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troubling indeed.

Democracy can be! but not nearly at troubling or damaging as that forum!! lol but at the end of the day, every player is first and foremost an eCitizen of the Netherlands and has the right by function of democracy & game mechanics to do what they deem is best in the long run for our country and community.. regardless of what laws you make up in the forum.. you cant change the game.. or redefine democracy.. sorry that's troubling to some 😉

I find it also very troubling to see odan as moderator "fixing" topics that aren't his to fix, but the govs.😁

Normal people would call that power abuse, I'm curious what his excuse is.😁

troubling indee😛 http://enetherlands.nl/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=11826

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I just like the Bilderberg Group. 🙂

Bullshit, this just proofs that you, and most other GPN'ers are nothing more but lackeys.

Is possible, but isn't it weird that a lot of people come with the same idea at the day when the top5 parties will be chosen? or is that a big big big coincidence

I find it a lot more strange that when you already where a member of a US party, you suddenly became a member of Congres for UNP, just when your buddies odin and EG started a MonC against the whole government. Rings any bell there???

That must be the first time you recognize that Motion of No Confidence.. Well, I'm awaiting your response to the current problems in 6 months then 🙂

It's also completely irrelevant and not in the slightest comparable to this discussion..

vS I explained it to you personally a lot of times, but you refuse to understand it. so what exactly do you want to reach with stating it here again? Do I need to tell it another time, that you are going to ignore again and so on, or what? Stop crying about past make a better future, such as natural elections, no goverment that interferes with congresselections as past time, when you were CP, rings any bell there???
And I really don't know when MoNC was. if that was around same time or months between it, I am not even going to look for it.

are we all not first & foremost eCitizens of the Netherlands? In a Democracy.. with equal rights? let the people speak... each Citizen has the right to do what they feel is best for the country in the long run... this is Democracy! each eCitizen has this right! Let the people speak with their actions.. nothing troubling about that imo... that's the basis of the system!

VVN? We have been in the top 5 as long as I am playing this game. So can we kick another party out if it gets topped with more members?

What about all those players you bribed into your party?(Yes you tried to bribe me into your party with Q7's) Is that of any help for a realistic political balance?

If BG were to be in the top 5, VVN would be the first to kick out. Seeing that I&W and Libertas are not generally liked by GPN, it isn't too far fetched to think VVN will suddenly get 2-3 additional members, next, right 🙂

And that claim is irrelevant and an attempt to overshadow a major fraud by comparing a party recruiting new citizens with a major party that uses shady tactics to kick out opponnents out of Congress. Why do you even want to protect GPN in this?

I don't want to overshadow it. I want to point out that you are 'fixing' things as well.

Can you quote the exact part where I am defending GPN? If this is a move proposed by GPN itself, it really a bad thing. Let the numbers speak for itself.

It's a a whole other ethical discussion (regarding the recruitment of new citizens, a practice many parties uphold) and in my eyes not comparable to these facts. But each to his own.

And well, I'm afraid we will never publically know whether this is a thought-of strategy.. ; - )

Funny, when I mention buying things you are buying votes for this article at the same time. Talking about manipulating the top 5...

Lol, I wanna mack damn sure every citizen reads this, instead of people like you trying to cover it up ..

This proofs how "democratic" GPN is that they try to get a party out of the top 5. It proofs how power hungry GPN is and how they try to make eNL even more of a dictatorship.

Notie fixing the votes again? lol

You do not only flee towards another continent, but out of every serious discussion, too .. Disgusting.

Since when can any discussion with you be taken seriously? It's too funny to see one who whined so much about not having congress elections for a long time, is now blaming the government for taking care that elections will be held.

Nothing is being fixed , we just try to recruit everone & everything to make congres 🙂

So you hijacked several GPN members? That must not be very kind towards your allies.. Let's not kid ourselves.

i can always ask people if they wanna help us out, i asked very nicely ..........and if they do help BG out fine...... if not just as good friends as before .

i got a member of yours also , another that wasn't happy with demnl ........ so your alligations of fixing is a bit harsch ain't it 🙂

Well, that case of ''my'' member and one of DemNL's one.. That seems to be attracting members legitimally, while putting hardcore GPN-people into your party who are not at all tied to BG isn't.

like i said , i can always ask my friends to help me out , and don't even have to pay them for it ........ maybe they like us so much that they thought to give it a try .

But why are you reacting like ur stung by a bee...... getting nervous to lose ur precious congres seat ???

I'm not the party to get kicked out .. Or can't I discuss suspicious events with possible dangerous effects anymore, without necessarily personal gain involved?

I'd like to say that it is not the GPN who's been doing this, The Bilderberg groep is just trying to recruit more members to reach the top 5 so we may have a place in congress.
Our methods of doing this may seem controversial and we fully support a democratic country.
We believe that we have some active members who will contribute a lot to the Congress in multiple ways.

So you say that BG is stealing members from other parties?

nope not stealing .....asking .....they come over at their own free will.......it's not like i run arround with a shotgun threatning people 😉

why don't you come and help us out Kamp , you don't have a political party that you support ????

Because I see you more like a troublemaker party like in real life (PVV) then working on solutions. And I am already part of a party

So we have the same ideas about eachother😉, myself i see you as a person/kid that causes more probs than solutions 🙂

Good that we see eachother that ways then, or not?

stealing??? you got us.. we sneak over to their house in the middle of the night.. log onto their account.. ofcourse after accosting their passwords from their younger sisters or wife's.. and then change their party! lol... every eCitizen of the country has a vote... and the right to do whats best for the Country.. that is what a democracy is! give this stealing stuff a rest... & let the people speak!

By having a deal with a major party which involved individuals at all not tied to your party to manipulate the numbers last-minute?

We haven't got any deal, i must confess that we've had some interactions but no deal was made.
every member that has joined us did it with free will.

Let me put it this way: It's very very suspicious that members from GPN, that are HEAVILY tied to it (access on the forums, history as politically active, always been supportive of the party line) suddenly are part of another party, shortly before the elections. I'm not convinced they are tied to their ''new party''

tied enough otherwise they wouldn't join ........and if they don't feel at home after a while they are always free to leave in good friendship.

I'm sure most will return back to GPN after the elections

I understand what you mean NoTie, these situations may lead to some misunderstandings.
But like i said, we didn't push anyone or make any deal and neither did the GPN as far as i know.

Notie is lying again: I have never been on the GPN forum, nor on the National one. And Skyjacked has always been a friend of mine, since he started playing, that why I've come over to BG.

So your hardcore commitment to GPN the last months have been faked? 🙂

How is it possible for you to know something like that NoTie?
You are not Reinier, you don't know his interests neither could you know his true commitment.
And who do you think that Reinier would prefer to go with? his party or with his friend?

Because he has been heavily defending GPN and Van Spijck over the past few MONTHS. So would that mean he's not to stay loyal to a party? (Of course, that's not the case here!). Even if BG's intentions are sincere, there is a remote chance that those intentions will be hijacked for ''the greater good'' of the establishment. I hope that won't happen and that it will stay with this

BTW we need 5 more members so if any of the readers want to help out BG make congres , all are welcome & appriciated 😃

nah will stay at my seat 😉 Maybe when you offer an q7 factory i will reconsider 🙂

wish i was that rich m8 , i ain't no visa warrior ...😃 but if i was i would donate a few to the MU & country.......1 for you for all your work you do in the MU