 1,756, 08:24

Endemic idiocy, more like.

Ban Josip Jelacic II
Ban Josip Jelacic II Day 1,756, 08:25

Malbekh explained it all... o/

Jacobi
Jacobi Day 1,756, 08:26

Let me point out, Canada categorically refused a NAP. Canada will always categorically refuse NAPs that prevent us from assisting allies.

That being said, we won't do anything to make life difficult for Ireland.

Colonel Dag
Colonel Dag Day 1,756, 08:29

Crazy Ivann wrote 1 hour ago
Epic Troll OR Epic balls?
http://www.erepublik.com/en/main/law/Ireland/115520

ChewChewShoe
ChewChewShoe Day 1,756, 08:35

Seanan +1

D-Glennon
D-Glennon Day 1,756, 08:55

grainne has some very good points weither yous agree or not . What seanan says is understandable to an extent but with such little articles that give information about any wars or eden related activity in our news you can hardly blame a growing annoyance/hatred of eden. There respect is gained through there actions

Death and Taxes
Death and Taxes Day 1,756, 09:00

@Jacobi I will always take your word for it.

Batreh
Batreh Day 1,756, 10:38

Malbekh, you demonize, and no - you dont tell truth. the NAP says nothing about indyvidual citizen support for any country, so you can fight inrw in saxonny for example. but it will be broken if eIreland will start dailies in battles against ePoland. and there were no "misunderstanding" with eFrance. NAP with them says "if any region not given in NAP will be got by eFrance in RW eFrance will give it back immediately by opening war with ePoland". simple. Rhone Alps are such region.

Death and Taxes
Death and Taxes Day 1,756, 10:51

@ Batreh are you the propaganda minister of Poland then?

The fact is that tying up your conquests in NAPS is your modus operandi and you know it.

Now everybody else knows it.

Roszondras
Roszondras Day 1,756, 11:53

im having a laugh @ epoland right now . Thank you Malbekh

Viktor Kurgan
Viktor Kurgan Day 1,756, 12:36

Sooner or later you all will be asimilated to Kurgan collective mind........
Resistance is futile....

Bigmike727
Bigmike727 Day 1,756, 18:23

Everything Seanan said x2 IMO, but just had to lol at the remote possibility"Ireland, Portugal, Norway, Netherlands, France and Germany can beat Poland-UK-Spain", out of those countries IMO eGermany and maybe eFrance and ePortugal and MAYBE JUST MAYBE eIreland with a NE, and every citizen tanking and spending every gold possible can actually put forth some actual damage, so yeah W.Europe is ePolish for now and with eSerbia appearing to be possibly be headed to ePRC I doubt that will changesoon

Batreh
Batreh Day 1,756, 22:07

Malbekh - i was never in ePolish gov., so no, im not any minister. no-acting against another country is normal procedure in EVERY NAP, so why you think ePoland shoud work another way?

Grainne Ni Mhaille
Grainne Ni Mhaille Day 1,757, 06:42

"Now everybody else knows it."
All I know is that the NAPs they are now signing are very ambiguous, and tiny-short.
The original template, which supports a repeating plan that has now been in use for at least 3 years, was significantly longer.
Both useless in terms of enforcement.
They carry on regardless. And do it well. If we were as big as them, we could do it too.

Big Sexy Black Man
Big Sexy Black Man Day 1,757, 09:43

A' well, Malbehk run for CP der.

 
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