Helping out
cowboy28
So here folks is an idea to help fix the issues in ecanada and bring some people back. It would involve taking the CVP. Please read and let us know if this is going to get us any where. We think this could put Canada back on track of working more together
Proposal for an end to the Conflict.
- will donate the Party to the expats and terrorists so they can return and have an established working party to begin their civil process.
- Will want payment of 40G
- Will continue to be party president for this next term and will withdraw and allow them to be PP thereafter
- Will promote all and only their nominations for congress
- Will leave party after PP is then transferred
- EPIC will appoint 3 person from the surrendering party as congressman the first month after the transfer; 2 the second month; and 1 the 3rd month. All who wish to be a potential congressman from the transferring party will need to join EPIC for this process.
This allows them an active voice and presence. It will be a mechanism to assure they have a foundation. The public then gets to decide if they support their cause by joining the party or voting for their proposals.
It would require allowing every e😜
at who wishes to return to come back without debate – but there should be conditions :
1 – they have to join this surrendering party or else they apply to come back in an ordinary process, and once they join they have to remain in the party for 2 months at least. Other ex pats can then go off and do their own thing but this focuses the effort and the argument and allows for less chance of misinterpretation of their views and grievances. They will speak from a common voice. If there is “so much dissent” then this will crystallize that dissent.
2 – there has to be a bond of 100G against future conduct refundable every 2 months at 20% of the original amount provided no violations. They can agree upon who pays it and to whom it is returned. They will have to trust their leadership since they say they can’t trust eCanada’s leadership.
3 – they have to join the CAF – a Canadian MU so that their conduct and instructions regarding military campaigns is consistent and known. They must remain in the CAF for 2 months.
4 – They must join a CAF commune program so they are working for the country to repay in deed any costs from these actions. They must remain working for a commune for 2 months.
5 – that each returning citizen post a personal bond of 5 gold if level 1-30 and 10G if level 31+ which is returned at 20% every 2 months unless there is a violation.
Violations that would forfeit the personal bond at any time would be for leaving the Party or MU or commune before the 2 month period stated. As well as any attack against Canada for any reason except in a proper and authorized MU engagement. Meaning no BH chasing during this time except as permitted by the CAF commanding officer or his designates and known in advance. BH shall be limited to once every 2 weeks, and no more than 2 in any one day collectively by a returnees. Other citizens should be given opportunity to achieve this as well but not keep the returnees from their opportunity.
It will also be a violation if they at any time while remaining a Canadian citizen join a non Canadian MU during the first 3 months of their return.
Violation of the Party Bond will occur should any of the “leadership” be found to have violated any of the conditions. Leadership shall be defined as 8 persons nominated as leading “pillars” who have returned to begin a democratic process for change yet not commit to it for the 2 month period. These 8 designates can be amended upon 4 days notice to the President and Congress.
The returnees designated as one of the 8 can remove themselves from the list and remove themselves from this obligation upon giving 4 days notice of intent to the Party President and Country President – meaning they can decide it is not working and that their resignation is forthcoming. 85% of all remaining bond that had yet to be dispersed shall be returned to them at the expiry of the 4 days upon condition that the returnee relinquishes Canadian citizenship and withdraws from Canadian MU’s. They can only be permitted back into eCanada, and it would be without cost, at the latest of 45 days or the 4 month anniversary of this agreement provided they have not within that 30 days attacked Canada for any reason or purpose and upon payment of the personal bond; and be bound by the personal terms of such bond.
There are no charges against any of the individuals.
There are no costs for them returning to Canada. Any costs associated from violation of the bond are deemed damages, It is a civil contract.
Any charges associated from any future misdeed deemed criminal in nature will be dealt with separately to the full extent of the law.
Congress are the sole determiners of whether any act alleged against an individual is a violation or not and a simple majority vote is need to “convict”. A tie as always is interpreted as being a vote in the negative. The President has no vote on if an action is a violation. If a person appeals or challenges an accusation and loses then the remaining 15% that would have been paid is forfeited as costs.
Just to clarify some the 40 gold would go to the CVP party and the 100 gold would go to the government as a bond. One thing else is that we could more stipulations stating that this is opened up for 2 months but could not have attacked ecanada within the past week. Also I am looking for amendments to this. It is not set in stone and I am willing to take amendments.
I am running for PP for the CVP and I would orchastrate this procedure for the first month. If it does not work for what ever reason I will return the CVP back to the current members and I would step down permently.
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Peace out
Comments
Sad to see this much work put into something that will never be accepted. : (
so many rules and regulations....
lmao pass
Northraider doesn't endorse negotiating with terrorists. The ingame Northraider isn't proposing this but the real life guy behind him is. Please appreciate the distinction and be kind.
It's meant to open the door and I think the people in this established party are doing an honourable thing to consider this and offer this at no gain to themselves except congress seats for few months which they may have achieved anyways.
Props to Cowboy28 for stepping up and taking charge on making a conciliatory sacrifice for the greater good. That is good leadership Cowboy! Never stop trying to advance the game.
Someone has to find a way to get the people back in and playing together. Unless I am wrong and it is all roleplay which is a great progression of drama now on a world stage. If that is the case then yeah, keep on fighting and arguing.
from a recent article:
"In every .... compliment there was a blunder; for they thought that my chief desire was to stand the other side of that stone wall...."
Nevertheless, I'm going to alert Addy Lawrence to this proposal. He might have a deep desire to return to eCanada, give up the 35 q6 tanks he gets everyday from the military, and his enormous production bonuses, in a country whose president has said he doesn't care if Addy tanks against eCanada, in order to "surrender" and try to rebuild what was destroyed by the people who retroactively brand him a traitor.
Gentlemen: a whole bunch of players left eCanada, taking their considerable resources and talents with them. That was a free choice. If you want them to return, best to make eCanada attractive. That will take considerable effort. Offering players an opportunity to "surrender" is not a step in the right direction.
ahah. If you think they will go for it..
They can just take the 40g and create the party themselves instead of handing it out to you!
kl
lol...
If I came back and wanted a party I would just jack one of the smaller one's. Thats how MDP started when it had a membership of 6
Chucky - This would guarantee citizenship. Having 40G won't get them a Party without that.
Oliver - This isn't meant as surrender. It is a return without consequence or cost. It means no delay in citizenship and is immediate. Having a Canadian citizenship is a privilege once someone gives it up. I didn't appreciate the costs of business but if we can't do better to keep businesses in Canada then that is a problem they should come back and help fix instead of losing jobs overseas.
It's a proposal to change things now. It lets everyone who wants to come back to do so. They don't have to.
I'm ok roleplaying the conflict but I had an impression people actually wanted to find a way to come back.
Rylde - Come back and do that if you want. Or don't. Whatever you want. Apply for citizenship first - with people seeing you intend to highjack a Party. This way they get to work at the issue inside Canada immediately. And to get ready for Congress elections also.
"they have to join this surrendering party.." Your words.
"they should come back and help fix" -- no comment.
Everything in Canada is corrput. 5 gold could get me back in canada. couple hundred tanks could get me into Congress and thats not even using the channels of I still have friends to cheapen all of the above.
Your to new to know how things run. Give it a few months or till when the bribery offers roll in.
I'll let you back in for 3 Gold Rylde....
Heck, I'll let Rylde in for fun. MDP needs some proper leadership.
Besides, it was SaraDroz's idea to have Rylde come and be our CP and show us the error of our ways.
Nice of you guys to offer the CVP up on a platter. Nothing like promoting peace by PTO'ing a party, which is one of that groups major complaints against Rolo in the first place.
There should be an IQ test that goes with the 2 gold it costs to start a paper.
lol
I'll agree to this when Rolo pays back the 6000 gold he stole.
What we need to look at doing is cleaning up this whole mess and make ecanada work again. We need to try something. Or we could sit here and get our asses handed to us. Up to you guys but someone needs to think of something this is so far the only idea I know of
O yes I am sorry for the confusion but north raider as player does not endorse this but the real person does. I forgot to fix that
Please read the bottom again I made an edit to it
What is this I don't even
Calling this idea stupid would be an insult to the stupid everywhere
*facepalm* I know you're just trying to help out..... but you can't help them out by putting a straight jacket on someone....
If you want to give them a home then give it to them no strings attached..... if you want to smooth things over extend an olive branch, not a binding contract of repayment.........
Arguably there is nothing stopping the so-called "exiles" from coming back, beside principles.
and paying 1 gold to whatever congressmen to get their citizenship back.
http://bit.ly/zPFtvB
Check this short article I made about Cowboy's proposal. 🙂
Here's a couple of obvious points as to why this would never, ever work.
1) Your whole plan hinges on Cowboy being elected as PP. For a player who has been around since September 2011 to only have one medal, that clearly shows how inactive he is. He has absolutely no chance of winning an election. That's not trolling, that comes from months of experience with elections.
2) Suggesting that the 'traitors' would in anyway be willing to give up any amount of Gold and be forced to be in a specific party and a specific MU is insanity. That won't happen.
3) This plan involves EPIC giving up Congress seats to CanVision. If you took some time to learn about the game mechanics, you would see that unless a party is in the Top 5 membership, they cannot run Congress members. So either, you have a plan to get CanVision into Top 5 (which I promise you won't happen), or you are suggesting that the 'traitors' would leave their sanctioned party to join EPIC, which per your proposal would result in a loss of the Gold they won't be giving in the first place.
4) Two noobs will never get the respect to make such a call. No one will pick this proposal up and if they do, they will get laughed out of Congress.
5) The 'traitors' don't even want to come back. As Oliver mentioned in the original article, they are happy where they are. In fact, many non-'traitors' have eUSA citizenship solely for the Region Bonuses. So, they aren't coming back. Especially when there is nothing to offer them except giving up Gold and sanctions.
Walley if your not part of the solution your part of the problem, sheeesh!
Sebben and Sebben law firm will gladly tender this proposal to the required officials. A small retainer's fee would of course be required, along with a modest processing fee based on the royalties accrued through the fees applied to the demi-citizens in questions.
Here's my card should you need to call. I'm off to wrangle a herd of cats to prepare for the case, should our proposal be accepted.
It's been a while since I've read a proper legal text on eRep. Thanks.
I for one would be more than willing to try and work something out like this. I am listening...is anyone else?
@crisfire - and how is this 'plan' part of the solution? All I did was explain based on my experiences on both sides of the issue (don't forget that 'good Wally did exist' once) why this 'plan' will never work. Was I outright about it? Sure thing. Anyone who expects otherwise from me, doesn't know any better.
Wally thank you for the feed back. You are right I have been active at times but not consisntly. Any constructive thinking helps me and others understand why these kind of things may work or not. Please keep commenting about the good and bad
i was being sarcastic 😉
crisfire, it's ok, I still wuv you. I'm sure my comment can be aimed at a few other people anyways. ;P
"will donate the Party to the expats and terrorists so they can return and have an established working party to begin their civil process."
Who said they wanted to return? Most of the ones I speak with don't intend to come back.
The best solution to a problem is usually the simplest.
Step 1: Rolo apologizes.
Step 2: Rolo pays a pound of flesh, whatever that is, demonstrating how truly sorry he is.
Step 3: Congress accepts the apology.
Step 4: Congress pardons Rolo demonstrating how genuine the apology is.
Step 5: The community takes one step toward unity together.
Step 6: The community actively preserves that step of unity by upholding the law of honesty and good faith in eCanada.
No parlour tricks. No technicalities. No points of interpretation. No need for certain people to get elected to PP or certain demographics elected to congress or any cows jumping over moons or any back room deals. Just good old fashioned reconciliation.
^ This.