Freedom, at what cost? [Severrus]
Day 2,776, 09:23
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by Severrus Snape
Greetings eWorld,
This will be a pretty long article so I will just get straight to the point.
I am writing this article in the light of recent events centered on Macedonia (the links to those articles will be provided at the end of this article), and I will try to give you a better explanation on the Macedonian-Greek issue.
As many of you know, Balkans in this game is like the gold mine for Admins, based on the many Real Life unresolved questions and issues between the Balkan countries throughout the ages which create violence and hostility between each other. Macedonia was not added initially in this game, as in V1, but it was added in the very first “expansion” on eRepublik I believe (forgive me if I am wrong). That may have been the best decision Admins made on this game, because to this very day, most of their profits are based on that.
The game decided to take “neutral” stance, and add our country as Republic of Macedonia (FYROM) – all being completely the same, just the FY saying the country was formerly part of Yugoslavia, so it is basically Macedonia which more than 130 countries in the real world use.
There was no referendum about this or whatsoever, as there was for Kosovo, but what happened happened, and we are way past that. Macedonia got a great baby boom and was the greatest success in this game besides Serbia, with at the time, vision for a great future. As expected, our southern neighbor attacked us first, and at the time, in the most epic battle, they lost.
Then Macedonia won EVERY SINGLE BATTLE and conquered Greece, and later their colonies in Egypt and Saudi Arabia. Macedonia held them occupied for like 3 to 5 months, I can’t specify correct timelapse, and people got bored. They have come to us and we had reasonable talks and we have made several Non-Aggression Pacts.
Macedonia then focused onto going to Italy, France, liberating Spain from USA and Brazil, also 1v1 war with USA, while helping Egypt and Saudi Arabia obtain Congress.
Then, they began organizing occasional International Meetings which were held in different countries and cities, and for each and every one on the banner promoting the International Meeting, there only was the name of the city and the name of the host country. All but one meeting.
The meeting held in Thessaloniki was promoted as follows (city, region, country).
This was once again, one of the many injustices Admins have brought to us, and created huge chaos in our country.
There is still, no logical explanation about their actions, even though their purpose is clear. Many Macedonians found this insulting and unfair, so the only solution they saw was leaving the game full or inequality and apparent “neutral” positions.
Ever since, Macedonian great power began to fade. Tides have changed, and here we are on the other side. What is different? The people.
This is not a matter of 4, 5 or even 10 months, we are speaking about years. 2 years have passed and Macedonia is still at war with its southern neighbor. We have tried and approached them many times but every time was a failure. Let me tell you why.
First of all, this game has more RL stuff into it than RL itself sometimes. Because it consumes money, some people try to feed their desires that they can’t fulfill in Real Life. Such are the Greeks.
Macedonians in the past have shown their ability to be reasonable and see beyond their personal desires, because this game is after all fun, and we wanted that, escape from the Real World into this apparent “Second Life”.
Sadly, our opponents cannot understand that, and they are using every means possible to keep us deleted, as they try to do in Real Life.
Their Top Customers accuse Macedonia for being too much into this Real Life problem that cannot escape from itself, and can’t care less about its allies but only for this war with them. That is a very cheap propaganda, as any reasonable intelligent human being can realize that incorrect. As I already mentioned Macedonia made NAPs with Greece so it could focus on helping allies, and lately, even though deleted, it still made some Airstrikes to help our allies, and was always in the battles of our allies, which they know.
Now, let me ask you a question. If Macedonia is too obsessed with this issue, why are YOU the Top Customers in this game? Why waste so much Euros?
This war is boring, and everybody knows it. But when one faces irrational and uncontrollable hatred, its hard to prove them otherwise. Greece can’t see beyond their personal desires, and couldn’t care less about their allies. A few visa tankings doesn’t make you a good ally. You only care for yourself and you are the ones forcing people to do stuff.
I just want to THANK EACH AND EVERY ONE THAT HAS SUPPORTED US SO FAR, it is of great meaning, and it will never be forgotten.
As for the ones supporting Greece in this irrational lunatic hatred cause, I want to share something with you:
I won’t go back 2000 years as this article is long enough already, but I will explain you what happened 100 years ago. The Macedonian-Greek problem derives from recent history of the past century, or more specifically in the year 1913 and after. Macedonia as a whole was divided between Serbia (Vardar Macedonia), Bulgaria (Pirin Macedonia) and Greece (Aegean Macedonia) by the Bucharest treaty from the Balkan wars. Macedonians in those regions were treated fairly good, except for the region controlled now by Greece.
Greece has committed unthinkable genocide and ethnocide to the Macedonian population living there. Every Macedonian was constantly beaten or imprisoned and treated in the most harsh ways. Every little village, town, city was under heavy military control and the people were FORBIDDEN to speak their language, Macedonian. Everyone who did that, would face the actions mentioned above. Every Macedonian citizen was forced to change its name into a Greek one.
Greeks went so far that they even changed the names on the gravestones of the deceased Macedonians.
If Macedonia was Greek, why did they agreed on splitting it into 3 parts in 1913? Why split what is yours? Only Macedonians were against splitting Macedonia, and only Macedonians want it put back together. I don’t hear any Greeks wanting something back that they lost in 1913.
They never lost anything, because one can’t lose something if one never had it.
So, you see the issue is not only about the name, its about identity, nationality, language, self-identification. It is way more than just saying FYROM.
If you always complain about someone bringing Real Life issues, why do you keep supporting them?
I hope after this you will think more objectively on this cause, and you will understand this issue.
Only together we can make a better eRepublik.
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Links to the other articles:
Libertad, a que costo? [Severrus] [Espanol] - translated and posted by Subaru15
FREEDOM [Phantom MKD] - written by PhantomMKD
FREEDOM [Phantom MKD] version ESP - translated and posted by Subaru15
Historia del conflicto Macedonia y Grecia [ESP] - written by Subaru15
Pensamientos x MKD-BG x Futuro [Eng&Spa] - written by Conkeror69
=================================================================
Always,
Severrus Snape
This will be a pretty long article so I will just get straight to the point.
I am writing this article in the light of recent events centered on Macedonia (the links to those articles will be provided at the end of this article), and I will try to give you a better explanation on the Macedonian-Greek issue.
As many of you know, Balkans in this game is like the gold mine for Admins, based on the many Real Life unresolved questions and issues between the Balkan countries throughout the ages which create violence and hostility between each other. Macedonia was not added initially in this game, as in V1, but it was added in the very first “expansion” on eRepublik I believe (forgive me if I am wrong). That may have been the best decision Admins made on this game, because to this very day, most of their profits are based on that.
The game decided to take “neutral” stance, and add our country as Republic of Macedonia (FYROM) – all being completely the same, just the FY saying the country was formerly part of Yugoslavia, so it is basically Macedonia which more than 130 countries in the real world use.
There was no referendum about this or whatsoever, as there was for Kosovo, but what happened happened, and we are way past that. Macedonia got a great baby boom and was the greatest success in this game besides Serbia, with at the time, vision for a great future. As expected, our southern neighbor attacked us first, and at the time, in the most epic battle, they lost.
Then Macedonia won EVERY SINGLE BATTLE and conquered Greece, and later their colonies in Egypt and Saudi Arabia. Macedonia held them occupied for like 3 to 5 months, I can’t specify correct timelapse, and people got bored. They have come to us and we had reasonable talks and we have made several Non-Aggression Pacts.
Macedonia then focused onto going to Italy, France, liberating Spain from USA and Brazil, also 1v1 war with USA, while helping Egypt and Saudi Arabia obtain Congress.
Then, they began organizing occasional International Meetings which were held in different countries and cities, and for each and every one on the banner promoting the International Meeting, there only was the name of the city and the name of the host country. All but one meeting.
The meeting held in Thessaloniki was promoted as follows (city, region, country).
This was once again, one of the many injustices Admins have brought to us, and created huge chaos in our country.
There is still, no logical explanation about their actions, even though their purpose is clear. Many Macedonians found this insulting and unfair, so the only solution they saw was leaving the game full or inequality and apparent “neutral” positions.
Ever since, Macedonian great power began to fade. Tides have changed, and here we are on the other side. What is different? The people.
This is not a matter of 4, 5 or even 10 months, we are speaking about years. 2 years have passed and Macedonia is still at war with its southern neighbor. We have tried and approached them many times but every time was a failure. Let me tell you why.
First of all, this game has more RL stuff into it than RL itself sometimes. Because it consumes money, some people try to feed their desires that they can’t fulfill in Real Life. Such are the Greeks.
Macedonians in the past have shown their ability to be reasonable and see beyond their personal desires, because this game is after all fun, and we wanted that, escape from the Real World into this apparent “Second Life”.
Sadly, our opponents cannot understand that, and they are using every means possible to keep us deleted, as they try to do in Real Life.
Their Top Customers accuse Macedonia for being too much into this Real Life problem that cannot escape from itself, and can’t care less about its allies but only for this war with them. That is a very cheap propaganda, as any reasonable intelligent human being can realize that incorrect. As I already mentioned Macedonia made NAPs with Greece so it could focus on helping allies, and lately, even though deleted, it still made some Airstrikes to help our allies, and was always in the battles of our allies, which they know.
Now, let me ask you a question. If Macedonia is too obsessed with this issue, why are YOU the Top Customers in this game? Why waste so much Euros?
This war is boring, and everybody knows it. But when one faces irrational and uncontrollable hatred, its hard to prove them otherwise. Greece can’t see beyond their personal desires, and couldn’t care less about their allies. A few visa tankings doesn’t make you a good ally. You only care for yourself and you are the ones forcing people to do stuff.
I just want to THANK EACH AND EVERY ONE THAT HAS SUPPORTED US SO FAR, it is of great meaning, and it will never be forgotten.
As for the ones supporting Greece in this irrational lunatic hatred cause, I want to share something with you:
I won’t go back 2000 years as this article is long enough already, but I will explain you what happened 100 years ago. The Macedonian-Greek problem derives from recent history of the past century, or more specifically in the year 1913 and after. Macedonia as a whole was divided between Serbia (Vardar Macedonia), Bulgaria (Pirin Macedonia) and Greece (Aegean Macedonia) by the Bucharest treaty from the Balkan wars. Macedonians in those regions were treated fairly good, except for the region controlled now by Greece.
Greece has committed unthinkable genocide and ethnocide to the Macedonian population living there. Every Macedonian was constantly beaten or imprisoned and treated in the most harsh ways. Every little village, town, city was under heavy military control and the people were FORBIDDEN to speak their language, Macedonian. Everyone who did that, would face the actions mentioned above. Every Macedonian citizen was forced to change its name into a Greek one.
Greeks went so far that they even changed the names on the gravestones of the deceased Macedonians.
If Macedonia was Greek, why did they agreed on splitting it into 3 parts in 1913? Why split what is yours? Only Macedonians were against splitting Macedonia, and only Macedonians want it put back together. I don’t hear any Greeks wanting something back that they lost in 1913.
They never lost anything, because one can’t lose something if one never had it.
So, you see the issue is not only about the name, its about identity, nationality, language, self-identification. It is way more than just saying FYROM.
If you always complain about someone bringing Real Life issues, why do you keep supporting them?
I hope after this you will think more objectively on this cause, and you will understand this issue.
Only together we can make a better eRepublik.
=================================================================
Links to the other articles:
Libertad, a que costo? [Severrus] [Espanol] - translated and posted by Subaru15
FREEDOM [Phantom MKD] - written by PhantomMKD
FREEDOM [Phantom MKD] version ESP - translated and posted by Subaru15
Historia del conflicto Macedonia y Grecia [ESP] - written by Subaru15
Pensamientos x MKD-BG x Futuro [Eng&Spa] - written by Conkeror69
=================================================================
Always,
Severrus Snape
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Freedom, at what cost? [Severrus]
http://tinyurl.com/p342y9z
cheap propaganda
pleeaaasee
First! Give me tanks 😃
Successfully transferred 69 item(s) to Serbian Terorista.
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hi
tl;dr comment voted endorse, sub etcetc.
Now i'll go back to reading
Interesting article write more, so i can read more 😃
pronto traducion al español 😃
Whoa, going to read lots of articles googling tomorrow on this 😒
I know how people bring RL into game, we have a neighbor too and ofcourse we are no less culprits..
Our south neighbors won't understand this article :/
Anyway, I hope that our current allies will understand this article 😉
My suggestion is:
Stop with this kind of articles. I beg you.
If someone wants to know history and have his own idea on a non-sided base, he will go on a different website. Here, we want to play, and when you search for an ally, you search for a loyal and reasonable one, despite of the colour of his flag.
The time spent making your country stronger, showing help to allies, enhancing relationships and bringing more people into the game and on your side, is time well spent (talking about game only, ofc). The time you spend complaining about a country's behaviour is lost.
Believe me: when eMkd conquered eItaly, your governements never wanted to even talk about releasing a region, and it took us a lot of time to kick you. I had to stand your MoD trolling me a lot after an almost won battle in Abruzzo, because he would have never released our region (which anyway we conquered back 1 month later). And probably almost EVERY country would do like that, until this game makes the conquest of other countries profitable.
The history of bad rich greeks who all spend money on eRepublik instead of paying back the IMF has annoyed the whole eWorld, believe me.
If you want to get rid of an enemy and make new friends, go and become superior with your strength, not with your complaints.
I could not agree with you more. This article is not about complaining though, it is more to show the people some facts they may not have known about the recent history, and the rivalry between Macedonia and Greece.
Skopje and Greece
Atina,Sparta(city states)
What facts Severrus???? This article is full of lies and manipulations???
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Correct me if I am wrong, my memory is bad and sometimes i fuse data in my memories and make a mess, but didn't Macedonia free few Italian regions intentionally surrounded by Macedonian conquered regions for the purpose of protecting them from being conquered by Slovenia?
I think I remember something about negotiations over also giving a region with a rare resource, i can't remember the resource or did the region was freed for Italy or not.
If I remember well Mkd attacked Tuscany (if I don't remember bad) as a shield to further conquering from Slo, but then all other regions were occupied, with no benefits for Italy.
After that Mkd agreed to let Serbia get back the italian regions they previously had, and that's why they released all italian regions except for Abruzzo. We asked for Abruzzo, just to have congress and for 2 months Mkd didn't gave that to us. At the end of the month we organized an action with Gre and Alb and liberated it.
I see you fought for Macedonia long ago Fanax, right?
Thanks!
Future is the thing that is relevant,not the past, doesnt matter which one of you is saying the truth!
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Ow now I remember. The Macedonians weren't being sadistic towards Italy, the Italians f**ked up 🙂.
The Italians (if not most, a large part of them) were calling us FYROM-ians, that's why Macedonians were pissed at Italy. You may not understand just how offensive that is to us.
There was negotiations for liberation under conditions that Italy must give large amount of money to a Macedonian government ORG that were to serve as a guarantee against betrayal (if Italy betrays Macedonia, Macedonia keeps the money). I think that was because there already was an attempt from Italy to abuse a treaty with Macedonia.
There was attempts by Macedonia to give Italy free regions, and I am pretty sure there was at least 2 regions that were freed and protected by Macedonia for a while.
I think that's when Italy backstabbed Macedonia :/
There were a lot of Italian players that wanted to fight Macedonia and free Italy by force at all costs, using anything they can against it including breaking any deals/pacts. By them all kindness was taken for weakness and all deals that didn't put Italy and Macedonia as equals were considered unacceptable even though Italy was in no position to be making demands (not only Italy was completely dominated by Macedonia but also Slovenia, Serbia ets. were trying to get as much of Italian regions as they can).
At that time Italy was very weak and with a lot of regions making it a prey for stronger contreus. The best that Italy could do at the time was make a pact with (one of)their opcupathors for freeing some of their regions but a lot of Italians would not accept that fact, they considered for such a pact to be below them. Even were arrogant enough to offend the Macedonians which were their best chance of a partial freedom.
The actual reason for the Macedonian attack over Italy, was the Italian being rash enough to attack Montenegro seeing that it is weaker than them, without taking into account that Macedonia will protect it.
Bro, 80% of what you are saying is wrong. eMkd NEVER tried to help eItaly in that period, and the only reason that they left most of the regions is because eSerbia told them to do so, to get back its bonuses. If there were attempt from eMkd to achieve a "peace with benefits", I can't say that for sure, but no region was released to please italians or help them. eSerbia ruled over you as over us.
eItaly has always been a little country, and probably it will go on to be that, and many eItalians have made big mistakes, broken agreements, tried to achieve freedom anyhow it was possible.
Sincerely eMkd players have shown not less amount of unfair playing, with two take overs, some switch of alliances and such.
ALL COUNTRIES have their faults and made their mistakes. In all countries governements come and go: players remain, and there are players with honor and players with no honor. That's it. Point.
It's true anyway that most Italians call eMkd players Fyromians, because they still remember how eMkd attacked us just because we attacked eMNG (which wasn't in your alliance, but was potentially useful to you too for some resources), and also because most of us, including me, are very good with many greek players. I use the word "MKD" because it has been accepted by both part, so I don't hurt anyone, though sincerely it annoys me to think that every single day I have to read about that discussion.
I fought for eMkd happily in different situations because of many nice and valuable players, not caring that other players from the same nation conquered my country.
And so should do everyone around. Let's stop painting whole countries like evil or selfish. The players are. So, while many countries are being ruled in a selfish way, there's always some outstanding player to respect and support.
If 80% is wrong, which 20% is true?
I could be wrong only about those 2 regions, but i don't think I am.
"peace with benefits"
- Well of course, Macedonia was supposed to get to keep its Italian regions without any problems from (most) Italians, no raising resistance wars or fighting in them or Italian involvement in the ones raised by a 3-th party ets.
"eSerbia ruled over you..." - Nope. Never did, never will.
"Sincerely eMkd players have shown not less amount of unfair playing, with two take overs, some switch of alliances and such."
- PTOs, airstrikes, road trips to Italy and India and more. We were not being unfair, we were having fun 🙂.
I don't think we ever switched alliance or went against a former ally, first.
"ALL COUNTRIES have their faults and made their mistakes"
- True. The biggest problem for countries are some players (groups) that have some attitudes that are harmful for the country itself.
But don't blame Macedonia for the mistakes of Italy.
Macedonians didn't put Italy in a bad position, (some) Italians did.
"It's true anyway that most Italians call eMkd players Fyromians, because they still remember how eMkd attacked us..." - Lots of other countries attacked you, with which most offensive names do you call them?
What's wrong with Macedonia attacking Italy, that's the main point of this game. Y U so mad? 🙂
Again I don't think you grasp the weight of the insult of calling us fyromians.
A lot of nations are in good relations with Macedonians, you don't see them offending Greeks nor see us ask it from them.
Montenegro was an ally of Macedonia. Of course Macedonia used protecting it in its favour to get some regions, why not.
Macedonians was never tyrannic towards Italy, just a bit pissed.
We had regions in the Middle East for a while, we were letting them have congress with no problems if my memory serves me.
Bro... don't "revise" history too much... or you will allow all of us to think that what Greeks blame you for, is true.
Good luck anyway, I hope MKD has a good and happy time in this game.
As you can see I was revising your comment not history, there were some things in it that didn't looked right.
I merely made my point over some things we seem to disagree about.
Good luck to you too. Let's all have some fun, that is what games are for o/
Sooner or later everybody will have to pay for their deeds, whether they like it or not...
o7
ме мрзит да прочитам попосле ќе ја читам ама имаш глас сигурно е добра статијава и си се потрудил 😃
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Poor diplomats seem to be the problem here.
o/
Well written...good job. But don't worry everything gonna change soon. o7
Ti si multi na fantomot be ? 😁)))
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The only one who wants the war to continue is Plato.
I like to troll Greeks just for fun, but it is long past time that we all stopped that silliness.
For a new day in eRep ~_^
its not only Plato ...otherwise the war would be over by now
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mate, read real history, ur article is full of bullsh*t
True, there was no refferendum about the name your country would be called but there was farily large tread on forums that was having poll to decide name.... You don't know about that because you didn't play the game at that time like the rest of Macedonians. I can even tell you how everything got from the start, how it continued and how it ended. Lets say that it took admins a lot more than 1 day poll to decide what to do unlike how voting for Kosovo and Methoija you mentioned at the start...
As for the rest of article... You mentioned some RL stuff and you can get reported for flamming or something and get your article deleted. If you want to change something in game when it comes to your country then change how people who play the game see it in=game vise and not how they see it in RL....
Grcite sekoj den nosat RL fakti vo nasite statii, po komentari, bilo kaj ke stignat. Zosto tie mozat a jas ednas (prv pat dodeka ja igram igrava) ne moze? Kako sekogas nie sme krivi?
Porakata na krajot od tekstot ne si ja razbral izgleda
Rekao sam ti nesto za sta mozes da budes prijavljen i da ti clanak bude izbrisan... Moj stav ti nisam rekao...
A izgleda da nisam ni trebao da komentarisem posto vidim da ni ti nisi shvatio sta sam ja hteo da kazem vec si me napao sa tim pitanjima koja ni ne ticu clanka...
Isto tako nisi mi nista rekao o tome kako je odluceno da ti se drzava zove u ovoj igri tako kako se zove i ko je najvise zasluzan za to. Isto kako vas sada Grci zebavaju tako ste i vi njih zebavali u proslosti. Mislim, koliko tesko moze da bude da shvatite da kako vas vredja rec FYROM da tako i njih vredja rec Makedonija kada se spomene u kontekstu koji vi spominjete.
Da, sfativ, zatoa e i statijava, kako sto kaza, da se smeni nacinot na koj lugeto ja igraat igrava. Citiram: "Only together we can make a better eRepublik"
Sto sakas da ti kazam za nacinot na koj bilo odluceno kako da se vika Makedonija, koga ti ne rece nisto konkretno?
Samiot fakt sto nie bevme dovolno dobri i razumni da im dademe nekolku pati NAP ja pobiva tvojata teza deka i nie sme gi zaebavale grcite.
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I procitaj ja povtorno statijata, ne stanuva zbor samo za imeto Makedonija, tuku za nacionalnost, jazik, tradicija, se sto e Makedonsko, a toa nikade na svetov ne e prifatlivo i e eden akt na neo-nacizam koj se obiduva vo 21 vek da napravi nacionalen genocid na edna drzava.
Citiras: "Only together we can make a better eRepublik" a onda popljujes Grke... Veoma diplomatski....
Ti ili neces ili ne zelis da shvatis neke stvari i kako se sve dogadjalo kada je taj vas problem u pitanju. Bilo kakvo glasanje ili referendum u ovom trenutku bi se svakako lose odrazio po vas....
Kazuvanjeto na vistinski fakti od istorijata (kako sto oni sekogas pravat vo igrava, citaj komentari podole) ne e plukanje, oaven ako ne ti se dopaga taa vistina. Nikoj ne pobara referendum, vo statijata veke napisav sto bilo bilo. Zosto ne citas ubavo?
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"Mislim, koliko tesko moze da bude da shvatite da kako vas vredja rec FYROM da tako i njih vredja rec Makedonija kada se spomene u kontekstu koji vi spominjete."
Its is nowhere near the same.
Let me put it in a very simple manner for you.
Let say your name is John, and that my middle name is John.
I dislike the fact that you call yourself John because I believe that I have some sort of claim over the name, because its my middle name.
Now I decide to call you with some offensive name instead, and not only that but i require for everyone else to use that offensive name as well, including you and all the people that like calling you John.
Do you understand just how insulting and degrading that is?
The name of our country is Republic of Macedonia, we only use the term Macedonia as a shorter way of saying it. Don't you use the name America instead of The United States of America, even though you know that USA is just one of the countries on the continent of America?
The actual Macedonia is a region 3x the size of MKD and 2x the size of the Macedonia, Greece region. Macedonians do not deny that fact by any means.
When second John starts claiming to be son of the the same mother and father then it does become the problem as he is stealing first John identity.
Claiming to be son of the the same mother and father would be a claim that they are brothers, not an identity theft 😃
Using the name, and the claim of heritage are two separate matters.
When the two Johns claim to have the same parents it's OK, everyone should be allowed to have different opinion.
When the one with the middle name behaves like he is the king of the world and says that only his opinion matters and John must obey his holy word and suffer humiliation without a word, THEN YOU HAVE A BIG PROBLEM.
Macedonians have different opinion on multiple subjects with multiple nations, we have never forced anyone to agree with us, nor we have forced a 3-th party that agrees with the other side to say they agree with us.